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"Protesters with the "Occupy" movement won't be setting up camp in Virginia Beach anytime soon. The city rejected the group's application to establish campgrounds at Town Center, Mount Trashmore or the Oceanfront."

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution. The amendment prohibits the making of any law interfering with the right to peaceably assemble.


I don't understand what's so hard to understand about the first amendment. I am in shock.

11/8/2011 8:39:27 PM

It's for public safety.




They didn't want all those people getting sick from eating your pizza.

11/8/2011 8:43:31 PM

fuck yo safety.


freedom4life

11/8/2011 8:45:40 PM

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"WASHINGTON (AP) — Mortgage giant Fannie Mae is asking the federal government for $7.8 billion in aid to covers its losses in the July-September quarter. The government-controlled company said Tuesday that it lost $7.6 billion in the third quarter. Low mortgage rates reduced profits and declining home prices caused more defaults on loans it had guaranteed."

The end is near for the United States.

11/8/2011 8:52:44 PM

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"The end is near for the United States. world"

Fixed it for ya.

11/8/2011 9:23:25 PM

I'm going to write a letter to the US Government to cover my losses from the last quarter of my life. It's only about 10k, I'm sure they can handle it.

11/8/2011 9:25:56 PM

Gotta keep Mount Trashmore pristine

11/8/2011 9:41:57 PM

^^ For real. If they're just handing money out they can handle my loans.

11/8/2011 9:45:40 PM

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"The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution"

good thing you clarified that

for a second there i thought you meant the OTHER first amendment

11/8/2011 9:47:54 PM

^In all seriousness, there are amendments to the first amendment.

11/8/2011 10:01:30 PM

the first amendment doesn't give you the right to "establish campgrounds" in the middle of a city

11/8/2011 11:15:19 PM

^ So it should be straight as long as they go sleep in the comfy beds in their heated homes every night and come back in the morning, right?

I mean, that's pretty much easier for everyone.

11/8/2011 11:22:08 PM

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"the first amendment doesn't give you the right to "establish campgrounds" in the middle of a city"

That seems to be the main argument.

The Bill of Rights says

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Of course, it's not complete without common sense which was applied here:

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"Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), the Supreme Court has held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the First Amendment to each state, including any local government."

the.
right.
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people.
peaceably.
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assemble.


It's clear that restricting location is an unquestionable violation.



[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 11:46:10 PM

It's bullshit.

Mount Trashmore is actually pretty awesome. I'd definitely check it out if they get a permit for there.

11/9/2011 12:13:38 AM

What? the opening post says Virginia Beach denied having it there.

11/9/2011 12:25:07 AM

That doesn't mean it'll never be there.

11/9/2011 1:56:03 AM

So you won't check it out if they go there without a permit?

11/9/2011 2:02:55 AM

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"In all seriousness, there are amendments to the first amendment."

please elaborate. it looks to me like you copied/pasted from wikipedia and omitted parts of the amendment not relevant to your claim

and i think the key word in your overly punctuated post above is peaceably ... judging by the problems that other U.S. cities are having with "Occupy" protestors, I feel like it isn't entirely unreasonable to deny the permit

11/9/2011 12:15:38 PM

Occupy Wall Street Now Occupying Courtrooms With First Amendment Lawsuits

Now that Occupy Wall Street has grown from a handful of demonstrators taking over a Lower Manhattan park to spawn offshoots in cities around the U.S., the movement is now occupying courtrooms.


The young movement has lawyered up and filed lawsuits asserting freedom of speech and assembly in federal courts in Cincinnati, Sacramento, Nashville, Dallas and Atlanta, to name a few places.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/245255/20111108/occupy-wall-street-occupying-court-rooms-amendment.htm?cid=2



WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

11/9/2011 12:16:26 PM

They didn't say they couldn't go there and protest. It just said they couldn't go there and setup a fucking campground on public property.

People are getting tired of this shit.

11/9/2011 12:19:04 PM

Lol "getting tired of this shit"


constitutional rights come before your "getting tired of this shit"

The whole purpose of protesting PEACEFULLY is for you to "get tired of this shit" and make a change.

WE'RE SICK AND TIRED OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BEING TRAMPLED.

11/9/2011 12:27:35 PM

And I'm sick and tired of not being able to go into a park without some unwashed hippies with signs about hemp and some unintelligible shit scrawled on pieces of cardboard plopping up 50 ratty-ass old tents all about and strewing the place with garbage.

My tax money goes to these places so I can enjoy them, not so some small subset of the population can basically set up a squatters tenement there.

You want to go there and protest? Fine, have at it. But it ain't a fucking campground.

^ I think you need to deal with the fact that it isn't a Motel 6 out there.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : *]

11/9/2011 12:30:29 PM

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"And I'm sick and tired of not being able to go into a park without some unwashed hippies with signs"

You are lying.

11/9/2011 12:33:14 PM

Your tax money is already $14Billion in the hole. That we PRIOR to any protests. So don't use that as an excuse.

You don't have a constitutional right to walk in a park "without some unwashed hippies with signs about hemp and some unintelligible shit scrawled on pieces of cardboard plopping up 50 ratty-ass old tents all about and strewing the place with garbage."


Do you see how the protesters will always win. We have the constitution on our side.

11/9/2011 12:33:28 PM

^^ Go take a look at the front lawn of the old courthouse in Charlotte, unless they've drastically cleaned it up.

^ Do you have reading comprehension problems? The point is they can't take it over completely and use it as a campground. They can stay there all they want, WITHOUT the tents. You wanna camp? GO TO A CAMPGROUND.

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"Do you see how the protesters will always win. We have the constitution on our side."

Says the guy who is spending his days overcharging people for pizza.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM. Reason : *]

11/9/2011 12:34:31 PM

public assembly is subject to time/place/manner restrictions.

Supreme Ct. has said as such, on multiple occasions.

11/9/2011 12:36:06 PM

Dictating where you can and cannot assemble at what time is a violation of the first amendment.

11/9/2011 12:36:22 PM

Well then get yourself appointed to the Supreme Court and change it. Or shut the fuck up, whichever is easier.

11/9/2011 12:37:12 PM

sorry, but you're mistaken. ^^

Government entities may make reasonable content-neutral restrictions on the time, place, and manner of a speech or assemblage, even in a traditional public forum.

This action directly affects the rights of assembly, since a government entity may restrict the time and place where an assembly may take place, as well as the manner in which the assembly occurs. The restrictions must be reasonable and narrowly tailored to meet a significant government purpose. The government entity must also leave open ample channels for communication that interested parties wish to communicate.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 12:37:36 PM

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"public assembly is subject to time/place/manner restrictions. Supreme Ct. has said as such, on multiple occasions. "

Freedom speech means freedom of speech. EXCEPT you can't say BOMB in an airport. EXCEPT you can't say FIRE in a movie theater.

Once you put exceptions in there, it ISN'T FREE SPEECH ANYMORE.

Do you see how we have been wronged by the government?!?

11/9/2011 12:38:29 PM

Now you're just being obtuse.

11/9/2011 12:38:52 PM

You know I'm right. I don't know why you're fighting it.


The constitution is the foundation of the country.

11/9/2011 12:39:49 PM

if you're so hell bent on being "right" and "making a change" then get off the internet, go outside, and join your fellow protestors in the effort to "win"

arguing on the internet, special olympics, etc

11/9/2011 12:43:14 PM

GeniuSxBoY you're wrong

we should abide by the ORIGINAL document

I DIDN'T VOTE ON THOSE AMENDMENTS

The FOUNDERS would not let HIPSTERS CAMP OUT on public PROPERTY

11/9/2011 12:45:05 PM

I'm doing my part in the cause by raising awareness to my fellow slighted Americans of TWW.

There are 300,000,000+ people in this country.

It only takes a few in the government to change a policy for 300,000,000.

It takes 300,000,000 to change a policy in the government.

11/9/2011 12:46:20 PM

how many of those 300,000,000 are in government

cuz that makes it sound like a lot less people can change a policy in the goverment

if just a few in the government can change a policy

11/9/2011 12:49:16 PM

All it takes is the president and congress to pass a law. Civics 101.

11/9/2011 12:50:06 PM

you're talking about 536 POLITICIANS

we're lucky they get anything done at all

ever

11/9/2011 12:52:16 PM

so which is it

300,000,000 or a few?

11/9/2011 12:53:31 PM

536 < 300,000,000


I fail to sympathize.

11/9/2011 12:53:43 PM

I changed a policy once

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM. Reason : and I'm only one person]

11/9/2011 12:54:41 PM

I'd be absolutely furious if I was still a citizen of NYC, what with these lazy bastards wasting millions of the city's money and negatively affecting tourism and local businesses. It's also beyond me how trying to construct a shanty town can be the least bit legal.

I agree with the core message, but it's being given a negative spin by all the loonies. Nevermind they're protesting in the wrong location. Go to DC and make yourselves useful.

11/9/2011 12:55:11 PM

k

11/9/2011 12:55:34 PM

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"if you're so hell bent on being "right" and "making a change" then get off the internet, go outside, and join your fellow protestors in the effort to "win" "

This. I got your point at first, geniusxboy, but your arguments since then just lack common sense (I guess this is Chit Chat). Saying that the government is limiting our freedoms because we can't shout "BOMB" at an airport is a pretty amazing claim. I guess you are a big advocate for some kind of bastardized anarchy where we have a constitution, but no government to provide for the public good.

11/9/2011 12:55:40 PM

"k"

i'm beaming, I just beat GeniuSxBoY

11/9/2011 12:57:52 PM

Are we really free?

That is the question.

11/9/2011 12:58:25 PM

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""k" i'm beaming, I just beat GeniuSxBoY "

k

11/9/2011 1:00:02 PM

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"Are we really free? That is the question. "

Yeah... a question I constantly hear from people who advocate for anarchy because the ultimate answer is "we are only free so far as it does not interfere with others' freedom... a boundary that is defined by a representative government of the people." That means that in reality, no... YOU are not really free to do whatever the Hell you want.

But of course you know this already. From your earlier post: "Civics 101."

11/9/2011 1:03:31 PM

people should prob just go back to their lives. the Occupy movement isnt going to accomplish anything other then a bunch of wasted tax money

11/9/2011 1:06:16 PM

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""we are only free so far as it does not interfere with others' freedom... a boundary that is defined by a representative government of the people." That means that in reality, no... YOU are not really free to do whatever the Hell you want."

The constitution is pretty specific of defining these freedoms that shall NOT be infringed in any way, shape, or form. Everything else is fair game.

11/9/2011 1:08:18 PM