http://peppersprayingcop.tumblr.com/

11/22/2011 12:34:30 AM

Finally, an excuse to photoshop while I listen to RATM.

11/22/2011 12:40:01 AM

some duds. some lol's. I give it a 6/10.

11/22/2011 12:59:31 AM

That looks old.

11/22/2011 1:36:57 AM

you can do this.

11/22/2011 1:54:11 AM

11/22/2011 2:00:45 AM

11/22/2011 6:53:05 AM

in this case, like many others, the original is still the funniest

11/22/2011 11:24:02 AM

I can't help but laugh at how neutered our technology has made us. Look at all those jack-asses taking pictures with their phones so they can post on facebook rather than intervening (or more wisely, getting the fuck out of there)

11/22/2011 11:39:11 AM

or documenting for proof of the incident?

11/22/2011 11:40:18 AM

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"rather than intervening "

unarmed civilians intervening against police in riot gear armed to the teeth. That's what you're suggesting rather than documenting evidence as ^ stated. Brilliant.

11/22/2011 11:56:26 AM

a bunch of aznz with cameras

11/22/2011 11:57:58 AM

Clearly they could have yelled "POLICEEEEE!!!" and ran away too.

Actually, that could be pretty funny if people just started doing that for no reason whatsoever in cities across the country to show their disdain for police tactics against non-violent citizens. I'm sure some lol'arity beatings would ensue.



[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 12:03 PM. Reason : l]

11/22/2011 12:01:04 PM

I'm sure that getting hit with pepper spray is a lot more humane than getting pulverized with a baton and then getting dragged off in handcuffs.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ^what, you don't yell "hootie hoo" when you see cops now?]

11/22/2011 12:01:24 PM

Slippery slope fallacy.


just because it's 'more humane' doesn't address the fact that it wasn't justified in the first place.

11/22/2011 12:04:44 PM

I've been pepper sprayed twice (both justifiably) and it stings like a motherfucker.

I couldn't imagine dealing with the pain without the aid of being incredibly intoxicated.

11/22/2011 12:06:24 PM

people aren't going to film the cops warning them to leave a hundred fucking times before they RESORT to using pepper spray

11/22/2011 12:07:02 PM

it's not a fallacy. the cops were tasked with moving the protesters, and they weren't moving. unfortunately, our current society doesn't see anything wrong with letting cops go batshit crazy with pepper spray and tazers. The only reason this is getting so much media coverage is because this stupid movement makes for good news coverage. That, and California loves to hype up police brutality.

Let this happen in the Southeast, and the onlookers would be cheering on the cops and throwing beer cans at the protesters.

11/22/2011 12:09:55 PM

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"just because it's 'more humane' doesn't address the fact that it wasn't justified in the first place."

I disagree. They had surrounded the police, and had been warned many times to let them pass. The cops even showed the pepper spray beforehand, letting them know they were about to get sprayed if they didn't move. Then they got sprayed.

11/22/2011 12:47:55 PM

Pepper spray is the new fire hose.

11/22/2011 12:49:33 PM

hope that hotlinks

11/22/2011 1:24:46 PM

^ lol

11/22/2011 1:37:08 PM

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"I disagree. They had surrounded the police, and had been warned many times to let them pass. The cops even showed the pepper spray beforehand, letting them know they were about to get sprayed if they didn't move. Then they got sprayed."

surrounded in the sense that they were seated on the ground with cops on both sides (look at the pic).

this is essentially how the cop took it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk

so yes, i concede they were surrounded but not in a way that impeded the cop's movements

11/22/2011 1:52:53 PM

Were they told to move? Yes.
Were they warned? Yes.
.....
Profit.

I understand the concept of 'civil disobedience' however at some point you begin to hurt your own cause.

11/22/2011 2:13:08 PM

using civil disobedience is not the only requirement before you get to pepper spray someone in the face

step 1: assess whether someone is being disobedient to the laws
step 2: inform them they are being disobedient if the action is not inherently dangerous
step 3: warn them they will be forcibly removed
step 4: use the force ONLY AS NECESSARY to remove them

if they had only used the minimum force necessary to remove the students this would not be a problem, but they jumped a few steps and went right to pepper spraying. telling the students "i am going to have to place my hands on you but only to remove you, you are not allowed to resist this lawful touching" would have been much more effective from the cop's perspective.

11/22/2011 2:29:00 PM

and then they use the minimum force and the students fight back and provoke a physical confrontation in the heat of the moment. and the occupy dumbasses win either way.


besides, using pepper spray is, essentially, using the minimum force necessary. it softens the fools up so they don't fight as much or as hard when the po-po are arresting them and removing them. by sitting down and locking their arms and being douchebags, the students escalated the situation. period.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 2:30:32 PM

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"if they had only used the minimum force necessary to remove the students this would not be a problem, but they jumped a few steps and went right to pepper spraying. telling the students "i am going to have to place my hands on you but only to remove you, you are not allowed to resist this lawful touching" would have been much more effective from the cop's perspective."

Actually, by your line of thinking, the officers likely took the correct action. For many law enforcement agencies, introduction of chemical irritants falls lower on the use of force continuum than hard hands (forcibly moving the protesters).

11/22/2011 2:43:15 PM

actually by my line of thinking you aren't applying the continuum of use of force for criminal disobedience because this is CIVIL disobedience. if you take absolutely nothing else from this conversation then realize that civil disobedience means "i am telling you right now i will not obey your order to move and i will remain sitting here in a peaceful and nonthreatening manner"

how you get that it will somehow 100% turn into a brawl once the officer places their hands on the person is beyond me, because if that person does so they are operating outside of the movement to act using only civil disobedience.

now you may ask, how does the cop know that this is true for any group of people? the students told them so which means the cops are ignoring those statements and treating the situation as something else without evidence otherwise (for THIS particular group)

the cop was right until he was wrong at which point it's clear he was very wrong. you say if the cop had laid his hand on them they would have erupted into a brawl. their eyes were filled with stinging chemicals and they screamed and how many of them (or other people) laid a single hand on the cops? NOT ONE.

use your head. the cop had all the time in the world to make a judgment because the students were just sitting there. you can't invoke a method of judgment that requires a situation where the police are in immediate danger.

11/22/2011 3:10:02 PM

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"how you get that it will somehow 100% turn into a brawl once the officer places their hands on the person is beyond me"

because that's exactly what's happened at other occupy dumbass protests when the police try to break it up. you think magically these douchebags, who have already escalated the situation, won't be any different? I want some of what you are smoking!

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"because if that person does so they are operating outside of the movement to act using only civil disobedience"

scout's honor! scout's honor!

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"the cop was right until he was wrong at which point it's clear he was very wrong. you say if the cop had laid his hand on them they would have erupted into a brawl. their eyes were filled with stinging chemicals and they screamed and how many of them (or other people) laid a single hand on the cops? NOT ONE."

ITT [user]ThatGoodLuck[/user] thinks that someone who has been pepper sprayed is able to be as combative as someone who has not. The pepper spray was used to promote compliance. And it looks like it worked, for the most part. hell, even after being sprayed, the fuckers were defiant and weren't moving. I guess he just needed to get down on his knees and ask little timmy one more time, right? hey, here's a cookie, please leave now, ok?

11/22/2011 3:14:31 PM

i never said 1) someone who is pepper sprayed is as combative as someone who isn't or 2) pepper spray isn't an effective way to may someone less combative

we're arguing two different things

you still need a reason to pepper spray and not try something more appropriate for the situation in the video outside of "those people elsewhere acted this way". that's such an obvious slippery slope argument. police don't treat criminals as all criminals they've encountered in the past, why treat a single group of protesters any different?

11/22/2011 3:22:02 PM

It's just a few people sitting on a sidewalk. What happened to the ability to just ignore them? Is there a reason that 2 foot wide strip of sidewalk absolutely must be cleared of people?

Spray them in the face and more and more will show up, act like the 10 dudes that showed up aren't even there and soon they'll get bored and go home.

11/22/2011 3:37:17 PM

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"you still need a reason to pepper spray and not try something more appropriate for the situation in the video outside of "those people elsewhere acted this way"."

not really. as someone else stated, pepper spray is probably listed as being lower on the chain of force. that's their damned reason for using it before they resorted to physically removing the people. moreover, if people associated with the same damned movement somewhere else acted a certain way, then you are a damned moron to naively say "well, these guys are different people. maybe they will be nice. yeaaahhh...", especially when these morons are behaving in exactly the same way as the other morons.

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"It's just a few people sitting on a sidewalk. What happened to the ability to just ignore them?"

because they had already ignored other laws, maybe? They didn't get a permit IIRC, they had set up tents despite the fact that that is illegal and they wouldn't remove them. Then they wouldn't disperse when told to do so. Bam, you get arrested. That's how it works. would you want the police to just ignore a group of people who formed a chain around your house and wouldn't let you leave? What is your threshold for where the police should get involved? the police probably would have let everything go if the fuckers had just removed their tents and left, but the morons didn't. they pitched a temper tantrum and sat down. they escalated it, so they got what they had coming to them

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"Spray them in the face and more and more will show up, act like the 10 dudes that showed up aren't even there and soon they'll get bored and go home."

that worked real well in NYC, didn't it. That's what the police did there and next thing you know, you had a damned tent city taking over Zuccotti Park. again, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 3:43:11 PM

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"the students told them so which means the cops are ignoring those statements and treating the situation as something else without evidence otherwise "

wait, you're suggesting that an officer should be compelled to take the word at face value of a group that is willfully disobeying a lawful order? I'd hate to be partnered up with an officer that follows that doctrine.

11/22/2011 3:44:00 PM

yall are fucking up what promised to be a pretty funny thread.

11/22/2011 3:54:14 PM

nothing pryderi posts is usually funny. it's usually just him posting stupid political photos and cartoons that are crap to begin with. why would you expect anything different?

11/22/2011 3:55:52 PM

I would suggest that the cops were not effectively "surrounded" as the guy steps over the line of people in order to be able to pepper spray them in the faces. So justifying the action with "they surrounded the police" is bullshit.

11/22/2011 4:01:24 PM

all i can say is you two have no comprehension of civil disobedience. in your minds "breaking the law is breaking the law". that's ignorant. that's black and white. it ignores history, logic, and the possibility of improvement of our system of democracy by any other method than what you think is right.

i'm not asking you to imagine a bright line, just admit that someone protesting by sitting on the ground does not require a rocket scientist before protocol diverges from the norm. these policemen likely have zero experience dealing with a sit-in protest so they should step back and think before they act and not treat it as they would treat all other situations.

your arguments are made either out of fear or ignorance or something entirely outside of an informed decision. tell me that you're familiar with the protests of gandhi or the civil rights movement and their exact methodology of protest action. then come back with an argument that these students are using a form of protest so far outside the prescribed methods and so unreasonable that it warrants the type of pain that a chemical irritant causes. and do so without mentioning anyone other than the actors involved. these police in the video. these students in the video. i'm not treating you like every person i disagree with on the internet, i'm treating you like someone i disagree on a certain point using the information you've provided and my informed opinion.

11/22/2011 4:04:57 PM

11/22/2011 4:05:44 PM

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"all i can say is you two have no comprehension of civil disobedience."

and neither do you. civil disobedience also says that you accept whatever punishment comes your way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience#Cooperation_with_authorities

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"i'm not asking you to imagine a bright line, just admit that someone protesting by sitting on the ground does not require a rocket scientist before protocol diverges from the norm."

that's fine. too bad their protest involved more than that. which is why the chancellor had them removed. again, the police would have probably ignored the fools if all they did was sit down.

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"then come back with an argument that these students are using a form of protest so far outside the prescribed methods and so unreasonable that it warrants the type of pain that a chemical irritant causes."

you are so stupid it makes my head hurt. pitching a tent wherever you want and refusing to move is not a valid form of protest. at the very least, it's not one that is protected in this country. with that act alone, they've gone beyond the threshold of protest. and then bitching and moaning about pepper spray? like it's some horrible disfiguring thing? it hurts, yes. and it goes away in almost all of the times it's used. We're not talking about cracking skulls. we're talking about the lowest form of police force practically possible. and you are saying that even that is unacceptable. what are the police to do? ask nicely and that's it? well, they did, and these idiots stayed. what now? send the morons a love letter?

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"and do so without mentioning anyone other than the actors involved."

and to do that is to be willfully ignorant of the world around you, especially when these morons are not an isolated group of protestors. that is your first fucking mistake. these guys are specifically part of a larger group. is it your contention that these guys share absolutely nothing in common with any of the other hundreds of occupy dumbass groups across the country? is it your contention that, with these people literally doing exactly the same thing as hundreds of other groups across the country with the same name and same stated goals, with some of those groups turning violent (not even in a different fucking state! hell, not even 200 miles away!), that the police should completely ignore that knowledge? if you are that fucking stupid, then I don't want you anywhere near any position of authority, ever.

11/22/2011 4:13:40 PM

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"pitching a tent wherever you want and refusing to move is not a valid form of protest. at the very least, it's not one that is protected in this country."

What if they painted a protest sign on their tent?

11/22/2011 4:20:43 PM

Boy this thread derailed

11/22/2011 4:23:47 PM

Has anyone done goatse being sprayed?

11/22/2011 4:24:22 PM

im sorry but i think two of your fears will come true
1) these protests like the one in the video will not look favorably on the cop's behavior
and
2) as a lawyer, i will eventually rise to some level of authority, maybe even a representative of a body you are associated with

damn, i just have to ignore people like you when i read posts. you've got to worry about me fucking your irl life with policy decisions. i'd hate to think you were going to be near a courtroom as anything other than a plaintiff or defendant. luckily from our past agreements about bitcoin i know that you don't consider the courts to be part of the "the real world" thus are unlikely to rise to any level of authority over me.

and thats why i can happily walk away from the argument and admit that neither of us are going to serve a purpose by continuing to argue.

11/22/2011 4:28:05 PM

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"all i can say is you two have no comprehension of civil disobedience."

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"and neither do you. civil disobedience also says that you accept whatever punishment comes your way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience#Cooperation_with_authorities"

From the wikipedia link you posted:

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"Some civil disobedients feel it is incumbent upon them to accept punishment because of their belief in the validity of the social contract, which is held to bind all to obey the laws that a government meeting certain standards of legitimacy has established, or else suffer the penalties set out in the law. Other civil disobedients who favor the existence of government still don't believe in the legitimacy of their particular government, or don't believe in the legitimacy of a particular law it has enacted. And still other civil disobedients, being anarchists, don't believe in the legitimacy of any government, and therefore see no need to accept punishment for a violation of criminal law that does not infringe the rights of others."

Did you even read it?

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 4:29 PM. Reason : s]

11/22/2011 4:29:15 PM

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"these protests like the one in the video will not look favorably on the cop's behavior"

of course not. the protestors specifically put the cops in a no-win situation. they could use force and then look like thugs. they could pepper spray the morons and look like thugs. or they could do nothing and allow this shit to continue and probably get fired.

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"as a lawyer, i will eventually rise to some level of authority, maybe even a representative of a body you are associated with"

so, you are a lawyer and don't even understand that you can't pitch a tent wherever you damned well feel like it? no wonder our legal system is so fucked up.

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"luckily from our past agreements about bitcoin i know that you don't consider the courts to be part of the "the real world" thus are unlikely to rise to any level of authority over me."

no wonder you didn't understand my point. you weren't even reading it then.


^ so, are you saying these protestors are trying to overthrow the US gov't? or that they don't see why they can't pitch a tent wherever they damned well please? which part do you say applies to the occupy morons?

11/22/2011 4:33:53 PM

either way, you can't argue with the facts.

1. they were told to disperse, they didn't.
2. they were shown the pepper spray, told they would get sprayed and told to disperse again
3. they got sprayed and then screamed like bitches when they got what they were told was coming to them.

Now, instead of the issues being heard, all that we are discussing is the cop and the protesters. Its a really good thing they sat there and got pepper sprayed, they really furthered the cause.

11/22/2011 6:00:37 PM

^ If the protesters had complied with the officers and left when told, how would that have furthered their cause?



A 'lil ultraviolence ne'er hurt no one.

11/22/2011 6:12:24 PM

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 6:52 PM. Reason : Hope this link works]

11/22/2011 6:51:58 PM

they wouldn't have been crying and screaming about being pepper sprayed, and they would be able to make their voice heard in another manner.

11/22/2011 6:52:33 PM

You don't have to go home, but you can't protest here?

11/22/2011 6:56:00 PM