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I seriously hope no one would look at my stupid ramblings to determine whether or i'm serious, but I'm sorry for those who can't take the Internet for what it's worth. And that's the only serious message anyone should derive from any of my posts. As being the Wolf Web, things aren't meant to be taken seriously in my opinion. If that weren't the case, this seemingly anonymous presence wouldn't exist. I was simply having fun with this site, as I interpret the Internet as a place to have fun. I can partially hide behind my cloak of anonymity to most users, offer differing and majorly negative quips without fear of being judged to the point of it mattering, and even offer a differing opinion that doesn't involve the salty taste of a certain Grayson's balls.

11/30/2011 4:35:45 PM

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fuck yea thats awesome

11/30/2011 4:36:33 PM

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don't be such a jealous girlfriend synapse

seriously, join the club. i'll even spot you $50 on http://www.sharebuilder.com
you get these $5 free trades over time and i have a shit load saved up. dude it's easy. i started with barely over $1k on my first acct. that account is sitting at just over 4k now. yeh that one took over 6 years of work... but you just keep investing in things you feel are important and can make a profit. i have investments in tech (apple among them), energy(even solar firms, i love solar and think its obviously going to kill oil someday and i'm banking a lot on it), and even tesla and their electric cars. we aren't all billionaires. but if you start taking the streets chanting and trying to raise taxes on capital gains and other profits and threaten our way of life it really really gets on our nerves

i'm sure you'd understand

but yeh i'm just a white, racist, fox news, religious, homo-phobe constantly paranoid about everything around me so make sure you don't pay attn to any of this.

you just don't like to admit that the $x i have on the market right now is actually translating into paychecks going to some other family making brilliant products that are shaping our society that we all have a hand in! the beauty of it is i can pull it out at a decent rate and take care of myself when i'm in a jam. kind of like the opposite of a credit card. instead of negative money in a bank it's positive liquid that you don't owe shit too.

but that goes against your way of thinking. b/c of our 'superior' plane you shove us into, we automagically owe you everything. thanks.


oh this isn't my day job. i work as hard as the rest of you assholes, and get 95% of all my cash from slaving away daily like the rest of you. but i dont randomly believe my tuition should be free and some schmucks should just have to front the bill for every lazy asshole in this world. it breeds laziness. and i hate lazy people more than about anything. so yeh. maybe that explains it.

you know how pryderi hates conservatives for some random reason? i'm the same way with lazy assholes who refuse to get shit done.




also i really fucking want this car:


OMG NO WAI. A CONSERVATARD WANTING THAT? NAW MANG

OH and the best part is i have a plan to get one. i put around 5k into tesla and figured 'what the fuck', and that i'd let it grow until i decide i have enough to finance one or buy it. yeh it hasn't grown too much, but it HAS grown. so basically i'm building my own tesla, and fuck you if you dont have the same drive to do the same and want to tear down or tax the system to hell that makes this shit possible.

11/30/2011 4:37:00 PM

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I'm glad you posted this. Before you sell any trees you need to know what you've got.
$3000 for 200 trees is $15 a tree. A small stack of firewood at Harris Teeter is $5.
Does this sound like it might be a good deal?
Prices fluctuate a lot, but looking at just stumpage prices a single pine that size should be worth $40-60. Before the economy went down a tree that size would have brought at least $100.

There are factors that affect stumpage value (what you get paid) such as:

The economy. Current prices are about 25-60% of what they were before the economy started to suck. Prices fluctuate all the time within the larger general price trends. You can hit a high point and actually sell timber for more than what it was worth in a good economy. Consulting foresters are always on the watch for these spikes and can help you sell your timber at the best times.

Short term demand. If a processing facility runs low or if we've run into a period of wet weather (they can't log some tracts when the weather is wet) they'll offer more money. This is basically what creates those short term fluctuations.

Size of your tract. Once the tract gets less than 20 acres the value can decrease. High quality stands (sounds like yours is high quality) are more resistant to decreases. If you're dealing with a logging operation or one that is already logging nearby then size of the tract doesn't matter. It costs a logger time (money) to move from one site to another. If they barely have to move then you shouldn't see hardly any decrease.

Distance to a mill. The farther they have to haul the wood the more it costs them in time and fuel. Most of the time this isn't a big factor when you're talking about pine sawtimber.
Where is this tract anyway?

What the fuck you know. If you don't know wtf you have then he's not going to give you much money. Pretty obvious, but people often don't realize how little they know. You're smarter than that because you started this thread.
Generally speaking, if a buyer knows that you've dealt with timber sales in the past you'll get offered more. If a consulting forester is involved then the price you're offered is going to jump up 25-50% right off the bat. Often times we see the prices jump up many times over.

What you need to do
-Like others have said, contact the NCFS county office in whatever county the land is in:
http://ncforestservice.gov/contacts/contacts_main.htm

-Call the county office and tell them you were offered money for some timber. They'll want to know where it's at. Ask them to give you a management plan for all the timber on the property. You'll want that so you can plan ahead and know when you need to harvest your timber. They'll give you their recommendations, which will probably be to harvest at least those old trees. They'll also give you a list of consulting foresters, timber buyers, and info on selling timber.

-Read the management plan. Seriously, read it.

-Pick a consultant. Ask them which consultants work in that area and ask which ones they've had good experiences with. They can't tell you which one to pick because it's our policy, but they will hint to the ones that are good. It's generally better to pick a consultant that's local.

-Let the consultant handle the timber sale. They'll charge you 5-10% of the sales price, but that's ok because you're going to make a lot more money anyway and you'll have much less of a headache letting the consultant handle it.

-Once they start logging then contact the county office again and ask them to do a logging inspection. This is important if you have streams on your land. If they screw up a stream and leave the site you could be stuck with fixing the problems. A good consultant will handle the water quality issues for you. Also, a consultant will draw up a good sales contract that puts the water quality responsibilities back on the logger.

-After the logging is done have the consultant handle the reforestation or call the NCFS and let them know you want a reforestation plan for that area. If it needs to be replanted then the consultant or NCFS will get you an application for our Forest Development porgram that pays for part of the reforestation.


Some other info...
-In NC there are registered foresters that have passed the NC Board of Registration for Foresters test. A consulting forester or a service forester (me and others with the NCFS) works for you. There are registered foresters that work for timber buyers. You need to be aware that being a registered forester doesn't exactly tell you which side of the fence the forester is on. Some foresters on the timber buying side will try to convince you that they're on your side since they are a registered forester. Just keep that in mind.

-The money you make on a timber sale is taxed as long term capital gains. Don't report it as regular income unless you like paying more taxes for no reason. The money you pay the consultant can be taken out of the sales price so you don't get taxed on that part.

-It's easier to manage most land that is clearcut harvested. If the logger you were talking to only wanted the big trees and wanted to leave the small ones then it might not be a good thing. If he leaves crappy small trees then once those grow bigger you'll just have crappy big trees that aren't worth much. If they cut all all the trees down then you can reforest the area with good seedlings.

-You can pay less in property tax for forestland (NC Forestry Present Use Tax Valuation Program). To do this you need at least 20 acres of forestland and you need a management plan. If the land isn't already taxed at the forestry rate then once you get that plan, bring it to the tax office and apply for the forestry present use tax.

Edited to add some more stuff...
It sounds like you might not have a lot of land with trees that are ready to harvest. A management plan from the NCFS will help you figure out what can be sold.
If it ends up that you don't have much area to harvest then sometimes it can be hard to get a consulting forester to handle the sale. A consultant in this case might want a flat fee for handling the timber sale or may want you to enter into a contract for them to help you with future timber sales. At the very least you could also get a consulting forester to cruise your timber and give you an estimate on the value then handle the sale yourself.
Most likely you should be able to find a consultant because they're hungry for work in this economy, but if you can't get a consultant that's fine too. You can deal directly with loggers. In this case you should call a few timber buyers off the list the NCFS should send you. Get a couple of offers to see if you can get a price that's closer to what the consultant valued the timber at.

If you have more questions feel free to ask me or the NCFS (if you ask me you are technically asking the NCFS )

11/30/2011 4:38:31 PM

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11/30/2011 8:20:19 PM

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11/30/2011 8:21:08 PM

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Give me any odds of what you think synapse existing is.

Let's do something large.

Let's do something like....

"There's a 1 out of 1x10^10 chance."

That means there's a one in ten billion chance of synapse existing.

Is that not rare enough for you? Okay. Let's do 1 out of 1x10^15. That's a one in one quadrillion chance.

Based on observations from the Hubble Space Telescope, there are at least 125 billion galaxies in the universe.

It is estimated that at least ten percent of all sun-like stars have a system of planets, there are 6.25×10^18 stars with planets orbiting them in the universe.

If even a billionth of these stars have planets supporting life, there are some 6.25×10^9 (billion) life-supporting planetary systems in the universe.

6,250,000,000.

Now, what are the odds that NONE of these have any sign of synapse on them?

11/30/2011 8:27:01 PM

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I feel like a decent percentage of new users (like myself) originally signed up wanting to utilize tww's classifieds section - a place that, unlike craigslist, that wasn't free for just anybody to use.

The problem is that people are chased off within their first 5 posts by people that can't restrain themselves from being "insert negative state of being here" to anybody and everybody they don't agree with. Krallum is an example of that - his band practices next to one of mine (or did, i haven't seen him recently) and one day we came face to face - he knew full well I had every right to 'insert graphic violence here" for all the crap he's said to / about me here...

Now maybe this is a mole hill / mountain thing, I'm guilty of it from time to time, but I would submit that tww has lost perspective and is entirely too tolerant of what I would term as 'get your ass kicked'(office space) comments, and that maybe the mods should reign it in some (not that you aren't doing a great job already) at least in the serious forums like The Garage (I will NEVER ask for advice there again), TSB ( I would LOVE to have a discourse on this or that but TSB is a viper pit that would have me popping prozac by the end of the day), and Classifieds (where you'll be ridiculed for asking a fair price AND have your sexual orientation questioned within 10 posts no matter what you are selling / wanting to buy). I'm just thinking out loud here and don't want anyone (except Krallum) to feel called out.

12/11/2011 1:40:31 PM

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cool topic bruh

12/11/2011 1:45:29 PM

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12/11/2011 1:48:20 PM

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Husband, Father of 4, Author, LinkedIn connector, Sales 2.0 / Web 2.0 / New Media guru, Email Marketing virtuoso at Delta Apparel, Owner of Hyer Media, LLC

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

12/11/2011 1:49:19 PM

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fuck all of you, I am living the dream while you scramble to kiss your boss's ass in your corporate 8-5 grind, pay for your inflated value homes, your ridiculously priced cars, and your stupid, ugly children.
I have $0 debt and all the time in the world to do my thing...it's been what I want to do since I was a kid...doesn't matter whether it's GOOD, I have won by simply doing what I love, you can't troll that away from me.

1/10/2012 10:04:20 PM

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HAHA U FUNNY

1/10/2012 10:27:35 PM

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Settlololololdown

1/10/2012 11:37:28 PM

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hey Saddamizer, why dont i just suspend you so i dont have to remove the shit i dont want to see?

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1/10/2012 11:41:40 PM

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i realize that most of the ppl mentioning me in this thread are fuckface douchnozzles that don't deserve a response, but I do have this to say: If you can't take the heat from a part-time user like myself, you need to log off. I have had many twwers come at me, been suspended a few times, but whatever I am guilty of is trivial compared the mean spirited, spammy, repost-laden bullshit you fulltime-faggots spew ALL DAY. Out of all the ppl you are mentioning, only EMCE and I have our original screen names - for good reason, they're creepy toolbags that refer to themselves in the 3rd person while acting e-tuff, but turn out to be fucking cowards in real life when faced with the possibility of getting their their ass beaten down in front of their bitch friends who wouldn't stand up for them if they begged, because their friends know just as well what a shitty person they are.
You are fucking pathetic scum - you need to understand, all of you, that what you do here is NOT anonymous, it is NOT without consequence, anyone that thinks differently is fooling themselves...the freedom of speech you have here is being abused and the world WILL catch up to you one day.

[Edited on January 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM. Reason : I smiled writing that btw the whole way through]

1/23/2012 9:54:03 AM

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Santorum's name doesn't actually mean that; Dan Savage created the definition and got it to be the #1 hit on Google when you search for his name. Said he would take it down if Santorum donated $ to gay rights or something.

1/23/2012 9:55:46 AM

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synapse is pretty cool. i bought a lot of dvd cases from him. i don't know what's going on in here.

1/23/2012 12:10:15 PM

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1/23/2012 12:12:01 PM

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I realize this thread is about ramblings, specifically from synapse, and the intent to have fun by posting those ramblings, though sometimes these ramblings come at the expense of others and has apparently brought about some issues for which an explanation was brought forth through another rambling yet no apology was provided for all the rambling, just more talk about how the internet is serious business ಠ_ಠ, but I'm rambling now...anyway please hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of March 2012. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

1/23/2012 1:32:07 PM

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Before my long spiel, I should mention that the part on your work after you started using u' and du' is wrong: The antiderivative of e^f(E), where f(E) is some arbitrary function of E, is not generally (1/f'(E))e^f(E), even though it is true that the antiderivative of f'(E)e^f(E) is e^f(E).



First consider the transformation E=x^2/2.29; then the limits remain the same, 1.036E=(518/1145)x^2, sinh(sqrt(2.29E))=sinh(x), and 0.453E dE=(453/1145)x^2 dx.

Then the integral becomes the integral from 0 to +infinity of (453/1145)x^2*e^(-(518/1145)x^2)*sinh(x) dx.

--------Begin Failed Solution Attempt--------
Then in integration by parts, let u=sinh(x) and dv=(453/1145)x^2*e^(-(518/1145)x^2) dx.

Then du=cosh(x), and to find v, do another integration by parts, letting U=x and dV=(453/1145)x*e^(-(518/1145)x^2) dx.

Then dU=dx and V=-(453/1036)e^(-(518/1145)x^2).

Therefore, v=-(453/1036)x*e^(-(518/1145)x^2)+(453/1036)Int(e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt,0,x).

Then our original integral is lim(uv,x->+inf)-(uv)(0)-Int(v du,0,+inf), so keeping in mind that u=(1/2)e^x-(1/2)e^-x...
...hmm, I see a problem, it looks like one of the terms will go off to infinity!

Notice that one term will be sinh(x)*(453/1036)Int(e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt,0,x), in the limit as x->+inf; by the relationship at the top, the right factor becomes a finite positive number, but the left factor becomes infinite.

This must mean that I have a problem with my method, because as you can imagine, sinh(k*sqrt(E)) for constant k grows asymptotically as quickly as e^sqrt(E), which is more slowly than e^(-1.036E) reaches 0; then their product reaches 0 as quickly as e^-E, which is faster than E grows, in fact so quickly that the whole integrand also reaches 0 in exponential time, so the integral should be finite.
--------End Failed Solution Attempt--------

Let's go back to the step where u=sinh(x) and dv=(453/1145)x^2*e^(-(518/1145)x^2) dx; instead let's try u=x*sinh(x) and dv=(453/1145)x*e^(-(518/1145)x^2) dx.
Then du=sinh(x)+x*cosh(x) dx and v=-(453/1036)e^(-(518/1145)x^2).
Then the antiderivative is -(453/1036)x*sinh(x)e^(-(518/1145)x^2)+(453/1036)int(sinh(t)e^(-(518/1145)t^2)+t*cosh(t)e^(-(518/1145)t^2),0,x).

Now for the first term in that "int"-egral...letting U=e^(-(518/1145)t^2) and dV=sinh(t) dt, dU=-(1036/1145)t*e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt and V=cosh(t), so the antiderivative becomes cosh(x)e^(-(518/1145)x^2)+(1036/1145)int(t*cosh(t)e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt,0,x).
Now for the second term in that same "int"-egral...letting w=cosh(t) and dz=t*e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt, dw=sinh(t) dt and z=-(1145/1036)e^(-(518/1145)t^2), so the antiderivative becomes -(1145/1036)cosh(x)e^(-(518/1145)x^2)+(1145/1036)int(sinh(t)e^(-(518/1145)t^2) dt,0,x).

If we denote 1036/1145 by k, then the second sentence means "so the antiderivative becomes -(1/k)cosh(x)e^(-(k/2)t^2)+(1/k)int(sinh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x)" and the first sentence means "so the antiderivative becomes cosh(x)e^(-(k/2)x^2)+k*int(t*cosh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x)" (to make it all cleaner).
Now there is one more integration by parts to do; if W=cosh(t) and dZ=t*e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt, then dW=sinh(t) dt and Z=-(1/k)e^(-(k/2)t^2), so that integral becomes -(1/k)cosh(x)e^(-(k/2)x^2)+(1/k)int(sinh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x).
Substituting back, some terms cancel out in "the first sentence" to yield just the innermost integral, int(sinh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x); then adding that to "the second sentence" yields the entire expression in that "int"-egral that I referred to earlier: -(1/k)cosh(x)e^(-(k/2)t^2)+(1+1/k)int(sinh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x).

Now wrapping up all the integrations by parts and back-substitutions so far, the antiderivative is
-(453/1036)x*sinh(x)e^(-(k/2)x^2)-(1/k)cosh(x)e^(-(k/2)t^2)+(1+1/k)int(sinh(t)e^(-(k/2)t^2) dt,0,x); this last unresolved integral does not appear amenable to integration by parts, and I don't quite know how to attack it, but when you evaluate the limit as x->+inf, that becomes finite. As for the two terms outside the integral, a similar asymptotic analysis shows that they go to 0 as x approaches 0 or +inf, so really what you're left with is (1+1/k)int(sinh(x)e^(-(k/2)x^2) dx,0,+inf), whatever that is.


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2/7/2012 10:13:54 PM

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I don't do it for the money, I do it for the love, and I do it because writing a song for me is ridiculously, ridiculously easy. I genuinely feel bad for people in cover bands and wedding bands that have to play such monotonous, redundant crap on a nightly basis, and the people that enjoy it.
Music hit a speed bump when the internet gave it wings to expand it's purview but soon enough SOPA and others will have their way with the entertainment industry and make fresh new music a scarce commodity, performers of which will be in higher demand and smaller numbers, what with all cover bands being dubbed as criminals the moment they step on stage.

3/1/2012 12:31:51 PM

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EMCE hates me boo fucking hoo
his face is a modern art masterpiece the way it's all smeared on one side like his head was too soft when he was born.
this type of thread goes against a few rules of the forums, he's been asked not to initiate personal attacks, he really is a piece of work. you'd think he runs this bitch. you'd think he doesn't respect the owner of the site, or his ideals for a moderator. he even made veiled threats to suspend me.
I love that. obviously I let my premium lapse, this is one of the reasons. a whole bunch of adults being moderated by a maladjusted, sad little man with less e-game than dnl. you make me sick, bruh.

3/8/2012 4:47:25 PM

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we start jumping and then along with it go "ooooooooooooo" and get louder like "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" and then switch to "PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOO PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOOOOOOOO! POWER PACK! POWER PACK! BACK THE PACK!" and then play a loud rockin rap song or somethin. i think it would get things crazy.

3/8/2012 4:48:52 PM

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i love how you guys get geared up for the big event of destroying my self esteem or whatever.
it really did take me 3 bowl hits and 15-20 minutes
the snare is default actually - because it's a draft. i can snares anytime, i was just lazy. kick drum and clap are also default. why would i give away a finished product to a bunch of known thieves?

3/8/2012 4:50:18 PM

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3/8/2012 4:52:23 PM

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3/8/2012 4:59:02 PM

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so synapse doesnt love Outback Steakhouse?

3/8/2012 5:02:29 PM

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you do realize you're only giving my songs extra plays, right?
you also realize I am fine with you advertising for me, right?

3/8/2012 5:54:09 PM

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so all my advice trying to better your vegas travels made me feel like i was sitting in a tower

so i tried to throw a bone and agree with a suggestion for bills

didnt know anything about it

got called on it

stopped caring about helping you dumb dummies LIVE

will gladly continue going to FUN places in vegas that don't smell like VOMIT and THE POOR, knowing I'll never run into any of YOU BONERS

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HOW MUCH WEIGHT IF 20 ON THE FLOOR IS LIKE 10 FOR MAN

HOW MANY LBS

3/8/2012 7:07:56 PM

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I'm not posting this to debate, I'm posting it for the people coming in a reading this because I think people need to see P90X for what it is.


There is nothing special about this program, at least not in regard to what exercise scientists, personal trainers, nutritionists, well informed workout enthusiasts, etc. know about this stuff. As whoever the guy above said, there's nothing magical about it. That being said, the program isn't really for the aforementioned people.

Before I ever even heard of P90X, i knew and understood it's building blocks. I see stuff like Body by Vi or whatever, and without really knowing much about it can tell you why it worked for whoever it I see posting on FB about how they lost weight using it and it's wonderful, magical, blah blah blah. They created a big calorie deficit by limiting the calories they consumed and burning calories by working (even simply running a bunch). If you do that... you'll lose weight.. every time, whether it's body by vi or body by Steve the guy with the creeper stache who hangs out on the corner.

P90X is mostly intended for people who don't really understand the foundations of nutrition and exercise science. It's "open a small booklet, read it, pop in a dvd, mimic it like a monkey, eat what the little book says... and you see results." And if you do those things, you will see results because the fundamentals are there. And don't get me wrong, it will work for anyone. But there may be little things here and there that someone very informed would do differently.. and that's OK. If you understand the fundamentals of what you're doing, making adjustments is not a big deal.

But if you don't, and the reason you're buying or using something like P90X is because you want to lose weight, get into better shape, etc. and haven't been successful with your own attempts (programs), you're not giving the program or yourself a fair shot by not following it. That's including saying "I don't really like the kenpo x, so I'll just skip it." If you don't like something, at least try to understand why it's in there and replace with something else.

If you follow just the diet, you'll see some results because the diet will help you create a calorie deficit.

If you do just the exercise part and not the diet, you'll see some results.

If you do only the lifting days and the diet, you'll see results.

and so on.

If you do the full program, and follow the nutrition guide... most people will see their best potential results without ever over training.


As for the over training bit... I mean, you could overtrain doing almost any routine if you don't know what you're doing. P90X is, for the most part, a 3 day weight lifting routine split across 6 days with cardio on the in-between days. That's not extremely likely to cause "over training" in the sense talked about here imo. The main goal of those non-lifting workouts are cardiovascular health and getting you to burn calories and create a calorie deficit so you cut that fat you want to get rid of.

I'm not saying that over training doesn't exist and isn't detrimental to reaching a goal... but I, personally, think over training is not a big risk with this program. Again, 3 days of lifting interspersed with 3 days of cardio/calisthenics/flexibility work Not exactly a crazy routine. Although, you should try to gain an understanding of your body and learn to tell if you're going to hard, need more rest, not pushing yourself hard enough, etc.

3/8/2012 7:10:19 PM

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I seriously hope no one would look at my stupid ramblings to determine whether or i'm serious, but I'm sorry for those who can't take the Internet for what it's worth. And that's the only serious message anyone should derive from any of my posts. As being the Wolf Web, things aren't meant to be taken seriously in my opinion. If that weren't the case, this seemingly anonymous presence wouldn't exist. I was simply having fun with this site, as I interpret the Internet as a place to have fun. I can partially hide behind my cloak of anonymity to most users, offer differing and majorly negative quips without fear of being judged to the point of it mattering, and even offer a differing opinion

3/8/2012 7:12:09 PM

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WOW...


Completely speechless... USA chant = racism? Dumbfucks who take offense for said chants... OH FUCK IT, Just fucking kill all of them stupid fucks and be done with it.

I do like how the tv crew picked three kids to interview and ONE OF THEM IS A FUCKING WHITE GIRL?!?! "Tell how you feel being oppressed as a white girl from awful awful chants of 'USA'"...


God damn.



I'm just gonna go to the next sports event and just shout

HUMANS!

HUMANS!

HUMANS!



Although that might be dickish if its a man vs. beast kind of sport.

3/8/2012 7:17:38 PM

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so.....Joie......where are the ass pics?

3/8/2012 7:19:07 PM

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reminded me of v, replace Kobe with Joie

3/8/2012 7:22:37 PM

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Having been banned by OP because the OP got offended over an internet joke, I don't believe for one minute that he doesn't take the internets and Twws seriously.

3/8/2012 7:38:02 PM

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For a guy who goes by Geniusboy you're pretty slow.

3/8/2012 8:09:07 PM

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I'm not particularly sure what the point of this thread is. You know that I read TDub and had to realize that I would see this thread.

Well congratulations on doing something you said you'd never do: air our dirty laundry out in public.

Well, let's air some fucking dirty laundry.

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Events as I saw them: (Set for TWW)

We're in the kitchen, I'm going to make some fried rice with the rice you brought home. I start cooking the oil and garlic, throw in the rice and immediately start realizing the error that I could ever fry rice in a non-nonstick pan. In the middle of realizing I'm turning some OK rice into a glutinous ball of crap, you ask me if I was putting any vegetables in, I answer no. You recommend a bag of frozen peas, to which I (some begrudingly because I'm in the middle of trying to salvage this rice) grab the bag out of the freezer, throw some peas into the colander and turn the hot water on.
Realizing that I can't cook the rice and defrost those peas at once, I ask you to come up and help. Now all the fucking rice is sticking to the pan and I'm having to fight it.

You then ask: "Is that enough?"

I reply: "I need them fully defrost, I need them hot" -Here's where it gets murky, you say I said this and was "giving you lip." I don't deny that I had a tone in my voice, as stated before I was in the middle of fucking up some rice and not happy with myself.

You clarify: "No, is that enough peas, as in quantity?"

I realize: "Yeah, that's fine." - I've now realized the original gist of your question and in my mind the situation is over, we misunderstood each other at once, and now we're back on the same page.

At this point you hand me the colander, I dump the peas in and go back to trying to salvage the rice. You take the bag of the rest of frozen peas and while walking behind me say something to the effect of "Well, you didn't have to say it with a tone."

Mind you this is 30-45 seconds post misunderstanding. I've already well moved on from the whole thing, shelving it as a misunderstanding.

I feel backstabbed...literally, you said it behind my back, not to my face. I had no idea it was coming and felt that it was a completely un-called for thing to say.

I lost my temper and yelled at you in your face "I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY."

That was wrong and I admit it. I shouldn't have yelled at you and have already tried to apologize for this. Again, see it in writing. I am sorry.

You throw the bag of peas at me and run out of the room.
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So there you go TDub, that is as unadulterated as I can get it. There's the first bit of dirty laundry, here's the next:

My thoughts:

I felt completely betrayed with the comment about "saying it with a tone." What I thought was simple misunderstanding was instantly escalated with a comment I feel was undeserved and unfair.

I came into the room where wolfpackgrrr was hiding out from me and told her that if I had meant to say it with a tone, I would have been using a tone long before the misunderstanding and long after it.

Me losing my temper was wrong.

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So there you go Tdub, a drama bomb over some dumbfuck peas and rice.

I'm not interested in judgement or anyone's opinions. I just thought that if we're going to air out laundry, to make sure it's fully aired out.

When my wife reads this in the morning, I want her to know that I love her very much and that I don't want to continue this fight tomorrow.

4/27/2012 11:52:12 PM

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^god damn bo' answer your texts yadig?

4/28/2012 12:03:02 AM

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Cell towers pull in several thousand a month in rent (assuming they're got a good number of tenants) but that's not what they're going to pay you to lease your land. If you tell them you want thousands of dollars a month they will go somewhere else unless you're in a hot area and their last resort (you probably aren't). I would see them paying a couple thousand a month in an area of Cary with something of a dead zone, and unless you're in a similar area I'd only expect a modest increase over what they've already offered. A thousand a month is the max I'd expect them to pay anywhere that isn't an incredibly under-served or very urban area.

For the long-term, consider that the tower may have to be modified or reinforced over its life span, so from time to time there may be small construction crews on-site performing various types of work on the tower (with varying levels of noise). This would only be for (at most) a few weeks at a time and hopefully only once a year at most (and only several years after the tower is built, assuming this carrier can even get the tower to max capacity). I would consider asking the company how many carriers the tower will be built to support. I would expect an answer of 4-6 if it's a big tower company like American Tower or Crown Castle. They will probably inspect the tower every 4-8 years and perform annual maintenance on it in the form of changing out light bulbs and strobe lamps (the tower they want to build is over 200 ft tall, which I think is the FAA minimum for lighting up a tower). They will likely leave you alone and I recommend finding a spot on your property where they can enter and exit without disturbing you (i.e. don't give them a driveway easement that runs right past your house). From time to time the company's field operations technicians may be on-site with a possible tenant to do a site walk and determine if they have space for the tenant in their leased compound area, if there's room on the tower, etc.

The initial lease they offer you may only be for X years, but they will probably come back regularly and renew this lease so look at it as a very long term thing. See if there are provisions in the lease to scale up the rent they pay you over time based on various economic factors. The company I work for has tower leases going back to the 1940s (the old AT&T long lines towers that were supposed to survive indirect nuclear blasts) and we're still paying people and renewing leases. Terrestrial communications towers aren't going anywhere, and demand has only increased as these higher bandwidth 4G systems apparently don't quite have the range of the older cellular technologies (so more towers are needed). Once you have a tower built, that land becomes very valuable to the company because rebuilding a tower isn't cheap and the interruption in service will piss off your tenants. Don't think that you can then strong-arm them when your lease is up as they will probably tear down the tower and rebuild it a few hundred feet away on an adjacent property and you'll lose your rent income. Many jurisdictions are and will be bigger and bigger pains about getting towers built and keeping them built or replacing them depending on where you are.

I think asking for some minor concessions wouldn't be ridiculous like asking for some basic landscaping around the tower site to improve its appearance. You may even be able to ask them to build a more opaque fence around the tower compound so you don't have to see it (a wood fence, a chain link fence with that plastic sheeting just so you can't see in, whatever). If they won't do it, consider planting some screening plants around the tower just so you can't see it as clearly from your house. The tower itself will be kind of an eyesore. Make sure it's not too close to your house. Keep it much farther away than the fall zone, I mean this thing is 260'x26' or so and it's going to be rather intimidating if it's easily visible from the house. Make sure to check and see whether they are planning on extending the tower beyond its 260 ft height one day and plan accordingly (e.g. plant some taller-growing trees between you and the tower ).

If you're curious what the hell might be going there, it will probably look something like this:

http://www.rohnnet.com/files/SSV.jpg - These towers are about 300' tall I think.

http://www.hhvrtowers.com/images/Tower.jpg - This is a design used by Pirod. They're now owned by Valmont, but the legs on this one look a little different.

It probably won't look like this:

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8001/7529101344_1ecdba9208.jpg - Unless your property is near the peak of a mountain or sizable hill I wouldn't expect it to look like this. A lot of towers my company has in California end up looking like this.

http://www.freefoto.com/images/04/23/04_23_93---Microwave-Communication-Tower_web.jpg - You may see some towers like these around. This is not what they're building on your property, I can almost guarantee it.

Ask away with any more specific questions you might have. I'm a structural engineer that works with these types of towers every day, quite possibly for the company that is looking to build on your land. To answer the most obvious structural-related questions you might have: The tower will be designed to a building standard that will keep the tower safe with something like a 700-1200 mean recurrence interval storm. If you're in central north carolina, it's probably designed to withstand 90 mph gusting wind speeds (this is a 50 year mean recurrence interval) with a factor of safety of 2-4. The only thing that would knock it down would be a tornado (and no there's no economical way to build them to withstand those forces). A hurricane is extremely unlikely to be a problem, even a very strong one as towers in hurricane regions are designed with enhanced factors of safety (the building codes take this into account by increasing the design wind speeds). As was previously mentioned, there's usually a fall zone associated with a tower like this that you'll be staying out of (you could probably farm the land adjacent to the tower but I wouldn't recommend building permanent structures next to it even if they let you). You should be aware that there's a very low risk of attracting vagrants with a tower on your property because they'll jump the fence and steal the grounding wires, so if possible I recommend you keep your property wooded or fenced all around, especially at the access road leading up to the tower (might be good to ask the cell company to put a locking gate at the entrance to the tower to discourage this sort of thing).

If you're curious just how big the things they're putting on that tower will be, the new 4G panels are usually about 8'x1'x0.5' (some are 2' wide, taller, shorter) and they will probably put 3-12 of these at each elevation where a tenant will be installed. They'll space them about ten feet apart, and they will mount these panels on frames that are about 12.5' wide and 3' deep. They'll put one frame per leg. There will probably be one carrier on the tower to start and maybe two more to follow within a few years. More carriers will follow in time if you're near a population center or interstate highway. There's a possibility that they will be expanding their leased ground space over time which could get you more money, but that's many years down the road (and I'd guess the tower they build will have plenty of extra capacity and room in the compound to match).

Bear in mind I'm providing this information unofficially to do whatever you want with it, but I'd imagine it's more information than what the cell company has provided you thus far. I'm not providing this as official advice from my company if you just so happen to be speaking with them (because I'm not going to sugar coat it where they might).

8/2/2012 7:32:59 AM

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any recent rants that deserve to be added to this fine thread?

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Oh wow. This should be fun. Where to begin...

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"you're either a shill or a troll because the only other possibility is that for the last 5 or so years I've been streaming media to my TV, I've just had other bad products off the line repeatedly"


Or another possibility could be that I've tried out more than just a video game console and a defective Apple TV before deciding that the only other thing that half-assed worked must be the best thing evar by default.

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"first i had a ps3 and I had to either make sure video files were formatted correctly or were native in the proper format for it to play"


The PS3 is a video game console first, a blu-ray player second, and a media streaming device a far distant third. You won't get any argument from me that it's a steaming pile of shit.

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"second i got an apple tv with the sole intention of jailbreaking it so it could run as a media center only to have the wifi drop out continuously or run sluggishly whenever fast forwarding or rewinding."


You obviously had a bad Apple TV, and should have returned it. I've had 2 ATVs for myself, 2 for my parents, and one for my sister, jailbroke them all, and never experienced anything like what you described.

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"the roku's usb functionality is basic? it plays everything you throw at it! I never have to format even 1080p bluray rips. I can have the idea "I want to watch x..." and 2 seconds later I can be watching it on the Roku and through PS3 and aTV, there was an entire process and/or other hardware involved."


Off the top of my head, here's a list of things wrong with the Roku's USB playback:

*The UI for the file selection is horrible. You can only see, I think, 4 items at a time, and only the first ~20 characters of the file name are displayed. So if you have a folder with Showname.720p.s01e01, Showname.720p.s01e02, etc, it cuts them all off to Showname.720p.s01... and makes it impossible to determine which episode you want to select.

*Speaking of the UI, it's just ugly. There's no customization, there's no view options, and there's certainly nothing even close to fancy features like scraping metadata and show/movie information off the internet and displaying dvd covers/movie posters for saved files. Like I said, it's just very basic.

*It doesn't mark the content that you've watched in any way.

*It doesn't allow you to delete files from the USB stick when you're done watching them.

*There's no resume feature when playing back a movie you've watched a portion of.

*There's no way to see the file when you're fast forwarding. Seriously, every media device made since the dawn of time lets you see things going in fast forward or rewind, but the Roku just throws up a black screen, and a timeline at the bottom. That wouldn't be so horrible if you know that you want to fast forward to 22 minutes in a movie, but if you just want to scan something quickly to look for a particular scene, it's impossible.

*There's also no way to jump large amounts of time. If you're watching a movie that's 2 hours and 30 minutes, and you even bothered to remember that you stopped it at 1 hour 45 minutes, there's still no way to get to that spot again unless you fast forward 3x to that point, which takes a good 30 seconds or more. There's no reason why they couldn't make one of the buttons jump forward 10 minutes at a time.

*Nitpicky, but I get annoyed that over half the buttons on the Roku remote will stop playback of a file. Seriously, hitting a direction on the d-pad stops the video for some reason. If you have a small child that likes to play with remotes, or you accidentally lay the remote on the couch and sit on it, it's FAR too easy to accidentally stop a movie from playing. Combined with the previous 3 items, this gets annoying far too often.

*If by "everything you throw at it" you mean "only H.264 mp4s or mkvs" then you might be right. Everything else is a crap shoot. Up until not too long ago, the most popular file format for sharing movies was divx/xvid avis. The Roku simply won't play those. One of the shows I watch is still only uploaded to the internet in divx format, so I have to convert it if I want to watch it on the Roku. And hey, lets just completely forget that WMV, MOV, MPG, FLV, or ASF files exist, right?

*It only does passthrough of AC3 audio. Which means unless your TV can handle decoding AC3(most don't), or you're hooked up to a receiver/soundbar, you won't get any sound coming from those blu-ray rips of yours. Which might be fine if you DO have a receiver that does AC3/DTS, but if you want to take your Roku over to a friends house and all he has is a normal TV, you're going to be having silent movie night.

So yes. I'd consider that basic. If I'm being nice. You can get one particular format of movies you've got stored on a USB drive to show up on your TV most of the time, and that's about it. Sometimes they even have audio too, so I suppose that's a bonus. Pretty much the definition of the word basic though.

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That confirms my suspicions then. You've tried to get a game console to do something it wasn't designed to do, had bad luck with an Apple TV when you tried to get it to do what it wasn't supposed to do, and then you've stumbled onto a Roku and it looks like a shining diamond in comparison.

Me? My first media streamer was a modded original xbox running XBMC. It wouldn't play HD content (not that there was much to be had back then anyway) but the UI was excellent. Once you've experienced that, just about everything else is going to be a letdown in comparison.

Then about 5 years ago I replaced it with a Popcorn Hour A-110 NMT. It really will play absolutely everything imaginable that you throw at it from USB or a SMB share on the network. As far as local media playback is concerned, it is definitively better than the Roku is in every way imaginable, and if mine hadn't been struck by lightning 2 years back, I would still be using it to this day as my primary Media Center device. It has none of the drawbacks of the Roku I listed above even though it is now 5+ years old. It doesn't do any sort of Netflix or Youtube or really hardly any internet streaming, but that's simply not what it was designed for. I think newer versions of the PCH have added such features.

Also about 5 years back I bought a WD TV HD for my bedroom. It's very basic as well, but again, at 5 years old it plays back files from USB better than the Roku could ever dream of today. It also doesn't have any of the negatives I listed above, with the exception of not doing metadata/movie posters. I bought a new WD TV last year for $59 that is completely redesigned, and does to the movie poster/show info thing as well. It also has an HDMI port as well as standard RCA cable output, meaning when I took it on the family vacation this summer I was able to hook it up to the old TV in the rental house we stayed in and have Netflix for the kids as well as movies for the adults on a USB stick. There's two separate reasons why that wouldn't have worked with a Roku 3.

My point is, there are tons of other devices out there, many for far less money, that do so much more than the Roku. It all depends on what you want to do with it, and what features are important to you. The Roku has name recognition and ease of use going for it, and that's just about it. Everything else about it, if you took the time to actually educate yourself on the topic, is really subpar.

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because when you are 5'2" 105 pounds and a flaming douche of a nerd all you can do is talk shit

don't white knight me motherfucker, I don't give a fuck about white knighting a damn thing, I'm just sick and tired of seeing you nerdy ass faggots talk shit because you got made fun of in high school

you sucked then and you still suck now

2/3/2016 11:26:31 AM

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Hmm, well discuss it more with the union if you're getting literally zero feedback from your boss but just ask their help for getting the basics at first. Use their leverage to learn what you need to improve/do to get your promotion in writing from your boss. If she really fights it when all your colleagues are getting promotions or have received promotions earlier with similar work performance, then maybe involve the union more.

If it really gets annoying you can always transfer to another position in the federal government through your connections therein. If you're halfway competent there are many managers who would be happy to take a chance with you, I would imagine. See: My ping pong career (which is about to bounce again). Sometimes you will encounter management that decides they don't like you, and it can stall your career out if others are getting bonuses, high-visiblity projects, awards, etc and you're not for the same effort.

It's hard to see that objectively though and in hindsight you may regret taking any rash decisions (see: my ping pong career, though it's about to be better for it after a ~1.75 year hiatus). My first federal situation, my supervisor and work leader left the org, we had no structured promotion schedule, and I got way in over my head for being ambitious and being willing to address and try to solve a backlog of problems, so I had to leave (but came back for time #2). My second situation was a bit different as my manager really liked me but the director of engineering told other directors that my work was shit (work that I completed in my first federal employment in a different department/command in the same building) directly behind my cubicle. After leaving I realized that the second situation wasn't that bad, and nobody cared what that director said because he literally talked shit about everybody and had no idea the project he was insulting was mine (no initials on the drawings).

The union should be able to get your manager to comply with the rules outlined for your position. That's part of why they are there, to help you and represent you in a situation where you may be treated unfairly and to at least push for a hard reason for why you shouldn't be promoted. If it boils down to your manager arbitrarily deciding you weren't "ready", then they'll probably cave after some pressure to provide justification when you're within compliance with typical work performance requirements, your performance review was above-average, and they haven't told you anything that you've done wrong or that you could do better. Just be cordial with your manager and avoid saying anything to other parties about suspicion of unfair treatment, that she doesn't like you, that you don't like her as a result, etc. Federal work environments are full of gossips and you should avoid confiding in anybody unless you've known them for a while and you know you can trust them. (More lessons I've learned along the way.)

Edit: Also, I had to ping pong jobs to get my gs12 and build real engineering experience to get positions with additional responsibility. If you are competent at what you do, are reliable, and get along reasonably well with people and your manager is worried that you're a flight risk, they might be holding off on promoting you to try to lock you down in your organization since you're not at your working grade yet. It's harder to transfer up a grade than it is to move laterally, let alone up 3 grades, so if you had your 12 and saw a better opportunity in the area you could easily transfer. While you're a 9, it'll be harder to transfer since your experience only technically qualifies you to move up to a 10 level position after a year. Those time in grade requirements are insidious and can make it difficult to get out of a bad situation.

2/3/2016 11:40:13 AM

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is that fried rice thing real?

2/3/2016 12:16:16 PM

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Yes, I am in favor of deporting all people that are here illegally.

Yes, that may hurt the economy a bit. A big MAYBE. It would be such a slow process that no one city/state/employment sector would be hit hard all at once and would have time to react and find people to fill the spots. All 11 million at one time, no one ever thought that was possible. And yes, I agree, make it a serious offense to hire illegals.

Yes, laws change over time. Yes, in the beginning of the US, people flocked here from all over the world. THEN, we realized that this could not go on forever, so then we started keeping track of who came in and enforcing the border. We also implemented a way to immigrate legally. The door was not shut.

The cost to deport all 11 million people.....no one knows because its based on bloated numbers and numbers that no one can afford, so it would never happen on a grand scale like it is handled today. So yes, it is speculation and made to look so unobtainable that we would not even consider it.

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Yes, this is the underlying problem.

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"So you think Rosa Parks should have been arrested for riding in the front of the bus. Got it.

Read what I said again. I did not say that enforcing the law is morally dubious. I said that the level of security necessary to seriously reduce illegal immigration would be costly, dangerous, and morally dubious. It would require the use of life-threatening measures against economic migrants and the forcible separation of families. There isn't a way around these facts. I hope we can all agree that there is or should be some moral qualms about shooting a guy who wants to pick tomatoes or making a kid an orphan because his parents aren't citizens. For me, those moral qualms are too great to be justified by the "problem" of illegal immigration."


Level of security? Border agents knocking on your door? Why are you worried? Shooting? Orphans? Seperating families? Come on now. Get these scare tactics out of here. Never once has anyone advocated physical violence. The United States gov't tried, to a point, to keep illegal immigration from happening. The people that spit in the face of our rules and laws by coming here and staying here off the books, and then having anchor babies, should be dealt with by deportation. Send the whole family back. Keep the family together. That is the moral thing to do.

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Not if we are more efficient and waste less tax dollars. Yes, we are talking about the human population. That's what makes up the humans that live here. It is a fluid number, rises and falls all the time, all over the world. Yes, the birthrate in America may be a bit low at this very moment, but NO ONE knows what the future will bring, so you can read the numbers all you like, but all of it can changed in an instant.

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"Your assertion that somehow we would just become super efficient at deporting people, now that is pure speculation put forward by exactly one person -- you -- in the face of several studies by scholars in the field, and in the face of the people who actually handle deportations."


I didn't say overnight. IF a president wanted to make his sole stance no illegal immigration, and actually back it up, then he would have to work VERY HARD to find an efficient way of doing it, or it would become a nightmare of costs and logistics. I have made this statement a few times before. I'm sure when JFK said we are going to the moon, the first cost estimates were unfathomable and many balked at the idea. But they got smart and got it done. I know these aren't the same things, but sticking hard and fast to a number that some think tanks came up with (when no one really knows how the process would be, or if it REALLY could be done) is not that convincing.

At least North Korea takes their borders serious. That is something.

And no, affect and effect don't mean the same thing. I hope you can look past my slight grammar mistake I made in haste.

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"Well, Mr. Deport'em, why don't you ask the government to raise your taxes and not mine, because I don't care to waste my tax dollars on a mass deportation scheme."


No tax increase. Like I said before, a major issue facing this country is the waste and abuse and absurd tax code and laws. It is all tied together, and hopefully a conservative president would understand that ANY tax increases are a strain on the lower and middle class and wouldn't do it.

Ya'll have a good weekend.

3/18/2016 1:47:21 PM

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So many words

3/20/2016 10:10:12 AM

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