Just curious:

Do you know that the device (almost certainly) records everywhere you drove with it on?

I'm not trying to be "OMG privacy", I just want to find out what random people's knowledge and expectations about this are.

3/10/2012 9:42:00 PM

I know mine does, but it doesn't have any way to upload it, so what do i care?

3/10/2012 9:48:07 PM

Teh wolfmrash makes a good point.

Your average POS GPS system purchased at Sam's Club or what have you does not have the capability to transmit shit back to Google or the government or whatever it is that you're afraid of. So what are you afraid of?!?

3/10/2012 9:51:47 PM

Well, maybe I'm the only one who thinks like this...

But say you were accused of a crime. Maybe you committed it, or maybe you didn't. Use game theory.

A) Prosecution has the knowledge that the GPS history is often there
B) Defense has the knowledge that it's there

It's not scandalous unless you presume that one party knows and chooses to withhold the information, or something like that. Either way, not knowing can screw you. Or you could disable it. Or you could not disable it and set it up so you could make it look like you disabled it...

swear to god, I'm not planning on killing someone. It's just so much fun to think about.

3/10/2012 10:11:54 PM

if you didn't do anything wrong, i don't really see the problem with it. because justice is fair, and all that.

3/10/2012 10:14:16 PM

plz to embed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vc6oJ2qOM

3/10/2012 10:15:30 PM

Google has already figured out I'm boring and not worth tracking.

3/10/2012 10:17:08 PM

^^^ clearly somebody didn't watch the Brad Cooper trial, lol

3/10/2012 10:18:25 PM

Related:

http://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/ir/handle/1840.16/7115

tl;dr summary:

NC State grad student tracks people's movements and plots points of where they went. Uses math. Gets PhD. ...

3/10/2012 10:21:39 PM

CLEARLY

3/10/2012 10:22:31 PM

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"clearly somebody didn't watch the Brad Cooper trial, lol"

tldr, what happened?

3/10/2012 10:24:07 PM

nigga got framed, that's what happened, lol

3/10/2012 10:25:30 PM

I do, but I haven't updated it since I bought it 5 years ago. Shit gets me lost more than it helps me find places

3/10/2012 10:30:02 PM

all that's gonna prove is that your GPS/car was there

you can rent a car

duh

3/10/2012 10:30:31 PM

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"I do, but I haven't updated it since I bought it 5 years ago."

Discounting professional data recovery services, it probably won't keep it for that long. Depending on how frequently you drive, it will delete history beyond so much size, or at least mine will. So if it recorded it in the first place the majority of yours is probably gone.

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"all that's gonna prove is that your GPS/car was there you can rent a car"

Yeah, you're dense.

At least for the type of device I'm talking about, you can turn it off. Furthermore, any "power" in this information in the current world comes only from other people not knowing/understanding technology. It would be perfect if you suspected your spouse of cheating and your spouse was tech-dumb. Aside from that, it's obviously of limited usefulness.

I'm kind of amazed by the difference in cost/effort compared to the traditional image of professionally done investigations. The FBI will occasionally put trackers on vehicles, but they'll often have large battery packs and transmitters, making it a really serious system. On the other hand, if you have access to the car 12 volt cigarette lighter plug, you can just plug the damned $100 device in. You can probably turn off the startup sound too.

I'm not saying that either someone is currently tracking you, or that the data is infallible. The amazing thing is that we automatically record our daily lives to this detail. Combined with human creativity, it opens the door for shenanigans. That's still true.

3/10/2012 10:51:41 PM

uhhh, you're gonna have to have the device out in the open if you want to actually get any signal of any sort. I know it's using radio signals, but most units I've seen won't get a signal under the seat or anything like that. i could be wrong, though

3/10/2012 10:55:45 PM

Mine seems to still work closed in the center console and glovebox. Granted, that's just some cheap plastic over it.

But you are correct that some elaborate plan to hide one of these totally underneath the driver's seat would likely not work.

3/10/2012 11:04:10 PM

so who are you trying to kill?

3/10/2012 11:05:50 PM

please say john swofford or karl hess
please say john swofford or karl hess
please say john swofford or karl hess
please say john swofford or karl hess
please say john swofford or karl hess
please say john swofford or karl hess

3/10/2012 11:06:29 PM

john swofford

3/10/2012 11:07:00 PM

I knew my GPS recorded its track and I use that feature to find my way back to the road if I get turned around offroad and use it to help me figure out how close I might be to my previous track (like when trying to get all the way around a fire)

3/11/2012 7:14:10 PM

No, I didn't know that.

But I'll make sure to destroy it in case I murder someone.

3/11/2012 8:55:34 PM

who the hell uses a GPS when they commit crimes

move this thread to The Soap Box The Tinfoil Hat Forum

3/11/2012 9:07:55 PM

RECALCULATING!!!

3/12/2012 11:26:48 AM

I switched from Garmin to OnStar. I miss Garmin

3/12/2012 11:30:35 AM

I don't understand people who still buy gps systems... pretty much every cell phone comes with gps capability now

3/12/2012 11:47:51 AM

If I ever commit a felony, I'm going to let someone borrow my GPS and have them drive somewhere while I'm doing it.

3/12/2012 12:07:32 PM

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"But say you were accused of a crime. Maybe you committed it, or maybe you didn't. Use game theory."

Y'all are talking all about the BC trial, but they had a car navigation system, and it was never checked. So, it can't get you out of a conviction if you're innocent if the cops never check the damn thing. But you better damn well be sure they'll check it if you're guilty.

3/12/2012 12:12:03 PM

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"pretty much every cell phone comes with gps capability now"

I paid $80 for my cell phone last year and it does not have this.

Quote :

"If I ever commit a felony, I'm going to let someone borrow my GPS and have them drive somewhere while I'm doing it."

The best way to create a fake a alibi always was, and still remains, a trusted and corrupt friend.

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"So, it can't get you out of a conviction if you're innocent if the cops never check the damn thing. But you better damn well be sure they'll check it if you're guilty."

/bottom line

3/12/2012 4:53:59 PM

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"I paid $80 for my cell phone last year and it does not have this."

Problem identified.

3/12/2012 4:55:39 PM

I know this shouldn't piss me off. This is that guy's life. Doesn't have anything to do with me. I also kind of think it's a cool idea to record everything possible.

http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2012/03/the-personal-analytics-of-my-life/

But still... still... this graph just pisses me off, for no other reason than it shows that he is the exact type of person I hate.



It's one thing to neglect your family by spending 70% of your life on the phone (wtf, who the hell are you talking to and they they also spend that much time on the phone?), but the fact that he posts these graphs on the internet shows that he's kind of showing off with it. It doesn't matter that you spend time on that phone, it matters that you fucking get something accomplished with the conversation.

It's kind of sad. Like a self-made prison. This is office life for many people today.

3/22/2012 10:48:12 PM

^at least it appears it takes a break for supper

3/22/2012 10:52:47 PM

well he's apparently constantly occupied with other stuff, so he forces himself to:
- wake up at noon and walk on the treadmill... while talking on the phone and writing/coding
- take an hour or two for dinner with his family

I have no problem admitting that career is not as high of a priority in my life as it was in his

3/22/2012 10:58:44 PM

i like how Infiniti wants me to pay $150 to download and burn a CD of their newest map shit for my navigation system so they can install it at their dealership when Google Maps has all the newest stuff anyway, for "free"

3/22/2012 11:09:06 PM

someone planted this bit of conspiracy in my head the other day. Do you think the free GPS solutions out there actually choose the best/quickest route or just the one with the most revenue generating spots? C-Stores, McDs, Hotels, etc...

3/22/2012 11:13:53 PM

Let me show you how much I care

3/22/2012 11:38:20 PM