0EPII1 All American 42569 Posts user info edit post |
Fatties and others susceptible to strokes watch out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17703018
Intriguing old cases of people drastically changing after strokes, at the end of the article, with external links.
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AFTER

Quote : | "'The stroke had turned me gay'
By Lucy Wallis
Following a stroke, Chris Birch's personality and sexuality altered dramatically. Now he is trying to rediscover who he is and why these changes may have happened.
"It's like looking at somebody else, but with my face only younger, and in all fairness, if I met myself I'd probably carry on walking."
Looking at past pictures of himself, 27-year-old Chris Birch struggles to remember or identify with his old self. He used to be a 19-stone, beer-swilling, party-loving rugby fan from the Welsh valleys, the life and soul of a party. He worked in a bank and loved sport and motorbikes.
After a freak accident in 2011, he says he underwent a big change to his personality. He believes that he has gone from being straight to gay.
"I was doing a forward roll down a grass bank one day and cut off the blood supply to my brain which caused a stroke to happen. It was from there, while I was recovering, that I realised I'd changed," says Birch, from Caerphilly.
"The Chris I knew had gone and a new Chris sort of came along. I came to the realisation that the stroke had turned me gay."
A stroke occurs when the blood, and therefore, oxygen supply to the brain is disrupted. Without oxygen, any part of the brain can be destroyed as brain cells die, leaving the brain to make new connections, which can affect how a person thinks, moves or feels.
Chris Birch does not recognise himself in photographs that were taken before the accident Stroke patients have a 40% chance of suffering another stroke and Birch takes medication to prevent any such reoccurrence. He still has regular brain scans and cannot remember much of his life before the accident. He has also noticed physical changes to his body, for instance when he is tired, his left eye droops.
When Birch's story hit the headlines last year it sparked a media frenzy and the story went viral. However, some - including media organisations and those close to Birch - questioned whether a stroke could alter a person's sexual orientation.
There are few known cases of a stroke turning a straight person gay, and major personality changes in stroke sufferers are rare. Even Jak Powell, Birch's fiance, believes his partner may always have been gay.
"I've still got the same opinion that it was just something that was always there," says Powell.
"People grow up not knowing they are gay and have families and then they realise they are gay, but they don't have a stroke to realise that."
Yet Birch disagrees and is convinced that, neurologically, it was the stroke that altered his sense of self. The moment he realised his feelings towards men had changed was a scary period in his life.
"It was a sort of lonely time. It was a time I was afraid to tell anybody because that wasn't who I used to be, so it shouldn't be who I am now," he says.
"You're afraid to tell people, you're afraid to have that conversation or even talk about the possibility that I have even changed in some way, and I suppose I dealt with it by moving out of my family home by myself and having to realise who I was all over again."
A change in sexual orientation in a stroke sufferer is a controversial issue that can divide scientific opinion.
Dr Qazi Rahman of Queen Mary, University of London, an expert in human sexual orientation, has researched the neurological differences between gay and straight men and women.
He has tested hundreds of lesbian, gay and straight volunteers and discovered certain key patterns which reveal if a person might have been born gay or straight.
Stroke statistics Every five minutes someone in the UK has a stroke Around a third of those who have suffered a stroke will recover A third of stoke sufferers are left disabled or need further rehabilitation And a third of stroke patients are likely to die within the first 10 days Medical help should be sought as soon as a stroke is suspected to increase the chance of recovery
Rahman says the brains of gay men could be organised differently to those of straight men.
He invited Birch, who has swapped banking for hairdressing, to undergo the computer-based tests to see if he may, indeed, have been born gay. On half of the tests, Birch performed in the "expected direction" for a gay man, and for the other half was within the range of a straight man.
"The bulk of the evidence in the biological sciences of genetics and psychology and neuroscience suggest that sexuality is something you are born with and it develops later on through life," says Rahman.
"Sometimes it takes something like a neurological insult - which is what a stroke is - to make you reassess those feelings, perhaps that are lying dormant, and bring them into the front of your mind and it is possible that is what has happened with [Birch]".
Yet consultant neuro-psychiatrist Dr Sudad Jawad has worked with young people who have had strokes and has come across a similar case in his practice of a man whose sexuality changed from homosexual to heterosexual.
"Just like a stroke can change you as a person, your behaviour, your personality, the way you think, why not sexual orientation, it is part of the personality of the individual," says Jawad.
Birch's case brings to mind other examples of those whose personality has radically altered after a change in their medical history.
Tommy McHugh suffered a stroke in 2001 which unlocked his creative side. He used to be a builder and is now an artist, sculptor and writes poetry. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3826857.stm
However before the stroke, McHugh had no interest in art apart from the tattoos on his arms.
In 2008, Cheryl Johnson claimed her personality and taste in literature had changed after a kidney transplant. She swapped popular novels for high-brow books by Dostoevsky. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1581752/New-kidney-changed-my-whole-personality.html
Debbie McCann, a grandmother from Glasgow, suffered a stroke in 2011 and began speaking with an Italian accent, although she had never been to Italy. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2043204/Scottish-grandmother-Debbie-McCann-suffers-stroke-wakes-ITALIAN-accent.html
One of the first recorded instances of a personality change after a head injury dates back to 1848, with the case of Phineas Gage. While working as a railroad construction foreman, his head was pierced by an iron bar propelled by an explosion. He survived the accident but suffered behavioural changes and was reported to have permanently lost his inhibitions. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/nov/05/phineas-gage-head-personality
Although science may never be able to reveal what happened after Birch's accident and the lasting effect of the stroke, he is continuing to rediscover himself and move on with his new life.
He has put away previous pictures of himself - and with them the "old Chris".
"I'm convinced more than ever looking at these photos that the stroke did turn me gay, because there is no way that I was gay before. I have photos as proof and I have friends as proof and now I have memories as proof."
"I'm happier now than I ever have been, why would I want to change?"" |
[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ] 4/17/2012 10:53:52 AM
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BrickTop All American 4508 Posts user info edit post |
i knew that queer on american idol was queer 4/17/2012 10:57:00 AM
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MisterGreen All American 4328 Posts user info edit post |
at first he was like

but now, he's
 4/17/2012 11:01:14 AM
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wolfpackgrrr All American 39759 Posts user info edit post |
^ ahahaha 4/17/2012 11:04:34 AM
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EMCE balls deep 89891 Posts user info edit post |
Interesting.
Though I have to say I'm not a fan of framing homosexuality in this way. It opens the door for someone to claim "gay is a disease or malfuntion of the brain" under the guise of research. 4/17/2012 11:06:50 AM
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GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
What's the difference between seeing someone you'd like to fuck versus someone you don't want to fuck.
You don't make that decision.
Your brain does.
You roll with it. 4/17/2012 11:08:30 AM
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justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 28521 Posts user info edit post |
I read this as the strokes turned me gay. 4/17/2012 11:11:27 AM
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scotieb24 Commish 11097 Posts user info edit post |
I guess he wasn't stroking it right  4/17/2012 11:20:19 AM
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GREEN JAY All American 14180 Posts user info edit post |
well, i think he looks gay in the before pic too 4/17/2012 11:36:23 AM
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Pikey All American 6421 Posts user info edit post |
It is like having an orgasm while being raped. It is only a physical response. 4/17/2012 11:47:10 AM
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ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
im going to invent the gay vaccine 4/17/2012 11:58:57 AM
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Pikey All American 6421 Posts user info edit post |
Will it cure gay? Or induce gayness? 4/17/2012 12:51:02 PM
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ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Cure for sure 4/17/2012 12:57:56 PM
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MisterGreen All American 4328 Posts user info edit post |
yeah i see a little ~ in the first pic as well 4/17/2012 1:17:49 PM
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Pikey All American 6421 Posts user info edit post |
Strokes are known to cause distortion and disorientation. Perhaps this dude is just a little confused. 4/17/2012 1:34:35 PM
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BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
I mean I can see Billy Squier being gay, The Stroke seems pretty homo 4/17/2012 7:01:13 PM
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Eaton Bush All American 2342 Posts user info edit post |
So if we induce stroke in gays... that will make them straight? 4/17/2012 10:28:30 PM
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0EPII1 All American 42569 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Yet consultant neuro-psychiatrist Dr Sudad Jawad has worked with young people who have had strokes and has come across a similar case in his practice of a man whose sexuality changed from homosexual to heterosexual. " |
4/18/2012 12:57:26 AM
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egyeyes All American 6209 Posts user info edit post |
All of the other examples they list of instances of personality changes after "changes in their medical history" are absolutely stupid
someone who works with their hands and has tattoos on both his arms is now an artist/sculptor?
a kidney transplant made a woman swap popular novels for Dostoevsky?
someone whose head was pierced by an iron bar suffered behavioral changes and lose his inhibitions?
this is absolute garbage and an insult to the field of neuroscience 4/18/2012 2:41:27 AM
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TragicNature All American 11805 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So if we induce stroke in gays... that will make them straight?" |
I have a gay friend who's in his 40's. He's always said he knew he was gay since childhood. Anyway, he had a stroke somewhere back in the late 90's/early 2000's from doing too many drugs, and he came out of it still gay. Half his lip droops as well as one of his eyes though. 4/18/2012 2:50:16 AM
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egyeyes All American 6209 Posts user info edit post |
I have read many, many scientific articles on comparing the heterosexual male brain to the homosexual male brain and yes.. there are slight organizational differences.
I think they bring up an interesting topic, and sure, it might be possible that this stroke "turned" this young man gay, but they cannot know it for sure.
There is a nucleus in the hypothalamus called the third Interstitial Nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus (INAH3) that has consistently been found to be twice as large in heterosexual men than in both women and homosexual men. This to me is clear evidence of a neuroanatomical and biological aspect to sexual orientation.
That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that a stroke may affect one's personality, and I'm sure the topic presented by this incident and those before and similar to it have sparked much interest in the scientific community. 4/18/2012 2:57:36 AM
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Eaton Bush All American 2342 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^I saw that part and wondered aloud about inducing, which I did not see mentioned. Not that I would expect serious research into inducing strokes for this because of the side effects; even if it was voluntary.
The INAH3 is interesting bit is very interesting. 4/18/2012 6:37:49 AM
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0EPII1 All American 42569 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "All of the other examples they list of instances of personality changes after "changes in their medical history" are absolutely stupid" |
oh yeah, those behavioral changes they cited are simply minor insignificant changes that normal people make on a daily basis on a whim. 4/18/2012 8:34:18 PM
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pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
"Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist."
5/2/2012 7:27:36 PM
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merbig Suspended 13178 Posts user info edit post |
^ The most shocking part of it is all the people following up with "Amen!" 5/2/2012 7:50:26 PM
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