He will live on forever in our hearts, as long as the NWO menace lives.

9/20/2012 1:46:52 PM

We know your opinion Hoops. The government is honest and benevolent. It serves in the best interest of all of mankind. It is the government's job to improve society and they know better than the ordinary citizens how to make those improvement.

9/20/2012 2:04:05 PM

Most citizens want to steal my wallet.

9/20/2012 2:09:23 PM

Are the citizens impoverished?

9/20/2012 2:11:04 PM

No

9/20/2012 2:12:28 PM

So why do they want your wallet?

9/20/2012 2:13:06 PM

Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie

Gimmie some more

Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie

Don't ask what for

9/20/2012 2:23:12 PM

Britney spears is their leader and she is brainwashing little zombies to steal your wallet?

9/20/2012 2:24:19 PM

When did Britney spears come into play?

9/20/2012 2:38:18 PM

^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo&feature=player_detailpage#t=51s

9/20/2012 2:55:46 PM

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"The government is honest and benevolent. It serves in the best interest of all of mankind. It is the government's job to improve society and they know better than the ordinary citizens how to make those improvement."

Democracy is dead because retards like you say shit like that instead of taking responsibility and not blaming things on GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY.

9/20/2012 4:24:44 PM

your immediate move towards Mrs Spears explains alot. Id assume you dont date much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k0Ex55stmE

9/20/2012 4:55:31 PM

i, too, immediately thought of britney spears.

9/20/2012 6:32:59 PM

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"We know your opinion Hoops. The government is honest and benevolent. It serves in the best interest of all of mankind. It is the government's job to improve society and they know better than the ordinary citizens how to make those improvement."

They do a better job than you.

9/20/2012 6:41:47 PM

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"Democracy is dead because retards like you say shit like that instead of taking responsibility and not blaming things on GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY."

Democracy?

DEMOCRACY?

9/20/2012 7:05:05 PM

Yes, it's dead. I thought you'd agree.

9/21/2012 9:45:06 AM

I was listening to NPR and there was a segment where they were discussing things that pretty much everyone 'reasonable' agreed on - for instance, that democracy is good. I'll admit that democracy is better than a dictatorship, but it still fucking sucks.

9/21/2012 10:01:02 AM

If all you have ever eaten is rotten beef sandwiches a hamburger from McDonald's might be good.

9/21/2012 10:55:57 AM

This country has never been a democracy.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.



Article IV of the Constitution: "guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government."



Hoops: your a product of brainwashing by the media.

[Edited on September 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2012 12:47:11 PM

I was wondering how long it would take someone to pipe in with "we're not a democracy, we're a representative republic!"

'democracy' is being used in a general sense, as in "a form of government in which the people have an amount of power in the legislative process." not in the specific sense of "every vote is a popular vote."

'democracy' as opposed to 'despotism'.

[Edited on September 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2012 1:06:34 PM

You don't have to explain anything.


This country is no longer a Republic as of two weeks ago and nobody cares.

[Edited on September 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2012 1:14:47 PM

Ron Swanson 2016

9/22/2012 11:25:51 AM

so how do we choose representatives without exercising democracy (voting) in your preferred world?

[Edited on September 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM. Reason : fart]

9/24/2012 11:39:43 AM

So any system where voting takes place is now considered a "democracy"? Sounds like the term has been watered down to the point of uselessness now.

9/24/2012 1:53:28 PM

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"democracy (voting)"

This is the root of your confusion. Democracy is a direct vote for a candidate. He who gets the majority of the votes wins.

The democracy you see on TV in this country is completely fake.
Just assume everything you see on TV nowadays is completely fake.



[Edited on September 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2012 2:26:05 PM

Just assume that everything is a conspiracy theory, and hints of the conspiracy theory are hidden everywhere, you just need to find them!!!1

9/24/2012 2:30:04 PM

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"So any system where voting takes place is now considered a "democracy"? Sounds like the term has been watered down to the point of uselessness now."

What term would you use to describe a nation, in concept, that is a republic that elects representatives based on universal suffrage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

I don't know any credible source that claims that the system we've devised since the 18th century doesn't involve democratic participation in some way.

Whether or not you believe so or not, we have a de facto democratic republic in that we elect people to represent us based on what has become universal suffrage.


But maybe you think we shouldn't let certain people vote.

Or maybe you're Genie Sex Boy and think that we had some sort of divinely inspired perfect country until the Illuminati or Reptilians fucked it up.

[Edited on September 24, 2012 at 3:51 PM. Reason : z]

9/24/2012 3:50:04 PM

I'm not sure what you're arguing about. First, You called this nation a democracy.

now you are posting about a representative democracy .


then you give a link to wikipedia that says:

Representative democracy is a variety of democracy founded on the principle of elected people representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.[1] For example, two countries which use representative democracy are the United Kingdom (a constitutional monarchy) and Germany (a federal republic).

In the first two sentences.

Then to add insult to injury... when you scroll down

Quote :

"Relation to republicanism The related term republic may have many different meanings. It normally means a state with an elected or otherwise non-monarchical head of state, such as the Islamic Republic of Iran or Republic of Korea. Sometimes in the US it is used similarly to liberal (representative) democracy.[citation needed] For example: The United States relies on representative democracy, but its system of government is much more complex than that. It is not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered. —[6]"

9/24/2012 5:43:30 PM

I'm not sure why all of that matters bc we're living inside of a computer.

9/24/2012 5:57:02 PM

the matrix mother fuckers

9/26/2012 3:16:55 PM

This thread's theme song:

Nine Inch Nails - Right Where it Belongs

9/26/2012 5:26:09 PM

Cannible Corpse - "fucked with a knife".

9/26/2012 6:31:46 PM

9/27/2012 12:48:20 AM

are you excited about rand paul being best buds with mcconnell now?

11/14/2012 9:51:23 AM

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"Representative democracy is a variety of democracy"

This might blow your mind GXB, but this sentence means that all representative democracies and republicans are democracies and there's really nothing contradictory about switching between saying one or the other.

[Edited on November 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

11/14/2012 10:02:55 AM

That's like saying Libertarian and libertarian is the same word You can't tell the difference in spoken form.

Likewise, claiming we are a democracy has the same ambiguity. Democracy in one context is different from democracy in the other context and the context they are using it is in "pure democracy" context and not a "our system uses democracy within the system to elect representatives" context.

11/14/2012 1:04:05 PM

Ron Paul on Secession





Nepalitano on Secession

11/14/2012 1:09:07 PM

Ron Paul giving a farewell (to congress) speech between 2:00 and 3:00 est on CSPAN1



http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

11/14/2012 2:08:36 PM

Ron Paul essentially making the case for market anarchism, i.e., eliminating government monopoly on the use of force. I guess he can do that now that his career is over.

11/14/2012 2:35:09 PM

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"market anarchism"

Disagree. He advocates free market until it crosses the line of infringing on individual liberty

11/14/2012 2:52:09 PM

Wow farewell speech already out in case you missed it... at around the 2:08 mark

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession5365

11/14/2012 3:45:20 PM

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"'democracy' is being used in a general sense, as in "a form of government in which the people have an amount of power in the legislative process." not in the specific sense of "every vote is a popular vote.""

No it's not. A nation isn't satisfactorily democratic when they allow some participation on some issue by their citizens. More specifically, if the ruling power get to decide what the people will be able to input their opinion, then you've defeated the entire point.

Same if the leaders have the option of rejecting "democratic" outcomes they don't like, like the case of Myanmar. They hold elections until you elect someone they don't like. Much like the RNC.

11/14/2012 4:00:24 PM

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"market anarchism"

i choose not to recognize your contracts, property, and the force you have chosen to enforce them. who stops me from stealing your patents?

11/15/2012 2:24:10 PM

Probably some type of third party organization that resolves disputes. I'm not recommending we abolish the government overnight and replace it with nothing, I'm suggesting that we think of voluntary ways to accomplish the goals most of us want.

11/15/2012 2:58:00 PM

Brilliant, we'll just replace the monopoly on force with a plutocracy on force.

11/15/2012 3:04:51 PM

But we already have plutocracy. Why not open up rights enforcement to competition? Who benefits when those responsible for educating and protecting the population are not accountable to those that pay their wages? Certainly not the consumer.

11/15/2012 3:19:10 PM

There is exactly zero competition for the business of people who don't have money.

11/15/2012 3:36:31 PM

More importantly, all arbitration is simply a precursor to the application of force. At the end of the day, any firm that loses a legal battle can still win the war if they have more force on their side. This is exactly how nation-states work, how China worked for years after the fall of the Qin dynasty, exactly how Somalia works, and exactly how any place works that doesn't have universalized rights and (at least ostensibly) egalitarian enforcement.

Private property is the use of force to exclude and evict others. If you talk about firms competing to protect people's property rights, that necessarily means the application of force, and so the ultimate competition comes down to "who has the bigger stick." Here's a hint: It's the person with the most money.

[Edited on November 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2012 3:38:23 PM

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"Probably some type of third party organization that resolves disputes."

Like a.....Government?

11/15/2012 4:05:48 PM

You're right, and people should help them, and I believe they will. The government is not unique in its ability to provide for poor people, but it is unmatched in its ability to make people become poor, to kill people, and to crack down on social mobility.

Government assistance is not charity, and when it attempts to be charitable, it does so in a wholly ham-handed way. A charity can help those that have hit unexpected hard times. It's real, human interaction; the charity can gauge can get an idea of how this person reached this low point and help them become a productive member of society again. The government just sends out a check. It doesn't have the resources or the ability to distinguish between the "welfare queen", the homeless, the diseased, or what have you. It's largely a one size fits all program. If you're eligible and you apply, you get the money. No one from the government comes to make sure you "get on the right track", so to speak.

Regardless of government's ability to provide for the poor, there's no reason to believe that it does so optimally. Competition can only benefit the consumer. Even the extremely poor are consumers.

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"Like a.....Government?"

Right, but an organization that doesn't point guns at peaceful people. I don't have a problem with some of the goals that government (allegedly) works towards, but I have a problem with how they work towards those goals and the methods they use to fund those efforts.

[Edited on November 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/15/2012 4:13:29 PM