So a person I know posted on Facebook saying how they just got an absentee ballot for NC and how they are also going to vote for Obama in the state they've lived in for a while now (not NC).

This made me curious, what is done to prevent people from doing this? It also makes me wonder (a) how can someone be so stupid to post it on facebook [think it was to encourage others to do the same] and (b) how widespread of an issue this is.

9/22/2012 6:31:36 PM

Don't worry, we will soon spend millions of dollars implementing plans to stop this and millions more defending civil rights lawsuits from it so her and the 2 other people who try it have a harder time.

Did you call her out? I would have.

9/22/2012 7:39:12 PM

I didn't call her out, but was considering posting something about people like her are the reason others use to justify making it harder to vote and all the extra millions of dollars some states put towards preventing voter fraud. I'll likely message her on FB chat if she gets on tonight.

I am assuming that the majority of people don't do stupid tomfoolery like this. Its usually the select view that participate in breaking the "rules" that ultimately make it harder for everyone else who abide by them.

[Edited on September 22, 2012 at 7:55 PM. Reason : blah, some people]

9/22/2012 7:53:44 PM

Call the dumb bitch out. That's just wrong.

9/22/2012 7:59:18 PM

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"So a person I know posted on Facebook saying how they just got an absentee ballot for NC and how they are also going to vote for Obama in the state they've lived in for a while now (not NC). This made me curious, what is done to prevent people from doing this? It also makes me wonder (a) how can someone be so stupid to post it on facebook [think it was to encourage others to do the same] and (b) how widespread of an issue this is."

rearrange and you will have your answer

9/22/2012 8:31:36 PM

^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_IFymXS9o

9/22/2012 9:49:12 PM

call her out

I mean I sure as fuck didn't get a Pennsylvania absentee ballot in '08 to vote for Obama there too (I moved from PA to OH that year)

I'd think that once you got registered in one state, they'd use your SSN to find out any other state you're registered in and tell 'em to kick you off the rolls

[Edited on September 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM. Reason : P.S.: Absentee-ballot fraud is by far the most common type, and the Rethugs don't mention it.

9/22/2012 10:28:45 PM

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"rearrange and you will have your answer"

this.

9/22/2012 10:46:26 PM

I need to register to vote in Massachusetts... I am registered in NC... anyone know how I go about doing this? I have the paper work for Massachusetts... I guess there must be a way off the NC site to fill out a form to remove you from being registered there.

I agree though... if you register in Massachusetts, I would think since they need the last 4 digits of your SS and where you last were registered to vote that they could essentially boot you from the rolls in the previous state.

[Edited on September 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM. Reason : g]

9/22/2012 10:50:08 PM

It doesn't matter.


Those who have access to the machines get to make up whatever numbers they want.

9/22/2012 11:18:09 PM

^^ When I moved from North Carolina and registered to vote, the registration form asked for where I was currently registered. The Board of Elections where I'm now registered is supposed to contact Wake County and have me removed from the voter rolls.

Don't know if that's the case for Massachusetts, though.

9/22/2012 11:25:15 PM

"Republican Staffers Charged With 36 Counts of Election Fraud"

Quote :

"McCotter reversed that plan after ending his presidential campaign. McCotter was indeed running for reelection in Michigan’s 11th District. Fast forward to May 2012. the date to collect signatures to appear on the ballot in Michigan has come and gone. 1,000 signatures are necessary for each candidate, and the McCotter campaign turned in over 2,000. There was just one small problem: most of those signatures were forgeries or photocopies. Only 244 of the signatures – just over 10% of the total number – were actually legitimate signatures. Michigan’s Secretary of State announced that the McCotter campaign had not gathered 1,000 valid signatures, which McCotter accepted. McCotter then announced that he would still be running for his seat in the August primary, as a write-in candidate. But the discoveries of fraud by the Secretary of State were so egregious that the matter was turned over to Michigan’s state attorney general. The Michigan elections director Chris Thomas called the fake signatures an “unprecedented level of fraud.”"

http://lawsonry.com/2012/09/republican-staffers-charged-with-36-counts-of-election-fraud/

9/23/2012 2:14:43 AM

Point out to this person it's a felony, take comfort in the fact that individual voter fraud of this nature would nearly be impossible to change the outcome of an election (you'd never be able to organize enough people to do it in a state where it might matter).

9/23/2012 2:26:58 AM

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" need to register to vote in Massachusetts... I am registered in NC... anyone know how I go about doing this? I have the paper work for Massachusetts..."

Why not just request absentee ballot in NC? Then after this election change it all? Go to the NC elections website. You just have to write a letter and you can fax, or scan and attach to a email to send it in.

[Edited on September 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM. Reason : w]

9/23/2012 1:19:56 PM

Point out to this person that it is a felony. Also shame her publicly for being so ignorant.

9/23/2012 2:41:48 PM

^^he should be more HxC

and actually drive all the way to NC

I mean I did it after moving from IN to PA in '06, and it made a good time to pick up the rest of my shit

9/24/2012 3:24:46 AM

On a similar note, I voted via mail in Washington last week (see my thread).

Today, I received my Florida absentee ballot in the mail.

That's frustrating, because when I went to register in WA about a month ago, I specifically asked the clerk if WA would notify FL of my change in residence, and was told they would.

To get this second ballot only confirms what I am sure are many people's suspicions that this process is very jacked up.

9/28/2012 12:26:48 AM

A month ago, your Florida ballot was probably printed, labelled, and sitting in a box with thousands of other ballots.

9/29/2012 2:46:32 AM

Hahahahahahahaha

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-voter-registration-florida-republicans-20120928,0,7654954.story

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"Florida elections officials said Friday that at least 10 counties have identified suspicious and possibly fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the Republican Party of Florida, which has filed an election fraud complaint with the state Division of Elections against its one-time consultant."

10/1/2012 11:14:35 AM

You need to be fair and also point out that since then, the Republicans have disassociated themselves with that firm in FL..

10/1/2012 11:33:42 AM

Uh yeah, after they got caught. And the guy running the firm wasn't exactly new at this.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/27/14126789-rnc-cuts-ties-with-firm-over-voter-fraud-allegations?lite

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"Sproul has been previously accused of suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms, and manipulating ballot initiatives. His firms -- formerly Sproul & Associates, Lincoln Strategy, and Strategic Allied Consultants -- had previously worked for RNC voter registration efforts during the campaigns of George W. Bush and John McCain. In 2004, Democratic Senators Leahy and Kennedy sent a letter to then Attorney General John Ashcroft requesting that he "launch an immediate investigation into the activities of Mr. Sproul and his firm." But the request did not lead to any criminal charges against Sproul. "

I'm sure it was just a coincidence though!

10/1/2012 11:46:13 AM

I mean registration fraud is only a big deal when randoms off the street do it rather than a company amirite

10/1/2012 2:56:45 PM

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"You need to be fair and also point out that since then, the Republicans have disassociated themselves with that firm in FL.."

And they'll just re-hire the same guy when he changes his company name....again. The best part is that one of his favorite tactics is to purge Democratic registrations, so that when those people show up to vote, they get put on provisional ballots. And in states like Florida, provisional ballots get counted last, and sometimes not counted at all (2000).

So let's not pretend like this is some rogue guy taking one for the home team.

10/1/2012 4:20:25 PM

I am pretty sure what she is doing is a felony.

10/1/2012 8:58:33 PM

get this: I carefully folo all instructions to get a absentee ballot sent to my pl0x har in Shanghai. Result? they sent it to my moms hizzy that i put on the form as my Amurican address.

my mom gets it and is all like: "no i wont fill it out for you" but then she was all like: "vote for this, vote for that! you don't even really live in here!"

FYI, Florida has like 12 god damn amendments and 3 judges before the axe all written in extremely complicated esoteric legalese

so then i ax my mom to call up the election people and double check find out if they got my request for a absentee ballox. why?? because the Emergency Federal Write-in Absentee Ballot only gets counted if they have a request for the normal absentee ballot on file.

i go to the consulate and wait in line (this is china...) get my forms and take them fuckers home.

WOW!! there is no ballot in there so i has to digg off on the internet looking for all the candidates names and offices they run for. takes me like 8 hours. especially all those god damn amendments and shit. all the while my internet is all blocked up because the word "democracy is all over every god damn thing and Freegate doesn't work most of the time anymore.

then i find out the Federal form only lets me vote on the federal shit and only a few state offices (luckily, florida is one state that lets u use the federal form for state shit) but cant vote for referendums or amendments and shit.

do my best, lick it and send that fucker off in the bulletproof metal box at the consulate. (that i had to go to twice because they has weird office hours)

then just yesterday i get a email from my county election people saying they got my federal write it thing but they have no request for a absentee ballot on file {im like FUCK YOU MOM YOU STUPID HOERSe!!! u can do anything right!!!]

so the email says i can still print and FAX some SumatraPDFs of my local ballot. so i hop on my GF's exteremely shitty and tiny as fuck bike (my expensive as fuck one got stolen again by chiniggers last week) i have to sit on the luggage rack over the back wheel and pedal like a recumbent, gotta lean forward too or the thing will wheelie.

im looking for a printshop that can do a international fax. at least i get all the forms printed out. then i burbwheel my big white ass to the blingy western hotel tryin to get on their business center puter. they want 50rmb per page so im like nah.

now i wait till tomorrow and my FrenchyCanadian Glengarry Glen Ross motherfucking "financial trader" friend i fuck off with on occasion says i can send it from his office. (no sciency people here to be real friends with)

I am HAPPY its hard to vote and that there is oldschool safeguards in place. If you read this, put you potato chips down and go fucking walk your lazy ass to the polling place on election day.

11/1/2012 8:14:18 AM

11/1/2012 9:24:31 AM

i moved out of NC almost 2 years ago and they still mailed me a wake county registration card to my last registered address in NC a couple months ago

so I could vote in two states, but I don't want to bother with the commission of a felony and all that

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 10:02 AM. Reason : jcgolden strikes again]

11/1/2012 10:00:39 AM

oh if your not from a swinger state, then fuck you. stay home on election day, you dont matter. thanks to the election college. Im officially from Florida because homestead laws are badass FUCK YOU NORTH CAROLINA you police state motherfucker. you will NEVER get another dime from me you fuckity fuck. also, New Mexico is my favorite state, its so goregeous and free and full of telescopes and science projects. also the schools are the best in the world inb4 US News quote: fuck you and your fake ass shitty statistics designed to sell shit you dont need. whenever i go back to USA, if i ever do. im going there.
i have lived everywhere so i know what i am talking about.

11/1/2012 10:53:35 AM

He especially knows laundromats.

11/1/2012 11:09:59 AM

im working on a different project at the moment. something that generates cash with way less overhead

11/1/2012 12:58:44 PM

Porta-potty rentals?

11/1/2012 4:57:37 PM

just get into botnets

it's what the kewl kidz do down there

or is that russia, idk

11/1/2012 8:05:00 PM

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"Broward is a Democratic stronghold that Barack Obama is expected to carry by a large margin. But initial early vote totals reported by the office of the Broward Supervisor of Elections changed on Sunday, in some cases dramatically, causing some to question the numbers. ... The revisions mean that 536 fewer total votes were reported in Broward — a reduction from 28,330 votes to 27,794 votes. That could be significant in a close election in a state where the presidential contest was decided by just 538 votes in 2000"

http://thegrio.com/2012/10/29/florida-early-vote-totals-revised-raising-questions/?fb_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fthegrio.com%2F

11/1/2012 8:28:15 PM

we really need a national ID card problem solved.

11/1/2012 8:32:25 PM

Racist.

11/2/2012 10:03:13 AM

National ID card is a different deal y0willy, because everybody would have to make a trip to the DMV to get one, not just people in cities for whom driving a car isn't a life necessity.

11/2/2012 10:32:54 AM

You're fine with that? I think most reasonable people would be, but I also see Democrats shitting a brick about it in the future if it comes to pass.

11/2/2012 10:49:26 AM

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"You're fine with that? I think most reasonable people would be,"

Well, I'd be a bit bothered by the National ID card because of the whole "papers, citizen" stuff, another government database for me to be in, etc.

But as far as discrimination goes, no, it's not be nearly as egregious as using drivers licenses, provided there was a long span (Like 2-4 years) for people to get the card, it was completely free, it had a long expiration date, and everybody had to make a trip to get one.

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"but I also see Democrats shitting a brick about it in the future if it comes to pass."

Some might, but if you actually listen to them when they complain about Voter ID, their problems are usually in line with either A) this is being demanded right before the election for obvious reasons and B) it imposes an additional burden that disproportionately lies on Democratic voters.

If the additional burden applies to everybody, that's way more defensible. How, for example, would Republicans react if the rule was "In order to vote you must bring a public transit bus transfer stub"?

Ideally, it'd be something that would be handled via house-call, to equalize the burden between people who live close to a DMV and those who don't (and those with/without cars). Maybe census workers could take your fingerprint in addition to your information, and you'd receive a card in the mail a few weeks later that would be good until the next census. The fingerprint would be a stand-in for address, since that could change between each census.


[Edited on November 2, 2012 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2012 10:55:33 AM

Census workers don't personally reach every person in the country though, so that wouldn't be perfect, but you get the idea. I'm cool with a National ID card as long as it has no cost, minimal burden to obtain, and something that everybody would have to obtain and would only be useful for voting. Once you make it something dual-purpose, like a driver's license, the burden necessarily shifts to certain demographics depending on what that other purpose is.

[Edited on November 2, 2012 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2012 11:04:33 AM

I'm pretty sure too many Democrats still wouldn't make the cut. This won't happen.

11/2/2012 6:07:41 PM

just got confirmation. my vote got counted YAY!!!voted against all the Florida constitutional amendments!! FUCK YOU old ladies, veterans, churches. Pay your fucking share, bitches.

11/2/2012 8:10:36 PM

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"Investigators today arrested a Southern Nevada woman suspected of trying to vote twice this week at two different polling locations. Roxanne Rubin was taken into custody as she arrived for work at the Riviera hotel-casino, investigators said. Rubin, 56, is a registered Republican who lives in Henderson, according to the Clark County Registrar. Rubin allegedly cast a vote Monday at the Anthem Community Center in Henderson. Later that day, she tried to vote a second time at an early voting location on Eastern Avenue, investigators said."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/02/southern-nevada-woman-arrested-suspicion-trying-vo/

11/3/2012 3:13:27 AM

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"I'm pretty sure too many Democrats still wouldn't make the cut. This won't happen."

I think most would if it met the criteria I listed, perhaps you're not listening to the arguments they're actually making? There are specific reasons they say current Voter ID proposals are discriminatory, it's not just something they say because "racism's" a big mean dirty word, as much as it simplifies the Republican thought process to assume so.

11/3/2012 6:45:21 PM