A little over two weeks ago, my wife found a puppy in our yard. He was really skinny, lethargic, and seemed generally out of it. I took him to the animal shelter to get him scanned for a chip, and he didn't have one. They said to get him to the vet immediately, so I did.

He was malnourished, dehydrated, and had a skin infection, intestinal worms, giardia, and parvo. He also has a generally fucked up rear end (tail broken in two places, hips at an angle rather than parallel to each other) which the vet said was some combination of birth defects and trauma (she said sometimes the mother will attack the puppies causing injuries like this). The vet said he was probably 8 weeks old, but it was hard to tell because he was so malnourished.

Anyways, vaccinations, medicine, subcutaneous fluids, and about $300 later and he's 100% better. In the two weeks we've had him, he's grown a huge amount (from 8 to 13 pounds), doesn't have that Ethiopian baby look, and gets along great with our other dogs. We've gotten several friends offer to take him, but we're keeping him for a few more weeks at least.

My next door neighbor keeps a million dogs in his back yard, but it didn't even occur to me that this was one of his due to the extreme state the dog was in. I don't approve of keeping dogs out like that, but I've gotta live next to this guy and, unfortunately, it isn't illegal.

That being said, I just came home and saw his kids playing with a puppy who looked IDENTICAL to this dog except that it didn't appear to be at death's door. There is no doubt in my mind that we have his dog, and I don't really know how to handle it.

He hasn't mentioned that they're missing a dog (which he has done before when one of theirs got loose), but what should I do if he asks if we have his dog? My first instinct is to punch him in his fucking face, but I think that might be against the law. I'm thinking about talking to him about it, but honestly I know it won't go well and, again, I have to live next to this piece of shit.

Animal control, in my experience, won't do shit (see previous thread, /message_topic.aspx?topic=525578), and if I call them he'll know it was me (bringing me back to the previous point of things not going well).

HOW THE HELL DO YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE THIS SHITTY, TWW?

11/18/2012 5:38:27 PM

If he says something to you, tell him it will cost $300 to get the dog back (plus whatever else you have invested in the dog) due to the neglect, malnourishment and general state the dog was in because of HIS lack of responsibility. Tell him the dog had no tags, no chip, no identification and was wandering stray and that he would need to provide proof of ownership before even thinking of selling the dog back to him.

If he threatens to take it up with the authorities, grab your phone and offer to do it for him while mentioning that they should meet him in his backyard with you to discuss the issue amongst the dozen or so other neglected matters.

You won't see him again.

11/18/2012 5:55:20 PM

what does it matter exactly what you say, or if you piss the neighbor off? this is a clear case of neglect and you should confront them about it.

11/18/2012 5:57:52 PM

Oh yeah, and fuck him. Why do you worry about pissing him off? He's a horrible human being who should have the floor end of a broomstick rammed up his ass.

11/18/2012 5:59:51 PM

What would Jesus do?

11/18/2012 6:10:57 PM

Wreck this fool, I guess.

11/18/2012 6:17:36 PM

if all else fails, you can call PETA and they will harass him nonstop.

11/18/2012 6:18:33 PM

sometimes i think that YOU PEOPLE who say you should just confront him about it must not own a house or plan to live where you are long term...because if you did/are, you'd realize that you can't just go up to someone you have to see on a regular basis and tell them off whether it's warranted or not

if they don't mind treating animals like absolute shit, they're not going to think twice about making your life hell because you pissed them off...so you're still out the money from being a decent person and taking care of the dog and you didn't accomplish a single thing except making a bad situation worse

if you could somehow get him into trouble or harassed by a group like PETA without him knowing it was you, do it...if not, just try to ignore him because you can't do anything about it

11/18/2012 6:35:20 PM

So you're a pussy? Got it.

If they can make your life hell, you can too. Slashed tires, shit disappearing, 6 am wake up calls, ect.

11/18/2012 6:42:51 PM

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"So you're a pussy? Got it."

so you don't own your own home? got it.

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"If they can make your life hell, you can too. Slashed tires, shit disappearing, 6 am wake up calls, ect."

that will surely work out well

11/18/2012 6:44:46 PM

It's called blowback, merbig. I'm certain you've heard of it.

11/18/2012 6:45:01 PM

in a battle of douchebaggery between the guy willing to subject "a million" dogs to a borderline abusive conditions and the guy who is willing to drop $300 to save a single puppy's life, the first is going to win EVERY SINGLE TIME

it sucks, don't get me wrong...but it's just the way the world is

11/18/2012 6:47:01 PM

tough spot, it will be difficult to do anything "anonymously" as long as you have one of the pups.

11/18/2012 6:51:03 PM

There is also legal action you can take if they fuck with you as well. It's easy to do nothing. If you want to live your life letting people shit on you because you're scared of the repercussions, then that's your choice.

But my family has never let people just walk on us. Misbehaving animals? Police, then anti-freeze. It's cruel, but if people don't want to handle their shit, why let it interfere with our life. Get a fucking backbone. Nice doesn't always work. Start out nice, and then escalate from there.

11/18/2012 6:52:31 PM

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"There is also legal action you can take if they fuck with you as well. It's easy to do nothing. If you want to live your life letting people shit on you because you're scared of the repercussions, then that's your choice. But my family has never let people just walk on us. Misbehaving animals? Police, then anti-freeze. It's cruel, but if people don't want to handle their shit, why let it interfere with our life. Get a fucking backbone. Nice doesn't always work. Start out nice, and then escalate from there. "

war, war, war, war, war, war, micro-diplomacy, more war!


For the record, that guy isn't shitting on him. He's *possibly* shitting on dogs.
and it's really none of his business. If he wants to make it his business, it better be worth it the money he'll be spending in possible property damages and legal costs.

11/18/2012 6:59:06 PM

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"There is also legal action you can take if they fuck with you as well. It's easy to do nothing. If you want to live your life letting people shit on you because you're scared of the repercussions, then that's your choice."

you advocated retaliatory actions ("If they can make your life hell, you can too. Slashed tires, shit disappearing, 6 am wake up calls, ect.")...and now say that you can take legal action if they do as much to you

are you really this stupid? yes, you CAN do all of those things, but it serves no purpose whatsoever (except bragging to your redneck friends about how tuff you are while shotgunning silver bullet, i mean)

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"But my family has never let people just walk on us. Misbehaving animals? Police, then anti-freeze. It's cruel, but if people don't want to handle their shit, why let it interfere with our life. Get a fucking backbone. Nice doesn't always work. Start out nice, and then escalate from there."

if you're actually still 24 as your profile suggests, i'm going to chalk up your reaction to immaturity

adults do a cost-benefit analysis before making something into an issue...in this case, there is likely no benefit and a great deal of potential cost

do i condone the mistreatment of animals? of course not...i don't know if my thread is still around or not, but i had a similar situation and what it comes down to is "you can't do shit"...it sucks, but it's life

11/18/2012 7:11:35 PM

Anyways... Ignoring that asinine post that was GeniuSxBoY's above...

Let me get a bit more into detail. First of all, the neighbor hasn't even claimed the dog or come looking for it. Odds are, they don't miss it.

I think it's clear that spöokyjon has a few options if confronted regarding the dog. To me, spöokyjon has invested money into the dog and as clearly saved its life from an otherwise life of neglect. He can give the dog back, keep the peace. But nothing was gained, or accomplished. He's obviously trying to avoid any confrontation, but if you do care about the well-being of the dogs and are tired of seeing them out there neglected (plus, I wouldn't be surprised if they bark at night and annoy you), then doing nothing will change nothing.

It's obvious animal control isn't going to do anything. They don't have the time or resources to try and build a case against these people, and neither are the police. If you want to do something without being aggressive, you could start documenting the neglect with pictures/video. It's not like you're in a situation where they are just being asshole neighbors and just leaving their dogs outside to annoy the shit out of you.

You have a vet who can vouch for the condition of the animal. You can probably get him to come out to your house and look at the dogs from your side of the property. He will probably have more pull in getting something done if an expert can attest to there being actual neglect and malnourishment instead of a typical "dogs are barking, neighbor won't shut them up, please to help?" call.

How many dogs are we talking about anyway? 4 or 5?

If you piss them off with your persistence for them to take care of their dogs, so what? If they do nothing back to you, people you don't like won't like you in return.


My parents were in a similar situation where they had two neighbors behind them leave their dogs outside all night barking. The neighbors got some complaints and to try to remedy the situation, they got more dogs (you know, because the other dogs were lonely). It didn't work. So they tried being nice and reasonable that they don't want to hear the dogs while they sleep. They tried animal control (in SC, they need two or more people to complain together). My parent's neighbors refused, as they just wanted to "keep the peace." So after about a year of putting up with this shit, my father bought an ultrasonic dog silencer that emmitted a high pitch noise to get the dogs to shut the fuck up (we had a dog at the time as well, just don't point it towards your dog, point it away from the house, and your own dogs won't be bothered by it). It worked! They finally got silence. At first they had it on all day, then they started dialing it back and eventually used it as a correction tool.

However, the neighbors figured out what was going on and called the police on my father. What did he do? He showed them the device the first time, explained the situation and the officer gave my parents his condolences and left. They called the police various times, and after a while my father just denied having it. There was nothing they could do and the neighbors couldn't prove anything. Eventually, it escalated to the point that one night the dogs were barking, and my mother went over there and just banged on their door and gave them a piece of her mind. They were understandably pissed, but they brought the dogs inside. It happened again, she went over there and they didn't answer the door after beating and banging on it. So she got them the next day and gave her a piece of her mind again.

Eventually they go the point that they were going to continue to be assholes unless they did something about their dogs. One neighbor decided to move out and the others figured out how to bring their dog inside.

If you want to keep the peace, do so. It's your choice. But don't bitch and moan about how they're assholes, and don't come here seeking pity. You have a choice to do something about it and address it. What's the worse that could happen? They look at you angrily? You think they will fuck with your car or torch your house? LOL. They ain't gonna do shit.

[Edited on November 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM. Reason : ^ Read what my parents did. You CAN do shit. It just requires a spine, which you don't have.]

[Edited on November 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2012 7:26:58 PM

what city/county are you in?

11/18/2012 7:33:59 PM

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"Read what my parents did. You CAN do shit. It just requires a spine, which you don't have."

i swear i hope i never have a child as dumb as you...with the exception of the fact that the word "dog" was mentioned, the OP has not indicated that they are in the same position as your parents

do you have anything relevant to contribute, or are you just gonna keep trying to be e-tuff?

11/18/2012 7:40:59 PM

spöokyjon: can you see over his fence to check the health of the animals in the backyard? If so, can you record some video with your iphone and upload it if they look unhealthy?

We can post that video to 4chan

11/18/2012 7:44:50 PM

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"i swear i hope i never have a child as dumb as you...with the exception of the fact that the word "dog" was mentioned, the OP has not indicated that they are in the same position as your parents"

I never said that he was in the same position as my parents. I used the word "similar," in that my parents had a case of animal neglect behind them that was interfering in their life.

Maybe if you would have bothered to click and look at the other thread, you would have seen that, fucktard.

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"Here it is two days later, and I could hardly sleep last night because the poor thing was crying and whining all night."

Maybe the noise is no longer a problem, I don't know. But to sit here and call me dumb because I provided a relevant anecdote regarding a similar situation is not what I would call "mature," as you were quick to point out about yourself.

By the way, there is nothing "immature" about handling a situation. However, avoiding confrontation and letting people piss you off and have a negative impact on your life is anything but "mature."

Mr. Maturity, you do this shit all the fucking time. If someone doesn't share the same opinion as yours or live up to a standard of "maturity" that you don't live up to yourself, you tell them to go away (as you did in your thread).

Now I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as yours, but don't try to act superior or better than me because you choose to be a passive aggressive douche bag who refuses to stand up for yourself and who is more concerned about making other people happy because you can't stand conflict. That is, after all, why you told me to go away, because you don't like that I disagree with you, and that while you have no qualms about telling me how "wrong" I am, you don't like that I stand up to your bully tactics of trying to put me down for having a spine.

Go fuck yourself.

spöokyjon, do what will make YOU happy and make a decision that you can live with for the rest of your life. Maybe your decision may not be the easiest one to make, and maybe it will have some negative repercussions, but as long as you know you made the morally right decision, then that's the best you can do. Maybe being a coward is the easiest choice, it usually is. But if everyone was a coward, then assholes would rule the neighborhood doing whatever the hell their trailer trash selves wants to do with little regard for anyone or anything else. But it is your life, so live it.

11/18/2012 8:05:47 PM

merbig with the superslam

11/18/2012 8:09:03 PM

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"I used the word "similar," in that my parents had a case of animal neglect behind them that was interfering in their life."

how is it similar? your mommy and daddy's problems stemmed from an interruption in their lives that was out of their control...the OP did not say the dogs were barking, did not say that the dogs themselves were causing disruption outside of their personal feelings that dogs should not be kept as they are (which, from the way it sounds, is not illegal, just shitty)

your parents' issue was actionable, this one is not...that is not "similar", you idiot

i'm fairly certain you can't discern the difference because they both involve dogs and neighbors and that's about as far as your simple mind can go

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"Now I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as yours, but don't try to act superior or better than me because you choose to be a passive aggressive douche bag who refuses to stand up for yourself and who is more concerned about making other people happy because you can't stand conflict. That is, after all, why you told me to go away, because you don't like that I disagree with you, and that while you have no qualms about telling me how "wrong" I am, you don't like that I stand up to your bully tactics of trying to put me down for having a spine."

oh, but i AM superior to you...of that i have no doubt

go ask a cop who's been a cop more than a month whether confrontation is always the right answer, you neanderthal

i'm amused that i think i'm bullying you, though...it's not bullying to point out that the difference between reality and machismo...you're simply some redneck who can't do anything but talk about how tuff his daddy is and can't offer anything but to engage in some ineffective pissing contest with someone you have to live next to, likely for no gain whatsoever

go cry to your mommy and maybe she'll come talk to me about how i'm hurting your feelings and you're feeling bullied, okay?

but hey, i'm going to leave now...i'm sure it's because i'm spineless and terrified that you're gonna come knock on my door and yell at me for suggesting that confrontation isn't always the answer to every problem in the world and that it makes me a pussy...and i'm okay with that

the OP doesn't strike me as someone who's going to start slashing tires and make calls to their neighbor's house at 2am like you suggested, but maybe in a fit of rage (something i'm sure you can identify with), he'll throw a pipe bomb through their windows as payback for having too many dogs

[Edited on November 18, 2012 at 8:30 PM. Reason : you win, i'm too scared to go on anymore ]

11/18/2012 8:21:21 PM

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"your parents' issue was actionable, this one is not...that is not "similar", you idiot i'm fairly certain you can't discern the difference because they both involve dogs and neighbors and that's about as far as your simple mind can go"

I don't discern the difference because they both involve negligent actions by their owners. To say this is not "actionable" only goes to exemplify you as a shitty human being who is only concerned with yourself.

To sit here and say that a neighbor, who BLATANTLY abuses animals, of which you have to put up with them trying to escape, is not actionable only shows how much of a pussy you are!

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"go ask a cop who's been a cop more than a month whether confrontation is always the right answer, you neanderthal"

And there you go again, trying to put words in my mouth in order to make some point against something I never said. When did I say that confrontation is always the right answer? WHEN?

What do you do if someone's being an asshole to you? Call the police? Go to HR? Jeeze, you must be a joy to work with because you can't handle your problems yourself. There's nothing wrong with confronting someone, it is the manner in which you do it. I'm sorry your pathetic ass has been taught that confrontation=bad.

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"i'm amused that i think i'm bullying you, though...it's not bullying to point out that the difference between reality and machismo...you're simply some redneck who can't do anything but talk about how tuff his daddy is and can't offer anything but to engage in some ineffective pissing contest with someone you have to live next to, likely for no gain whatsoever "

Tuff? Dude, you totally missed my point, so I will spell it out for you. No matter how nice you may try to be, some people are assholes. You can either choose to stand your ground and fight back, assuming any negative consequences or do nothing and live with it. You started in with the pompous display of "well I guess none of you have ever owned a house," so I'm ending it with it doesn't fucking matter whether you own a house or not. This is about not being a pussy and standing your ground.

And who's saying to engage in an ineffective pissing contest? For my parents, it fucking worked. I'm not proposing that he do anything ineffective. On the contrary, I'm proposing that he do something that will be effective. Documenting neglect, asking a vet to give his expert advice and to make a claim of abuse is anything but ineffective. To say he has nothing to gain is just stupid, unless you think saving dogs from neglect and having the satisfaction of doing the right thing than to be a coward (your proposal, pussy), is "nothing." We get it dude, you're afraid of confrontation.

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"go cry to your mommy and maybe she'll come talk to me about how i'm hurting your feelings and you're feeling bullied, okay?"

Oh, you don't like being called out for what you are? What would I cry about? I'm handling you just fine.

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"oh, but i AM superior to you...of that i have no doubt"

LOL. No you're not. You use the guise of your pusillanimous actions to give you credence towards your "maturity." Fact is, you are immature (see this discussion of ours as proof). Fact is, if we were having this conversation face to face, you would have walked away by now, but not because you're "superior," but because you're a pussy who is scared to confrontation. You see, you will want to keep coming back and arguing with me, just as you're doing in this thread, but face-to-face, you would retreat.

So far, all you've had to offer spöokyjon is that he should keep the peace. If that's all you've got, then perhaps your should GTFO, as you actually have no solution to his dilemma.

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"the OP doesn't strike me as someone who's going to start slashing tires and make calls to their neighbor's house at 2am like you suggested, but maybe in a fit of rage (something i'm sure you can identify with), he'll throw a pipe bomb through their windows as payback for having too many dogs "

Right... Because that is EXACTLY what I was telling him to do. I certainly wasn't recommending:

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"If he says something to you, tell him it will cost $300 to get the dog back (plus whatever else you have invested in the dog) due to the neglect, malnourishment and general state the dog was in because of HIS lack of responsibility. Tell him the dog had no tags, no chip, no identification and was wandering stray and that he would need to provide proof of ownership before even thinking of selling the dog back to him. If he threatens to take it up with the authorities, grab your phone and offer to do it for him while mentioning that they should meet him in his backyard with you to discuss the issue amongst the dozen or so other neglected matters."

Of which your only argument against is that the neighbor might retaliate...

[Edited on November 18, 2012 at 8:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2012 8:46:45 PM

Document, document, document, and report them. Be prepared for fallout. You will have more say in this situation if all of your ducks are in a row: you own the house, your house and yard appear well-taken care of, and you can articulate the situation in a manner that impresses upon the authorities that this guy with his dogs is a public nuisance and will cost the taxpayers more money in the long run (catching stray dogs, euthanizing them, etc.).

You have to live according to your morals and principles. Good luck.

11/19/2012 5:12:45 PM

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"GeniuSxBoY All American 16291 Posts user info edit post spöokyjon: can you see over his fence to check the health of the animals in the backyard? If so, can you record some video with your iphone and upload it if they look unhealthy? We can post that video to 4chan "

He better be 190% sure of his allegations before releasing the hounds from Hell lol

11/19/2012 5:51:14 PM

I live in a "transition" neighborhood...meaning there are about 3 or 4 hood houses still left on this street. One of them is next to me and they mistreat their dogs pretty bad (leave them out all day tied to a tree whether it's 100 degrees or 0). I want to say something, but the guy is a known drug dealer who is in and out of jail on a continuous basis for gun and drug charges. We get along well...for now.

merbig would get me shot.

11/19/2012 6:14:05 PM