Happening now. 2 shooters, 1 dead, 1 missing I believe.

Hopefully someone with a CCW license is nearby

12/14/2012 10:57:05 AM

If the kids at the elementary school had been armed, much of this could have been avoided...

12/14/2012 10:58:40 AM

One side: Ban all guns.

Other side: Arm everyone.

Fight.

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 11:50 AM. Reason : shooter is dead]

12/14/2012 11:44:44 AM

OMG, did I just hear 27 dead, including 14 children?

12/14/2012 12:41:03 PM

^

o.O

12/14/2012 12:43:09 PM

what the fuck.

12/14/2012 12:43:35 PM

19 children 8 adults?!

12/14/2012 12:48:08 PM

WAT?

12/14/2012 12:50:52 PM

you guys need to slow the fuck down until the news can actually report with accuracy.

12/14/2012 12:53:45 PM

It's a message board. Not a newspaper.

Either way, this makes me sick.

12/14/2012 12:55:12 PM

holy crap

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting_n_2300831.html

12/14/2012 12:58:06 PM

omg I just heard about this

"We're told "close to 20" people are dead, including at least 10 children"

i can't imagine something like that happening at the elementary school I coach at so awful

12/14/2012 1:02:13 PM

this shit has got to stop

my god

12/14/2012 1:03:29 PM

I think they're about to do a press conference

Interesting that they took out the principal and a few administrators

I think the most interesting part is that their school day starts at 9am

12/14/2012 1:04:28 PM

What the hell is wrong with people

12/14/2012 1:05:03 PM

why are handguns legal again?

12/14/2012 1:05:18 PM

I'm guessing the administrators were not ccw holders

12/14/2012 1:06:02 PM

punchmonk was the one to tell me that this was going down

18 children

12/14/2012 1:07:59 PM

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"why are handguns legal again?"

don't worry, this was the patriotic action of a well-regulated militia

12/14/2012 1:09:11 PM

You, I really wish these kind of absolute tragedies would be regarded first as that. A tragedy. Not as another grenade in the issue of gun control.

Sometimes I really wonder .....

12/14/2012 1:09:12 PM

over 100 rounds fired

12/14/2012 1:11:07 PM

iop1

for the longest time CNN said only 2 adults were killed, then it suddenly updated...unreal

12/14/2012 1:12:22 PM

Gov Malloy is at the school

12/14/2012 1:12:33 PM

oh god

I'm listening to nbc right now. what the fuck.

12/14/2012 1:13:42 PM

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"You, I really wish these kind of absolute tragedies would be regarded first as that. A tragedy. Not as another grenade in the issue of gun control. Sometimes I really wonder ....."

so when is it cool to start the conversation, then?

you just want to ho hum ignore this shit?

over a HUNDRED FUCKING ROUNDS, come on.

12/14/2012 1:13:46 PM

Those poor parents man... this is beyond tragic

12/14/2012 1:14:42 PM

^^ jon stewart just did a piece on this recently on TDS.

If anything, politicians in general NEVER actually politicize this type of thing. Almost to a fault...

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM. Reason : x]

12/14/2012 1:15:26 PM

Fucking terrible, G's.

12/14/2012 1:15:41 PM

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"You, I really wish these kind of absolute tragedies would be regarded first as that. A tragedy. Not as another grenade in the issue of gun control. Sometimes I really wonder ....."

It sucks and seems a little insensitive, I agree.

But at the same time, these issues are never discussed until they are thrust in people's faces. Of course it's a tragedy, but it's not just some unpreventable tragedy where you say "shit happens."

Whether you are pro or anti gun control, things like this are a reminder of why we desperately need to figure out why these things keep happening in America disproportionate to other comparable nations.

12/14/2012 1:16:10 PM

That really isn't that many. And only a ~27% hit ratio?

With a kitchen knife he could have killed many more, and not have attracted as much attention.

Laws don't stop the crazy.

12/14/2012 1:16:32 PM

I just keep thinking about how these kids were probably really excited about the holidays and christmas coming up

just breaks my heart


wtf

12/14/2012 1:16:59 PM

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"With a kitchen knife he could have killed many more"

get the fuck out of here

12/14/2012 1:17:52 PM

Makes me fucking sick

12/14/2012 1:22:17 PM

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"Laws don't stop the crazy."

this is true...but from my perspective, stricter gun laws stop the less crazy and determined from EASILY committing atrocities like this

will a terrorist or gang thug still be able to get a gun illegally? of course...but much like not leaving your car doors unlocked prevents the opportunistic thief from stealing whatever valuables you left in the car while you ran inside the store for a few minutes, stricter gun control would prevent at least SOME violence (or so it seems to me)

and the argument about how concealed carry should be more available and less restricted (in terms of places a gun can be carried)? i know the CC proponents think that would suddenly make everyone a sharpshooting hero who will stop crime in progress or from happening altogether, but that's just ridiculous

12/14/2012 1:22:49 PM

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"Whether you are pro or anti gun control, things like this are a reminder of why we desperately need to figure out why these things keep happening in America disproportionate to other comparable nations."

http://www.iamforkids.org/school-shootings-lets-not-forget-the-others/

^what science/statistics is your perspective based on?

Laws don't mean shit. You think someone who is willing to commit murder is afraid of a gun law, or any other law for that matter?

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM. Reason : jank]

12/14/2012 1:24:15 PM

Attacker 22 year old male with ties to the school

12/14/2012 1:25:40 PM

^http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/why-does-america-lead-the-world-in-school-shootings/

12/14/2012 1:26:29 PM

Quote :

"That really isn't that many. And only a ~27% hit ratio? With a kitchen knife he could have killed many more, and not have attracted as much attention. Laws don't stop the crazy."

what in the fuck is wrong with you? that many?

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM. Reason : unreal]

12/14/2012 1:26:42 PM

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"22 year old male"

why the fuck does this seem to always be the demographic of mass shooters.

12/14/2012 1:27:22 PM

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"so when is it cool to start the conversation, then? you just want to ho hum ignore this shit? over a HUNDRED FUCKING ROUNDS, come on."

you know full well that's not what i meant.

i'm talking about the people that forget that this is first about the people that lost their lives - not about gun control.

12/14/2012 1:27:44 PM

^^

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" As for demographics, the mass murderer is typically a white male, a loner, has a college degree or some college, from a relatively stable background and from an upper-middle to middle class family. They often aspire to more than they can handle, then form a hatred and blame others if they fail. Also, they are much more likely to suffer from a mental illness, specifically some type of psychosis."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201207/mass-murders-are-the-rise

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"According to a study of adolescent mass murderers (who killed over three people and were under 19 years of age), they are most often white males (79%) with a median age of 17, and they have a history of reclusive behavior as opposed to violent behavior. The majority of them were reported to be people who kept to themselves, often focusing more on books, dreams, videogames and brooding inside their inner worlds than real social connections with their fellow students, friends and families. This study is based on multiple source data gathered about 27 incidents of this kind, between 1955 and 1999."

http://brainblogger.com/2011/04/18/mass-murderer-psychology-the-patterns-of-horror/

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM. Reason : jank]

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"The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. "

http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/24/the-overwhelming-maleness-of-mass-homicide/

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM. Reason : jank]

12/14/2012 1:29:47 PM

BULLET CONTROL! BULLET CONTROL!

WE NEED TO CONTROL THE BULLETS!

12/14/2012 1:32:08 PM

Quote :

"what science/statistics is your perspective based on? Laws don't mean shit. You think someone who is willing to commit murder is afraid of a gun law, or any other law for that matter?"

did you not read what i wrote? i'm quite aware that someone who is willing to commit murder is not afraid of the law, and i said as much

but to pretend that all crimes are performed by people the same psychological state is unrealistic...there is a reason the law differentiates between first- and second-degree murder and yes, i truly believe that stricter gun control will, even if only a little, cut down on the number of second-degree incidents

if you disagree, that's fine

12/14/2012 1:35:09 PM

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"The majority of them were reported to be people who kept to themselves, often focusing more on books, dreams, videogames and brooding inside their inner worlds than real social connections with their fellow students, friends and families."

More and more technology making us less dependant on real life interaction is going to brood more of these types of people.

12/14/2012 1:35:31 PM

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"this is first about the people that lost their lives - not about gun control"

well, yeah, but i don't know any of the people, i don't live in the community or the state. i'm sad that people lost their lives, but this is precisely when gun control needs to be talked about, when there are mass killings of people by a crazy person easily able to get guns and lots of ammunition.

12/14/2012 1:35:42 PM

^^^so you're implying this is a second degree murder case? this isn't an opportunistic act of violence

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM. Reason : a]

12/14/2012 1:35:43 PM

teachers and administrators should be able to carry.

12/14/2012 1:37:43 PM

If only those kids were allowed to carry on campus....

12/14/2012 1:37:51 PM

haha. or perhaps the teachers?

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/14/2012 1:38:36 PM

^^^thinking back to all the teachers and administrators i had growing up, i'm not sure how many of them i would want carrying guns to school.

[Edited on December 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ]

12/14/2012 1:39:05 PM