In taft, california. For fucks sake. There are some sick, evil people in this world.

[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2013 1:19:01 PM

Eventually people will learn that publicizing == copy cats. People will stop doing it (as often) if they know their name won't go up in lights as a result.

1/10/2013 1:20:54 PM

ibtshitstorm

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iop1

1/10/2013 1:25:07 PM

Link?

1/10/2013 1:28:06 PM

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"There are some sick, evil people in this world."

For sure. I think the big conundrum is how to best restrict their access to guns.

1/10/2013 1:28:32 PM

link please!

1/10/2013 1:29:36 PM

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"Eventually people will learn that publicizing == copy cats. People will stop doing it (as often) if they know their name won't go up in lights as a result."

that will never happen. it makes media more and more money, so they'll continue to try to be the first to break any new "information". it's just going to get worse.

1/10/2013 1:29:49 PM

I think the big conundrum is how to restrict their access to the rest of us.

1/10/2013 1:30:48 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/10/16449709-two-reported-shot-at-california-high-school?lite

1/10/2013 1:31:12 PM

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"that will never happen. it makes media more and more money, so they'll continue to try to be the first to break any new "information". it's just going to get worse."

They can report on it. They just need to not mention the shooter. They need to not dig up his entire history. They need not analyze every aspect of his life on tv. They have to stop giving him so much attention for the act.

1/10/2013 1:32:37 PM

1. hear about shooting
2. everyone complains about gun laws
3. everyone mourns the dead
4. big debate over gun laws takes place
5. nothing changes
6. new shooting takes place

rinse repeat

round and round we go!

1/10/2013 1:33:33 PM

I think I saw a science fiction movie about that once, NRR. It involved tom cruise using weird fortune tellers who could predict crime before it happened. I think there was an explosion or something....

1/10/2013 1:33:33 PM

1/10/2013 1:38:37 PM

Seriously.... Why don't they just lock up all the dangerous people BEFORE they commit crimes that victimize the rest of us?!

1/10/2013 1:43:11 PM

2 people shot at a high school in Killafornia and that qualifies as a "school shooting" now? Thats just another day on the left coast

1/10/2013 1:53:59 PM

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"1. hear about shooting 2. everyone complains about gun laws 3. everyone mourns the dead 4. big debate over gun laws takes place 5. nothing changes 6. new shooting takes place rinse repeat round and round we go!"

What do you propose we do to prevent this from happening again?

1/10/2013 1:55:23 PM

....and now I've got Tupac stuck in my head

1/10/2013 1:56:21 PM

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"2 people shot at a high school in Killafornia and that qualifies as a "school shooting" now? Thats just another day on the left coast"

yup. thus far, only two shot, no reported deaths.

we're going to need a lot more torment than that if you people are trying to sell more papers.

1/10/2013 2:05:10 PM

Do you remember where you were when Carlton shot Will?

When will it stop?

1/10/2013 3:40:27 PM

^i thought will jumped in front of carlton because he was about to get shot

1/10/2013 4:19:48 PM

Just outside of Buck Owen's hometown, where he pioneered the "Bakersfield Sound"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyDNf_Qk3lQ

1/10/2013 4:30:30 PM

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"There are some sick, evil people in this world."

welcome to Earth

we hope you enjoy your stay

1/10/2013 4:31:59 PM

I like the lack of media coverage on this one...

1/10/2013 5:31:28 PM

it's only because there was only one person shot and nobody killed.

1/10/2013 5:36:28 PM

plus it was a shotgun

1/10/2013 5:41:51 PM

this from the state with the most restrictive gun laws in the country

1/10/2013 5:49:24 PM

^one could argue that he would have done a lot more damage with an assualt rifle

1/10/2013 5:56:40 PM

And they would be wrong.
Besides, magazines over 10 rounds have long been banned from use/ownership/possession in CA (unless you already had them before the ban)

Shotguns are a devastating weapon at close range. That is why the police/military use them to shoot through bolted doors.

1/10/2013 5:58:43 PM

i didnt know that

1/10/2013 6:00:28 PM

^^^only by virtue of larger mag capacity

1/10/2013 6:04:32 PM

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"And they would be wrong. Besides, magazines over 10 rounds have long been banned from use/ownership/possession in CA (unless you already had them before the ban)"

How in the fuck do you know this?

1/10/2013 6:15:05 PM

people who argue that it'd be just as easy to kill lots of people with a shotgun vs. an assault rifle are biased and illogically arguing. the fact that a shotgun can shoot through bolted doors doesn't support your argument. if this kid came in with an assault rifle and sprayed multiple shots trying to hit this one guy, he could have easily (and even accidentally) hit others. with a shotgun, he has to load it, aim, shoot, load it again, aim, shoot....

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"^^^only by virtue of larger mag capacity"

well yeah, that's the point

[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2013 6:23:00 PM

^it's cute that you think you know what you're talking about.

reloading after every shot? needing to aim?

1/10/2013 6:27:10 PM

while thinking about how cute i am, i hope you don't miss the point.

1/10/2013 6:29:50 PM

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"How in the fuck do you know this?"

it's rather common knowledge for gun enthusiasts

1/10/2013 6:32:09 PM

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"with a shotgun, he has to load it, aim, shoot, load it again, aim, shoot...."

with a single break-barrel, sure

not a 12-round mag saiga

^I think he means "htf do you know they had it before the ban?"

[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2013 6:32:25 PM

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"2 people shot at a high school in Killafornia and that qualifies as a "school shooting" now?"

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"talked into surrendering by a teacher and another staff member, officials said."

This is why it didn't escalate into something much worse.

1/10/2013 6:35:58 PM

^and it sounds like he was going after one person. he wasn't massacring for the sake of massacring.

1/10/2013 6:37:16 PM

This is why we should ban guns and treat every US citizen as a criminal. The only people that can be trusted are military personal and politicians.

1/10/2013 6:40:06 PM

i think very, very, very few would make that argument. very few.

1/10/2013 6:41:15 PM

^
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characterized by bitter or scornful derision; mocking; cynical; sneering: a sardonic grin.

[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM. Reason : would I ever really trust a politician]

1/10/2013 6:44:28 PM

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"How in the fuck do you know this?"

besides being common knowledge in the firearm world, I used to live there.

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"people who argue that it'd be just as easy to kill lots of people with a shotgun vs. an assault rifle are biased and illogically arguing. the fact that a shotgun can shoot through bolted doors doesn't support your argument."

It is when the discussion is close range damage.

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"with a shotgun, he has to load it, aim, shoot, load it again, aim, shoot...."

This has been addressed, but it is absolutely incorrect.



To me, it appears that he targeted one or two students (bullying will later be blamed) and then he gave himself up.

1/10/2013 6:47:28 PM

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"it sounds like he was going after one person. he wasn't massacring for the sake of massacring."

that was my point with my earlier comment...while this technically was a 'school shooting' since it was a shooting that occurred at a school, its far from some kind of shooting spree like virginia tech or columbine or sandy hook or texas bell tower

1/10/2013 6:48:52 PM

1/10/2013 6:49:42 PM

iop1

1/10/2013 6:54:00 PM

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"one could argue that he would have done a lot more damage with an assualt rifle"

[NO]

If you want to kill people in a classroom, a 12-gauge shotgun is the weapon to do it with. That is the most devastating weapon he could have used for that attack. How he didn't kill anyone is beyond me...maybe he wasn't using the correct size shot?

1/10/2013 8:36:59 PM

maybe birdshot? combined with the fact that the kid was 16 and probably wasn't the greatest shot (lucky for everyone involved)

1/10/2013 8:42:02 PM

I was under the impression one doesn't have to be a terribly accurate shot when using a shotgun

1/10/2013 8:45:10 PM

it is the truest "point and click" weapon, short of a blunderbuss (which is really just another form of shotgun)

1/10/2013 8:47:20 PM

^^ Ehhh...it requires significantly less precision than a rifle, but you definitely still have to aim. The shot spreads a lot less than most people think. It's not a wide cloud of death and destruction.

A hit from a 12-gauge loaded with 0, 00, or 000 (or hell, even #1) buckshot would be horribly devastating at close range. It's the weapon I'd opt for in such a scenario. In fact, the weapon I purchased specifically for home defense (similar ranges to a classroom) was a 12-gauge shotgun.


At across-a-classroom distances, I'd guess something on the order of 5" of dispersion, give or take a little depending on choke and maybe somewhat on barrel length.




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[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2013 8:51:27 PM