http://www.wral.com/senate-bill-seeks-to-curb-college-vote/12298695/

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"Senate bill seeks to curb college vote RALEIGH, N.C. — A bill filed in the state Senate Tuesday would carry a tax penalty for parents whose children register to vote at their college address."

I know not everyone gets to the soap box, but this bill is just too egregious to keep as discussion among politicos arguing the merits. It's BS and needs to be called out before it becomes law.

4/6/2013 11:01:04 AM

Awful.

4/6/2013 11:10:28 AM

I hate the government.

4/6/2013 11:17:50 AM

I hate the republicans

4/6/2013 11:27:42 AM

^ agreed

because, in this case, all this bullshit legislature is a result of a republican governor and republican congress...congrats, NC, you voted for these asshats

dumb fuckers

4/6/2013 11:49:37 AM

ah, states rights.

4/6/2013 11:50:36 AM

What a crock.

4/6/2013 12:01:48 PM

this doesn't affect any of us

we're all in our 30s

4/6/2013 12:04:11 PM

blatant voter suppression is generally a bad thing.

4/6/2013 12:07:37 PM

I enjoy being a backwards fuck.

4/6/2013 12:20:44 PM

^^ yeah, well, you gotta look at it from their point of view

there is a correlation between a higher level of education and left-leaning views...anything you can do to cut down on votes in favor of those who oppose you is a smart move

4/6/2013 1:43:17 PM

This will be struck by the courts. Its a blatant poll tax.

4/6/2013 1:49:03 PM

It's starting to blow up on facebook (at least in so far as state legislative bills go):

4/6/2013 2:13:30 PM

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"there is a correlation between a higher level of education and left-leaning views...anything you can do to cut down on votes in favor of those who oppose you is a smart move"

indeed. if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

4/6/2013 2:22:32 PM

i think its great. But either way, its old news trying to block or hinder voters in a demographic, the dems went to court in ohio to have the military absentee ballots cast out.
quit crying, life isnt fair, move on

4/6/2013 2:29:34 PM

Why do you think it's great?

Or is that your way of say you're indifferent?

4/6/2013 2:35:25 PM

^^ this guy is a fascist

4/6/2013 2:40:39 PM

i dont trust the american population to make good decisions, both left and right. college kids and people who depend on hand outs are the dangerous bunch.

For college kids: I was just like them, I thought i knew it all, then i figured out pretty quickly where decisions are made, not on a ballot, but the guy with the most money or the most to earn. The "enlightened youth" and the university system will never accept the reality of why decsions are made, and I feel they cannot make a good decsion. Polititions prey on the college kids, become cool and take on open minded views, promise a future and you're in. (you dont even have to have a logical plan if you are cool) So tax the parents, the money for thier vote has to come from somewhere. And Im not full of shit, I drove 8 hours to vote, it was very importaint to me, and the whole absentee ballot crap.

Then the hand out crowd, a whole seperate thread but here it goes: promise them something free and they will vote for you, pretty simple.

4/6/2013 2:46:08 PM

If college kids are too young to make good decisions, what then should the age of majority be?

Do you believe you made good voting decisions while in school?

4/6/2013 2:54:02 PM

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"i dont trust the american population to make good decisions, both left and right. college kids and people who depend on hand outs are the dangerous bunch. "

AGAIN

this guy is a fascist

4/6/2013 3:09:18 PM

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"Do you believe you made good voting decisions while in school last year?"

Sounds like nothing more than rawr rawr stupid trolling rawr rawr den college kids are dangerous cuz they disagree with me unless they agree with me rawr rawr.

College kids and poor people shouldn't be treated equally because equality should be contingent on self-sustainability.

4/6/2013 3:09:56 PM

the most shocking revelation in this guy's mindless rant is that he attended college
although that's not explicitly clear, it is only implied and little evidence lies in the content of the statement itself

4/6/2013 3:12:09 PM

this is fucking insane

4/6/2013 3:15:53 PM

Here is my point: Money is the problem gang.

Ill frame it in the context of what I can relate to.

Do you think the contrating company selected to help sustain Iraq operations was chosen becuase it was the best value with the best service? Or did some politician have a serious dog in the fight where he could make a crap ton of money?

How about uniforms. Was the ACU selected over FRACU becuase it worked the best? Or was the selction process rushed becuase a politician could make a crap ton of money of ACU's?

Where does your vote count again? Who did you vote for and what did you want? Neither side is doing what the right thing is. College kids are easily swayed left, and military easily right, but money is the real vote. So hell, tax the parents, at lease it gets money back to the state. These are two examples, against the side that i most often support.

Voting isnt really what is used to be, or maybe it was never as good as hope it was. But i see more and more that money makes the decisions. I just wish the truth would come out, one politician to stand up and come clean, say he took the money and acted not in the best intrest of the people. I would back that guy and vote for him. Fascist? No. I'm human, just like the politicians, just like you, we are flawed. I'm just saying the flaw in politics is a lack of integrity due to greed and money. In the mean time, it really doesnt matter, I work hard, have fun, and do what I do, and do it well.

4/6/2013 3:17:36 PM

No Worries, Democrats vote multiple of times.

4/6/2013 3:27:40 PM

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"i dont trust the american population to make good decisions, both left and right. college kids and people who depend on hand outs are the dangerous bunch. "

Ah, so you only trust politicians and the wealthy elite to run the show.

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"For college kids: I was just like them, I thought i knew it all, then i figured out pretty quickly where decisions are made, not on a ballot, but the guy with the most money or the most to earn. The "enlightened youth" and the university system will never accept the reality of why decsions are made, and I feel they cannot make a good decsion. "

Glad you know everything now though. That college education really taught you the important things in life, like how to spell "decsions" and "Polititions". Where did you attend btw? And what advance degrees do you now hold, since you're part of the group of oppressive elite fascists who want to deny basic rights like voting?

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"Polititions prey on the college kids, become cool and take on open minded views, promise a future and you're in. (you dont even have to have a logical plan if you are cool) So tax the parents, the money for thier vote has to come from somewhere. And Im not full of shit, I drove 8 hours to vote, it was very importaint to me, and the whole absentee ballot crap. "

Such a good citizen. Glad you exercised your 'importaint' right to vote. That absentee ballot crap is such a waste of time.

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"Then the hand out crowd, a whole seperate thread but here it goes: promise them something free and they will vote for you, pretty simple. "

Where does the hand out crowd hang out and collect their schwag? I would like free cable, health insurance, gasoline, and my cell phone bill paid off!

[Edited on April 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 6, 2013 at 3:41 PM. Reason : derp]

4/6/2013 3:28:30 PM

I don't think parents should be able to claim someone over 18 who doesn't live with them as a dependent in general.

4/6/2013 3:28:58 PM

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"I don't think parents should be able to claim someone over 18 who doesn't live with them as a dependent in general."

The best point made so far. Didnt even have to ramble on about money.

4/6/2013 3:33:23 PM

^^What if they still support them, pay for school, their bills, allowance while they are in college? I think that if you actually work while in school and file a W-2 then yes your parents should not be able to claim you. But there are too many kids who get everything handed to them all the way through college and those are still dependent and should be claimed as such.

4/6/2013 3:35:33 PM

I don't really agree with him, but that's his point: giving tax breaks to mommy and daddy for fully funding their child's college education encourages this type of behavior.

But the IRS is a fucking illegal sham anyway, so I don't really care how people file these days.

[Edited on April 6, 2013 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2013 3:37:06 PM

At this moment I'm imagining a situation where a college freshman is pleading to his parents how throwing him a few hundred bucks is a tax write off for them

4/6/2013 3:37:24 PM

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"So hell, tax the parents, at lease it gets money back to the state. "

I suppose the legislation to cut early voting in half will save some money for the state and the legislation to end same day registration will cut down on the number of voters which will save some money too. In fact, I bet if we ended voting altogether that could save the state a good bit of money in the short run too.

4/6/2013 4:47:48 PM

people need to stop believing in State's rights.

4/6/2013 8:29:27 PM

Am I retarded or cant you get around this by using absentee voting? I do this anyway cause it is easier for me. That and I dont know of many under 18s that are registered here in Raleigh. All my friends are registered at their parents place. I know this isnt the case for all though.

4/6/2013 8:43:33 PM

i went home to vote in college

and i dont have a problem showing my ID to vote

4/6/2013 8:53:59 PM

Voting is for chumps. Real men take power by force!

4/6/2013 11:51:13 PM

That why I have more guns than arms.

4/7/2013 12:11:24 AM

Wow, just when I thought Republicans could not do anything else to surprise me they blindside me with this BS!

Is Wolf2Ranger trolling??? I can't tell.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 12:25 AM. Reason : /]

4/7/2013 12:18:36 AM

^ I think he's just an idiot, not a troll.

4/7/2013 12:37:16 AM

I'd be all for this if it meant you didn't have to claim parents on your fafsa, that would only.be fair and would be pretty sweet
(of course I understand that's federal)

but seriously, even of you think this is okay and college students shouldn't vote, the issue with this bill is only based on if the student is a dependant. So explain what the problem with a dependant voting is.

4/7/2013 12:45:53 AM

^^He's Poe's Law in action.

4/7/2013 1:48:58 AM

^^ why should it matter if you're a dependent or not for voting?

There's nothing about voting that has anything to do with whether your parents claim you as a tax exemption or not.

I can see the thinking being along the lines of "if you're not paying taxes, you shouldn't vote" but 1) taxes aren't the only political issue (and not even the most important IMO) 2) lots of businesses and corporations don't pay taxes 3) lots of "adults" don't pay taxes.

This bill is nothing but politicians at their worst.

4/7/2013 1:55:48 AM

I don't think it should, but that's what this bill is about. Of you are a dependant and vote, your parents lose that exemption.

I'm asking supporters of this why being a dependent matters.

4/7/2013 9:32:27 AM

Can't these college kids just do an absentee ballot at their home of record? I did that in the military no matter where I was stationed. This would prevent a huge block of what are essentially temporary residents (college students) from overriding the people who actually live in an area and may be affected long term by election results. Elections do have consequences.

Just thinking a bit more, I think the problem I mentioned above could be solved by just having a person's ballot printed with the local elections for the student's home address and then the national stuff added. Doesn't seem like that would too difficult in nowdays. This would protect local voters and the students can vote for their own local and national representatives. Today's technology wasn't available back when the whole idea of allowing college students to vote at school came about.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 9:52 AM. Reason : another thought]

4/7/2013 9:45:53 AM

^A lot of NCSU folks end up living in the triangle. Do you think Raleigh has been harmed by State students voting? Also if someone lives in Raleigh for 4 years, how are they supposed to decide on which candidates to absentee vote for in their parents voting district.

Also if you move, even within a city, you're changing a lot of the districts you're voting in for school board, city council, sometimes state senator and state representative and sometimes US congressperson too.

There are enough barriers to voting being erected in our state that we don't need to say anyone who doesn't live at the same address for 4+ years shouldn't be voting there.

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4/7/2013 11:34:10 AM

^^ There is nothing here to be solved. This man is full shit and wasting tax-payer money by taking time when he is suppose to be REALLY working and drafting BS like this. Furthermore, people should not vote in a municipal election because they are temporary? HAHAHAHA Let me guess you voted Tedesco, am I right?

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 11:38 AM. Reason : /]

4/7/2013 11:37:38 AM

those specific students may not live there permanently, but they're representative of a rotating population that is permanently there

4/7/2013 11:37:49 AM

I agree that a lot of NCSU students probably end up staying but this is also a highly sought after place to live. This may not be true in other college towns.

A college student is absolutely temporary. If you don't have a full time job and residence other than to go to school then you don't truly live there yet. Why should a resident of Raleigh be at the mercy of a college student from the other side of the state who may or may not stay in the area?

4/7/2013 11:57:26 AM

Because they can legally vote? How do banks make money? They legally rob you? Deal with it.

4/7/2013 12:29:13 PM

nobody is saying they can't register to vote where they go to school, just that their parents can no longer claim them as a dependent if they choose to change their voting district. (rightfully so i might add... closes a tax loophole essentially.)

4/7/2013 12:43:13 PM