let that sink in for a moment

4/7/2013 8:26:19 PM

is this like Snatch?

4/7/2013 8:28:48 PM

Its real to me.

4/7/2013 8:29:22 PM

4/7/2013 8:33:51 PM

Its real to me.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM. Reason : why did this post twice...?]

4/7/2013 8:38:13 PM

People actually WATCH pro wrestling after the 5th grade


http://youtu.be/D8jRh-aKU7U

4/7/2013 9:43:18 PM

^It's a fictional television show like any other but with better story than most.

4/7/2013 9:48:21 PM

I hate all fictional TV shows aside from Andy Griffith, King of the Hill, Seinfeld, and Peep Show. Plus, the "story" is based on the results of an athletic competition which, when planned out and predetermined, ruins the "athletic competition" part.

4/7/2013 9:55:49 PM

That's like saying Friday Night Lights is ruined because the athletic competition part is planned out and predetermined.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 10:01 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2013 10:01:45 PM

What? No it's not at all like that. If some idiot watches Friday Night Lights and is wondering "who will win tonight? What's the spread? I don't know if they can stop their running game!!" then you are right. But NO ONE does that.

You are confusing a plot element with the ENTIRE plot. One is a story about a sport and the other is a "sport" with a story attached. If the sport is not a real athletic challenge where the results are not predetermined then its silly. "I think Hogan has this one! I heard he's been training extra hard!"

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 10:17 PM. Reason : D]

4/7/2013 10:15:46 PM

You can bet on Stone Cold to whip your ass, and that's the bottom line.

4/7/2013 10:26:15 PM

People bet on Tennessee athletics, Jaybee1200. Don't see any difference between that and betting on pro wrestling.

Because both outcomes are predetermined.

(Tennessee will lose)

4/7/2013 10:30:47 PM

put a million dollars on The Undertaker every year

4/7/2013 10:33:08 PM

^^ lame. I expect more from you

4/7/2013 10:40:01 PM

The actual wrestling action is a plot element. It's not the show's fault if some viewers watch entirely for that action in a vacuum.

There are characters, with arcs.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2013 11:28:57 PM

Quote :

"What? No it's not at all like that. If some idiot watches Friday Night Lights and is wondering "who will win tonight? What's the spread? I don't know if they can stop their running game!!" then you are right. But NO ONE does that. "

"I wonder who is going to die next in Walking Dead?!"

Seems like pretty much the same thing.

4/7/2013 11:35:47 PM

^ well, 1, I dont like the walking dead, and 2, you people will argue with a hole in the ground. You know you are wrong. The walking dead isnt promoted as an actual real life event. Its fake. Its fucking zombies. When something happens in the show its because thats how they wanted it to go. Same thing with wrestling except they pretend like its not and people get upset because their wrestler lost. Its like "they picked him to lose this week, it was nothing he did, he didnt "not show up", he didnt get out maneuvered, it was just a script." Imagine if everyone knew that every single football game was preplanned from the very beginning. Nothing was left to chance, there were no hot streaks, no playing well under pressure, no outcoaching, no wind on a FG attempt, no underdogs who rise up, no choking etc. and it was all planned. NFL would have folded DECADES ago.


[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : d]

4/8/2013 12:05:37 AM

there used to be a guy in raleigh who via some connections knew who would win each match.

For like $40 he'd sell the picks that were guaranteed to go like 5-2 each night. At the time there was a website that allowed you to bet a nominal amount like $25 a match.

He wouldn't let you go 7-0 because he didn't want the gig to get ruined. Pretty sharp.

4/8/2013 12:12:44 AM

It can be completely fake and still completely valid to bet on.

4/8/2013 12:12:57 AM

Here is my thought on the whole real vs not real entertainment. Pro wrestling is stupid because it is fake, but they pretend it is real, sell tickets to it, and the crowd interacts with the competitors like they do at other sporting events. Movies and sitcoms are fake too, but they don't pretend to be real. That is the difference. Oh and Storage Wars and all of those other "reality tv" shows are stupid too.

4/8/2013 12:13:22 AM

^ smartest thing you have ever said

4/8/2013 12:14:25 AM

It's performance art you dingus.

Featuring people doing impressive and sometimes dangerous things with their bodies.

Quote :

"Same thing with wrestling except they pretend like its not and people get upset because their wrestler lost. "

If they cause the audience to get emotional over fake wrestlers then they're clearly doing something right.

[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 12:16 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2013 12:15:44 AM

promoted as an actual open-ended competition

4/8/2013 12:16:47 AM

Who gives a shit.

Anyone with a brain knows what they're watching

you keep making completely irrelevant points

4/8/2013 12:17:25 AM

hence my original point that anyone around age 10 and up is like "there is nothing to this at all, if some crazy amazing maneuver is made by the underdog to win the match, they had planned it all week so its not really crazy amazing...

4/8/2013 12:19:44 AM

you could find wrestling results before the matches took place online for like the last 15 years

what the fuck kind of site takes bets on it

4/8/2013 12:21:07 AM

it's been ~10 years since that happened so i dont recall for sure but for some reason i'm thinking it was bodog

4/8/2013 12:25:11 AM

^^^You're still missing the point and sticking to the super tired argument of "anyone above ten knows this is fake"

Wrestling features good TV writing.

[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 12:26 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2013 12:26:13 AM

Quote :

"Pro wrestling is stupid because it is fake, but they pretend it is real, sell tickets to it, and the crowd interacts with the competitors like they do at other sporting events."

They haven't pretended it's real for years.

Here's a WWE-produced promo where they completely break character, for Pete's sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AJgxbQx0No

4/8/2013 12:29:29 AM

Ok, maybe you will get it this way.

the movie "The Wrestler" = has a story, has characters, has wrestling action = great
regular wrestling = has stories based on and around the action to drum up interest in the action (which is predetermined, therefore the story doesnt really impact anything), has characters, has wrestling action = shitty kids shit

if tv wrestling was like the movie and you watched it for the STORY and not the perceived athletic event then it could be decent, but that isnt what it is... its not like people watched the movie and were like "oh shit! what a move!!! damn, get his ass, I hope you win!!!" but people do that for wrestling. Those people are either 10 or stupid

4/8/2013 12:31:58 AM

if the WWE were as popular as the NFL, vinylbandit wouldn't give a shit about it

[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 12:33 AM. Reason : he'd be saying the same shit jaybee is saying now]

4/8/2013 12:33:24 AM

HAHAHAHAH

4/8/2013 12:34:35 AM

lots of people watch wrestling for the story and not the "perceived athletic event."

that's what you're not getting.

you also underestimate the quality of the writing and any comment you make on that subject isn't valid since you obviously haven't watched

4/8/2013 12:34:44 AM

^^ A well-plotted pro wrestling match does tell a story. The problem is that most of the guys they use are picked because of how they look, not because of the quality of their storytelling.

4/8/2013 12:36:05 AM

^^ nope, you are delusional, like most fans for shitty "sports"

^ it tells a story for the sole purpose of leading up to the wrestling. But then the results arent real. So theres nothing dramatic about the outcome if you know its predetermined (after being promoted as real "feud" or whatever it may be). I mean, just picture any big upset in any other sport and ask yourself, if it was revealed to be completely preplanned, 100% fabricated, would that not ruin the whole upset?? Giants over Pats, planned out. Douglas over Tyson, planned out. Of course it would ruin it.



[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 1:04 AM. Reason : d]

4/8/2013 12:36:14 AM

Not only was Argo scripted and recorded, but I also knew the outcome before I even watched the movie.

And it was STILL more tense, dramatic, and exciting than most sporting events.

And before you go into some rant about how it is promoted to dodge the argument again, why does it matter what people under 10 or retards like the guy I the video think?

4/8/2013 12:46:42 AM

Except pro wrestling isn't a sport, so the results being predetermined are the same as the plot twists in Mad Men being predetermined, and the wrestling action in the match (when done correctly) is just as effective as the buildup.

4/8/2013 12:47:01 AM

Quote :

"SOUL PURPOSE"

4/8/2013 12:49:27 AM

Quote :

"^ The last five minutes of the match was literally nothing but attempted/landed Rock Bottoms and attempted/landed AAs. Whole show was pretty brutal."

commentary like this... this might be crazy if it organically happened, but since they planned it, big deal.

A - "I flipped a coin and it landed on heads 300 times in a row"
B - "Oh shit! really?"
A - "Yup, isnt that nuts?? crazy?"
B - "Thats fucking crazy!!!"
A - "Actually, it was a loaded coin, still fucking crazy though right?!?!"
B - "Um no"

4/8/2013 12:53:02 AM

I mean if you want to watch combat sports then watch college wrestling, boxing, or MMA.

4/8/2013 1:02:39 AM

"Pretty brutal" meaning "boring as shit and I hated it."

That Cena/Rock finish was terrible and the exact opposite of good in-ring storytelling.

[Edited on April 8, 2013 at 1:07 AM. Reason : 33]

4/8/2013 1:06:41 AM

I actually find it funnier how bothered people get about others enjoying wrestling

4/8/2013 1:09:30 AM

Detractors should watch CM Punk's "final" promo.

4/8/2013 1:10:26 AM

Quote :

"Not only was Argo scripted and recorded, but I also knew the outcome before I even watched the movie. And it was STILL more tense, dramatic, and exciting than most sporting events."

and even MORE tense, dramatic and exciting than rasslin

4/8/2013 1:22:30 AM

a winner is this thread

4/8/2013 1:23:06 AM

A quote from a radio interview with CM Punk, the best all-around performer in the company, just because I like proving B4C wrong:

Quote :

"I wasn't really champion for 434 days, it's not like I really won it. We're all adults here; we all know that pro wrestling is predetermined."

No one acts like it's real.

4/8/2013 1:33:11 AM

except the announcers and half the fans

4/8/2013 1:33:54 AM

The announcers are playing their parts in a scripted television program. One announcer is a good guy. One announcer is a bad guy. Their on-screen personalities help accentuate the drama and tell parts of the story that the wrestlers can't be explicit about.

Some of the fans are idiots. Some of the fans at Sophocles' theater were idiots, too. Nothing wrong with that.

4/8/2013 1:45:34 AM

yeah, i remember that one time when Jim Ross and Tony Schiavone were like "just to let you know, audience, this is fake, nobody is acting like its real"

4/8/2013 2:17:37 AM

Yeah, when Lawler nearly died on live television, they were very explicit in pointing out that it wasn't part of "tonight's entertainment" and a "real life situation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=R3A_A3xNMD0

4/8/2013 2:28:38 AM