Since they aren't enforcing it...

Marketing scheme to get the gun crazies to buy their coffee?

Or

Providing a safe haven for people to run when mass shooters are on the loose?

Idk... Whoever is in Starbucks is getting robbed either way

9/19/2013 7:41:34 AM

Hold on let me google whatever the fuck it is you're talking about. Link? Or just some more details? Fuck man

9/19/2013 7:52:35 AM

i thought it was funny when i first heard of it...seems to me that the kind of folks who frequent starbucks aren't the kind of folks who carry guns with them everywhere they go

9/19/2013 7:52:51 AM

they made the best business decision

9/19/2013 7:52:52 AM

And now they aren't

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/18/starbucks-grinds-open-carry-gun-policy-to-a-halt/

9/19/2013 8:00:35 AM

Quote :

"“We’re thrilled. We believe that this is the beginning of the end for guns in public,” Shannon Watts, founder of the group, told MSNBC. “It’s similar to when it became so distasteful to smoke in public or drink and drive. This is the first domino to fall.” "

And if they really cared about not having guns in their place they would enforce the rule. I think they are testing the waters to see what it will do to bottom line.

9/19/2013 8:14:11 AM

Quote :

"Local businesses are allowed to designate their own rules aside from states’ laws. Until this week, Starbucks’ customers could comply with the local laws and statutes of each state, some of which permit residents to carry weapons publicly."

Quote :

"Starbucks made an exception within the request for authorized law enforcement personnel to continue to carry guns inside its shops."

Pointlessness on top of pointlessness.

Whatever side of the debate you're on, you must see that gun-free areas within a country that allows gun ownership is meaningless. I agree, there are countries that have been effective of getting rid of guns more or less. Police don't walk around carrying guns there. It's completely impossible for any part of the US to tolerate that thought. Because of that, we're all gun nuts whether we want to be or not.

9/19/2013 8:15:40 AM

Starbucks just doesn't want to be part of this debate, they don't want gun right activists to try to imply that Starbucks supports them but they don't want to ban guns, they just want to stay out of it. Gun nuts will make a big deal about it, because all gun nuts act like children.

9/19/2013 8:21:59 AM

I don't think this is staying out of the debate. Seems like quite the opposite

Also, please read the comment I quoted. That's a non gun nut

[Edited on September 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM. Reason : Nutz]

9/19/2013 8:33:19 AM

kinda funny that folks get so worked up over open carry when there are far more folks carrying concealed. out of sight, out of mind, i guess.

9/19/2013 9:06:58 AM

Yea I was going to say, I guess this still doesn't affect any of us who have a CCP.

9/19/2013 9:12:42 AM

Sounds like it doesn't affect anyone wanting to open carry there either, unless they put up a sign.

9/19/2013 9:18:02 AM

Quote :

"all gun nuts act like children"

Some of the places with the most strict gun laws like Chicago have the highest rates of violent crime involving guns. Criminals don't give a shit about gun laws or restrictions.

9/19/2013 9:20:10 AM

While I don't mind guns and think people should have the right to conceal carry if they want, but do people really need to have a holstered gun while going everywhere they go?

Once we were at cookout at around 2am it was very crowded and some guy comes up with a holstered pistol. My first thought was that i was ready to get the hell out of there because i sure as hell dont know what might happen (especially at that late hour) and don't want to get involved in a potential altercation.

9/19/2013 9:21:01 AM

So somebody with a holstered weapon makes you shit your pants. It's the non-CCP ones I can't see that I'm worried about.

[Edited on September 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM. Reason : *]

9/19/2013 9:22:40 AM

because i can't see why someone would need to be walking around with a holstered pistol without intending to use it unless they were law enforcement.

9/19/2013 9:25:04 AM

For the exact same reason law enforcement carries them? Protection of themselves and others?

9/19/2013 9:27:40 AM

Quote :

"Criminals don't give a shit about gun laws or restrictions."

9/19/2013 9:51:49 AM

Quote :

"i sure as hell dont know what might happen (especially at that late hour) and don't want to get involved in a potential altercation"

do you completely ignore the chance of an altercation involving fists, knives, and concealed handguns that are all around you, or do you really feel safe at cook-out at 2 AM as long as no guns are visible?

9/19/2013 10:04:17 AM

Quote :

"[quote]all gun nuts act like children"

Some of the places with the most strict gun laws like Chicago have the highest rates of violent crime involving guns. Criminals don't give a shit about gun laws or restrictions.[/quote]
your response does exactly zero to respond to my point

gun nuts, regardless of how correct or warranted their opinions are, act like children. they were holding gun rights meetings at starbucks and advertising starbucks as a place that supported open carry or gun rights. starbucks doesn't do those things, they just didn't care about it. they don't want to be a pawn for the childish whining of gun nuts, they just want to stay out of the debate. they tried to have a reasonable position (that they didn't care if people carried, they just wanted to stay out of it) and the childish action of gun crazies ruined it.

9/19/2013 10:14:25 AM

^ Can you define a gun nut? I am trying to figure out what you are implying with the whole gun nut stereotype.

Not all guns rights advocates are nuts, you seem to be painting with broad brush to advance your own agenda

9/19/2013 11:29:08 AM

the last open carry meeting i went to everyone was complaining about how Obamacare death panels are going to kill people. then they talked about how best to stockpile ammo for when obama takes their guns, a lot of them said that they would not give up their guns if they became illegal. all of the people at the meeting were gun nuts.

9/19/2013 11:31:20 AM

^so why are you going to open carry meetings? Are you one of those media matters spies looking for your 47% moment to plaster all over the interwebs?

Just trying to figure out your mindset because I think you already have preconceived bias going in.

9/19/2013 11:34:43 AM

because i am concealed carry holder and a gun rights advocate (concealed carry on campus, concealed carry in restaurants, etc...), i just understand that reasonable controls are reasonable and think that most gun rights people are very dumb and childish whining gun nuts. i think more needs to be done to get rid of those people, they blindly follow the wishes of the gun lobby and are incapable of thinking critically.

[Edited on September 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM. Reason : starbucks' position is entirely reasonable]

9/19/2013 11:38:52 AM

they would be better off allowing and encouraging open carry.

a. liberal douchebags won't go without their coffee regardless.
b. the last place a criminal would want to rob would be somewhere with armed pattrons
c. this will draw in proud conservatives that will be glad to grace them with new business. i saw a news article of some pizza place who essentially did this and they got tons of business even though their pizza sucked ass.

9/19/2013 11:42:29 AM

A is only a troll, you can either dismiss him entirely or make fun of him

9/19/2013 11:42:52 AM

While I agree the morons carrying rifles and shotguns at Starbucks ruined it for responsible gun owners. I will defer to something I read today on Townhall.

Quote :

"I believe that to flaunt your weapon is to invite trouble. I don’t need some thug deciding to test just how tough I am. If you walk through life in a fighting pose with your fists balled up and ready to strike, someone, someday, somewhere, is going to want to test your mettle."

I am all for increases in background checks but ammo restrictions and bans on certain models I can't get behind.

9/19/2013 11:50:13 AM

I'm all for background checks (as long as it isn't implemented in a way that will lead to a registry) and am also against any sort of new bans on either ammo purchasing or types of guns.

I am entirely for more being done on the mental health front, but I am unsure about how to go about that.

9/19/2013 11:53:04 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/starbucks-asks-customers-not-to-carry-guns,33908/

9/19/2013 11:53:16 AM

lolol the irony of dtownral calling someone a troll.

9/19/2013 11:54:28 AM

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9/19/2013 12:25:12 PM

Quote :

"Marketing scheme to get the gun crazies to buy their coffee? "

The gun crazies were already buying their coffee. In that, that's the root of this thing--a few loony toons were slinging rifles and shit on their backs and going to Starbucks just to stir the pot, just because they could.

Well, just because you can doesn't mean you should, and Starbucks basically politely said "We just want to stay out of this and serve coffee and scones 'n shit, and could you all please just not act like stupid dickheads in our stores?"

I think that you should be able to walk around with an AR on your back if you want, but I think that you also should have the good goddamn sense not to walk into a Starbucks like that for no good reason. Just like I don't think there should be a law against going out in public right after you run 10 miles and you're sweaty and smell like ass, but I also think you should have the good goddamn sense to take a shower before you go to Starbucks, even though you don't HAVE to. You can wear a T-shirt with an obscene message printed on it, but you're an asshole if you wear it to the mall, or the grocery store, or Starbucks--even though there may not (and should not) be a law against it.

...and we enjoy not be oppressed by such stupid laws because most people have the social decency not to do such things, at least not routinely and for no good reason.

These people are douchebags, and they're fucking things up for everyone else, and not accomplishing anything...and far from getting the "gun crazies" to buy their coffee, the true crazies that were doing this shit are now pissed and making Starbucks out to be in the wrong just because they politely asked them to not act like jackasses.

Quote :

"Starbucks just doesn't want to be part of this debate, they don't want gun right activists to try to imply that Starbucks supports them but they don't want to ban guns, they just want to stay out of it. Gun nuts will make a big deal about it, because all gun nuts act like children. "

Pretty much, other than the part about gun nuts acting like children...

...but I think that part is really just a matter of what we're each calling a "gun nut". I think that most people would describe me as a "gun nut", but I'm not anywhere even close to the complete wingnuts who do this shit.



* I don't have a problem with allowing open carry, to include in Starbucks, but you shouldn't be walking in there with a slung rifle, and certainly not as a group of people with half of a Brownell's catalogue on prominent display, just for the purpose of seeing how much of a scene you can make, to show everyone that you can.

9/19/2013 9:39:40 PM