ENOUGH

stop with the stuff, guys.

Purdue
New Mexico
Philly
Colorado

[Edited on January 21, 2014 at 1:09 PM. Reason : Sickening]

1/21/2014 1:06:51 PM

New Mexico closed for Big Blue

1/21/2014 1:10:21 PM

The media coverage in the wake of such a tragedy always airs the grievances and demons of the perpetrator. They'll spread your manifesto for you, just do some horrible things first.

1/21/2014 1:11:21 PM

*with the media coverage of

FTFY

1/22/2014 4:18:18 AM

University of Oklahoma in Norman

1/22/2014 12:58:13 PM

BTTT for Oklahoma

Looks like one of OU's bball players was in the same hall, but he's safe

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2014 12:58:51 PM

Thanks, JP

1/22/2014 1:01:38 PM

Multiple reports that it is possibly a backfire of equipment in Gould.

1/22/2014 1:20:54 PM

False alarm. Construction equipment was the cause of concern.

1/22/2014 1:21:32 PM

Thank God

1/22/2014 1:22:56 PM

ibt "ban construction equipment!"

1/22/2014 1:24:36 PM

1/22/2014 1:35:23 PM

SHOTS BACKFIRED: http://kfor.com/2014/01/22/police-shots-fired-on-the-ou-campus-students-told-to-take-shelter/

1/22/2014 2:04:51 PM

ASSAULT UMBRELLAS-ELLAS-ELLAS

1/22/2014 3:42:25 PM

^Aaaaaahahahaha.

I was working at a bank in Greenville when that shit went down.

1/22/2014 5:49:40 PM

Uncle Buck!

1/22/2014 9:48:05 PM

my honest to God Theory on why there are more school shootings...

We take competition out of schools.

1. Bullying is bad, I got it. But taking competition out of school only magnifies the problem. Now kids resort to bullying because there is nothing else to set them apart. Its our nature to try to be better than someone else, and in schools where everyone wins, bullying is now more prevalent.

2. Kids/teens and now college kids have little experience failing. I remember what it felt like to lose when I was younger. I learned what it meant to be a good sport, how to win gracefully and how to lose with dignity. Now everyone wins, everyone is equal, so when these kids grow up and fail, they have no clue how to react. Over-reaction (aka school shootings) is going to rise so long as nobody is taught how to fail/lose. Think bell curve, over-reaction to failing is sliding the bell to the right where the right limit is lethal action.

3. Media is much faster now than ever, and will get faster. You never heard of school shootings in the 80's and early 90's because media was limited to analog and constrained by time/distance gaps. Now we can send videos instantly, the world can see anything the media deems relevant. We are told schools shootings are relevant, and now we "see" them more often. Yes, there are more shootings, but also take into consideration that we have access to a lot more events more rapidly across the entire nation.

and im spent

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 10:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 10:05:52 PM

I, too, wondered this. Is it like shark attacks where there aren't any more than usual but the ones that happen get coverage? Or is everyone shooting everyone else all the time because we have handguns everywhere?

1/22/2014 10:10:30 PM

handguns are not everywhere though. If someone is committed to do something stupid with a gun, they will find a way to get a gun and do it.

Media is part of the problem, and culture is also part of the problem. Why are students getting guns and shooting? When I was in high school, if 2 people had a problem and they wanted to "hash it out", they fought with fists and it was over, no body went to get a gun (WE could have if we wanted to, but WE didn't). Now, its a spectacle, everyone jumps in, people come back with guns (see tailgate shooting), our culture is messed up.

This is not a gun control debate, that's a different thread. But why is it an acceptable out come to so many to go get a gun and shoot? that is the problem.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 10:20 PM. Reason : ,]

1/22/2014 10:19:45 PM

media is the biggest part of the problem

1/22/2014 10:20:57 PM

ibtguncontroldebate

1/22/2014 10:47:33 PM

^^

1/22/2014 10:50:06 PM

dead serious

1/22/2014 11:11:04 PM

dead serious

1/22/2014 11:32:14 PM

How do you blame the media? I don't see them as a huge factor.

1/22/2014 11:34:27 PM

Guns don't kill students, the shooters media does.

1/22/2014 11:39:40 PM

for drawing attention to the assholes that doing it and giving them airtime, thus almost glorifying them in death? I mean, it would be entirely incorrect to say that it's solely the media's fault, but ignoring their role completely would equally foolish.

1/22/2014 11:44:25 PM

media is the contagion for suicide clusters
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1990-98190-018
http://abs.sagepub.com/content/46/9/1269.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1943-278X.1989.tb00363.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2001.tb05807.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
etc...


the CDC after studying the problem recommended tempered media coverage, which is effective at stopping or limiting suicide clusters:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=122038
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00048679309075828
etc...



[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 11:49 PM. Reason : its the same with school shootings, we just need to stop the media coverage and they will stop]

1/22/2014 11:47:41 PM

Nice googling. I don't think suicide and school shootings are similar enough to make such an affirmative statement.

An individual suicide is almost never newsworthy. A mass shooting is typically news worthy, it would always spread.

1/23/2014 12:20:00 AM

Quote :

"for drawing attention to the assholes that doing it and giving them airtime, thus almost glorifying them in death? I mean, it would be entirely incorrect to say that it's solely the media's fault, but ignoring their role completely would equally foolish."

I was pretty affected by the columbine shootings back in the days and I couldn't tell you the names of the kids that did that. Same for any other shooting except newtown.

People who are nutty enough to shoot up random people don't seem like the people swayed by a little lack of media coverage. It's like arguing that the death penalty actually stops murderers, since murderers have such a fear of punishment to begin with...

I can barely remember dzhokar tsarnayev (whatever happened to him? Seems like they would have reported if he actually ever said why he did what he did...)

1/23/2014 12:28:17 AM

It is the decline in mental healthcare. We don't screen kids enough in schools. Also stupid no kid left behind pushing kids forward when they need to to be kept back a year or so. (My personal opinion)

Also, parents' refusal to believe anything is wrong with their kid. Everyone has a perfect child and the world is all rainbows and lollipops.

1/23/2014 2:54:16 AM

Quote :

"I don't think suicide and school shootings are similar enough to make such an affirmative statement. "

they are the same

School Shooting as a Culturally Enforced Way of Expressing Suicidal Hostile Intentions
http://jaapl.org/content/36/4/544.short

Quote :

"I have watched in horror with most of America as the stories of the Chardon High School and Oikos University shootings unfolded. But my horror was twofold. The first misery came as I heard the names and numbers of victims and thought about the pain they and their families will endure for the rest of their lives. The second dose came as I held my breath, hoping and praying the media wouldn’t amplify the violence. But they did. They did exactly what was needed to influence the next perpetrator to lock and load. 1. They named the shooter. 2. They described his characteristics. 3. They detailed the crime. 4. They numbered the victims. 5. They ranked him against other “successful” attackers. School shootings are a contagion. And the media are consistent accomplices in most every one of them. There’s really no useful debate on the point. The consensus of social scientists since David Phillips’ groundbreaking work in 1974 is that highly publicized stories of deviant and dangerous behavior influences copycat incidents. Phillips’ and scores of subsequent studies showed, for example, that suicide rates spike in the week after an inappropriately publicized celebrity suicide. Contrast this trend with no increase in suicides in the week following a media strike that unintentionally suppresses such coverage. The same is true of school massacres."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/crucial-conversations/201204/the-media-is-accomplice-in-school-shootings

America’s Foremost Criminal Profiler Warns Media Coverage Causes School Shootings
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/americas-foremost-criminal-profiler-warns-media-coverage-causes-school-shootings/

http://www.riskinstitute.org/peri/images/file/Coleman_Copycateffect.pdf

Quote :

"An individual suicide is almost never newsworthy."

details of suicides used to be widely reported. and they spawned increased suicides in the days and weeks following. suicides are rarely newsworthy now because media adopted the CDC recommendations on how to report them.


[Edited on January 23, 2014 at 7:31 AM. Reason : this is pretty obvious and the conclusion is common sense]

1/23/2014 7:23:16 AM

Quote :

"my honest to God Theory on why there are more school shootings... We take competition out of schools. 1. Bullying is bad, I got it. But taking competition out of school only magnifies the problem. Now kids resort to bullying because there is nothing else to set them apart. Its our nature to try to be better than someone else, and in schools where everyone wins, bullying is now more prevalent. 2. Kids/teens and now college kids have little experience failing. I remember what it felt like to lose when I was younger. I learned what it meant to be a good sport, how to win gracefully and how to lose with dignity. Now everyone wins, everyone is equal, so when these kids grow up and fail, they have no clue how to react. Over-reaction (aka school shootings) is going to rise so long as nobody is taught how to fail/lose. Think bell curve, over-reaction to failing is sliding the bell to the right where the right limit is lethal action. 3. Media is much faster now than ever, and will get faster. You never heard of school shootings in the 80's and early 90's because media was limited to analog and constrained by time/distance gaps. Now we can send videos instantly, the world can see anything the media deems relevant. We are told schools shootings are relevant, and now we "see" them more often. Yes, there are more shootings, but also take into consideration that we have access to a lot more events more rapidly across the entire nation. and im spent "

I'll agree with this.

1/23/2014 7:57:55 AM

I think the media's role (and some parent's roles) in this matter is that disturbed students see such violence in the media and possibly via their parents as a way to achieve their goal of retribution. Most likely know it is "wrong", but as psychologists point out, the media attention creates copycats. Parents who set violent examples and media emphasis on such violence instills in unstable kids the fact that violence and sometimes with firearms is the ultimate way to get payback. This has nothing to do with handguns (not even sure why that type of firearm was brought up), or any specific type of firearm. The problem is that kids are constantly being fed the wrong message, disturbed kids aren't being identified or receiving proper care, etc. The means in which violence is carried out is important information, especially when trying study such acts, but in order to solve the issue, one must concentrate on the cause, not the how.

[Edited on January 23, 2014 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2014 1:06:18 PM

bttt for SCSU



1 shot in a dorm

http://www.wcnc.com/news/regional/Shooting-reported-at-SC-State-on-campus-dorm-241867651.html



[Edited on January 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2014 4:17:25 PM

monkey see monkey do, brah

dat fundamental basics of life

they're gonna fuck it up for everyone eventually because security is gonna be tight as a muhfuh that even innocent people will always be spied on :3


i.e. kids with access to guns (or without access to guns) are impressionable, stupid and have rampant mental disorders

I'm mostly a proponent for gun control, and that's obviously the inevitable end for our country if people keep doing this bullshit

it fucks it up for innocent people

it especially fucks it up for respectable gun owners

but it really only takes a few incidents like this and then everyone's in trouble.. kinda like in school when if one person wouldn't confess, everyone else had to suffer the consequences just because of 1 person's fuckups

hopefully things will change more towards the peaceful

I think we might be taking steps in the right direction, becoming more of the melting pot that is America is intended to be

1/24/2014 4:21:01 PM