8/10/2014 1:20:49 PM

I seriously don't understand how that man is not in prison.

Anyone who has ever driven a car before can tell that while perhaps "technically" an accident, Stewart gunned it and either swerved toward or fishtailed into him. He may have intended to "scare" him, but fuck me, total douche move and he deserves to rot in prison.

8/10/2014 1:57:52 PM

Yeah that def sounded like stewart nailing the gas right as the dude gets it

Dude shouldn't have been out in the track though....the car before stewart almost hit him and the dude keep coming further out

8/10/2014 2:23:51 PM

Stop posting the vid don't you think that's a little fucked up

"I hope your death gets 10000000" views on YouTube"

8/10/2014 2:56:48 PM

it's not about the morbidity...and yeah, it's unfortunate that it's so public...

and I don't know that he meant to kill him or even run him over, but it looks to me like he meant to scare/intimidate him or maybe even graze him, or throw dirt on him or something, and fucked up. unless more evidence comes out to absolve him, i think he should never race anything again, have to pay restitution, and go to prison for a little while.

8/10/2014 3:36:17 PM

should we keep the discussion here or in the nascar thread?

im too lazy to follow two-

also i feel bad for tony stewart; you have to be seriously disturbed to think he maliciously killed someone in front of thousands of spectators.

the kid was dumb, god rest his soul, and people die in racing related accidents all the time.

ricky rudd spin in the pits 1990, kills a pit crew member.

richard petty drag racing in 1965 kills a six year old boy, southeastern dragway.

1999 john paul jr (indy car) crash debris kills three in the stands at charlotte.

this list could be a mile long, but im going to stop because racing is dangerous, accidents happen, and the only way to make it safe is to ban it.

OR you can try to make it safe by following the rules; for example stay in your car until the safety crew reaches it (unless its on fire).

the assholes calling for stewarts head are just the kind of dumb fuckers that take this too seriously and hate him for other reasons.

he isnt your favorite driver, boo hoo, in similar circumstances your favorite driver would be innocent, etc.

get over yourselves.

8/10/2014 3:40:06 PM

^^^

8/10/2014 3:43:21 PM

possibility:

he guns the throttle to kick the tail out and MISS the guy?

alternatively, he simply turns the wheel to the LEFT to miss him and the tail DOES hit the guy.

remember how dirt cars work?

[Edited on August 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM. Reason : -]

8/10/2014 3:50:43 PM

that's the ONLY thing I can think of that could possibly explain it, but that seems like a stretch to me. Brakes, not throttle, would turn the car left away from him, correct? I think it might actually be just the opposite: he meant to near-miss him and maybe scare/intimidate him, or throw dirt on him, but the car went right under throttle and hit him (isn't this what a sprint car is set up to do? Yaw left to turn in under braking, then right to straighten out when throttle is applied)?

The video (along with audio) look pretty damning to me, though.

...and yeah, Ward was an idiot for getting out, and shit happens in motorsports all the time, but what this looks like is completely different from those pure accidents you mentioned.

also, for the record, I don't pay any attention to NASCAR, but I have always liked Tony Stewart, for his aggressive racing and talents in other types of cars and racing disciplines.



[Edited on August 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM. Reason : i have never run a staggered circle/oval-tracker]

[Edited on August 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2014 3:53:51 PM

i dont pay attention to nascar either, and hes not my favorite (or least favorite), but i disagree about the examples i provided.

every one of them (now and then) were portrayed by some as nefarious.

rudds inexperience or excessive speed on pit road (which led to those rules)?

what the fuck is petty doing drag racing?

why the fuck are indy cars at charlotte (ok they fixed that one) maybe not the drivers fault but someone should have certainly been in a courtroom (i dont think they ever were).

stewart has a lot of haters, fine, but media coverage during the examples i provided wasnt anything like it is today.

otherwise they would have all had to hang it up unfairly. its a dangerous sport, period, and there is no way stewart is a murderer.

christ.

[Edited on August 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM. Reason : -]

8/10/2014 4:02:54 PM

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"and yeah, Ward was an idiot for getting out [and running into the middle of the trace to take on an automobile]"

8/10/2014 4:35:01 PM

Pretty obvious Stewart was trying to roost the guy and the idiot kept coming closer as Stewart went by and a boo boo happened. If Stewart hadn't gunned it then this would be over already. The fact that he gunned it is going to lead to some sort of manslaughter charge. He might be able to say he simply never saw the guy until it was too late and get to walk, but he'll go to the grave knowing what he did.

8/10/2014 5:10:15 PM

That's pretty much what I think, other than I don't think that Ward bears much/any responsibility for causing it (although getting out of your car, even under caution, is fucking stupid).

8/10/2014 5:28:02 PM

can we discuss how Ward was being a whiny bitch for getting bent out of shape simply because Stewart put a textbook slide job on him?

8/10/2014 7:22:05 PM

Getting out of the car was dumb as hell. He put himself and other drivers at risk for his stupid stunt.

8/10/2014 8:45:05 PM

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"I don't think that Ward bears much/any responsibility for causing it"

He lunged at a moving 1000 HP race car on a dirt track, and you don't think he bears any responsibility?

8/10/2014 9:33:16 PM

The blue car looks like it blocked Stewart's view of the kid (remember it's just after the turn straightens out).

but the engine rev does make it seem like a GTFO move gone wrong

8/10/2014 10:34:14 PM

^^ I know right? Bears no responsibility? He got out of his car and walked into the middle of an active racetrack trying to take on a racecar.

8/10/2014 10:38:17 PM

that's not what caused this, though.

8/10/2014 11:25:43 PM

so at what point does all responsibility fall on the guy on foot?

after he throws a helmet?

after one or more cars dodge him and end up in the stands?

8/10/2014 11:59:27 PM

its a long article, but it's worth the read since people are accusing Stewart of murder.

http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story/

8/11/2014 12:36:59 AM

haven't read it, yet.

i've only heard of a couple of people accuse him of murder. i think that most people believe that he was trying to intimidate him or throw roost on him.

8/11/2014 1:43:40 AM

From this angle, the driver can't see the camera man. There's not a lot of visibility for looking to your right, only through the turn as you go left.

Also, there's no business for someone to be rubbernecking the outside of a track, especially during a caution. As a driver, eyes should be towards the inside of the turn. Add this on top of how Ward Jr was wearing a black outfit, it was getting dark outside, and he was approaching the blind side of the car and you can reasonably understand how Ward got hit with Stewart having little time to react. The last thing I would expect during a caution is an angry driver coming at me across the track. Why the hell would anyone think that's a good idea is beyond me. Ward had no business getting out of his car and walking towards the inside of the track like he did.

It's open cockpit. Imagine how dirty those visors get on the helmet from kicked up dirt. There's a lot of factors here that don't look good for why Ward got hit because Ward simply was where he didn't need to be.

The blue car barely missed ward the first time. I imagine there wasn't much more time for stewart to react after seeing the car ahead of him barely miss Ward.

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 6:42 AM. Reason : .]

8/11/2014 6:39:15 AM

I put all the blame on Ward. He broke a cardinal rule of racing. People calling for charges to be brought against Stewart make me laugh a bit.

8/11/2014 8:20:29 AM

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"i think that most people believe that he was trying to intimidate him or throw roost on him."

And they'd all be cockbag bullshitters. You can't tell shit about the incident from the video other than it occurred.

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"Stewart gunned it and either swerved toward or fishtailed into him. He may have intended to "scare" him, but fuck me, total douche move and he deserves to rot in prison. "

cockbag bullshitter

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"Yeah that def sounded like stewart nailing the gas right as the dude gets it"

cockbag bullshitter

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"Stop posting the vid don't you think that's a little fucked up "I hope your death gets 10000000" views on YouTube""

dickbag

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"but it looks to me like he meant to scare/intimidate him or maybe even graze him, or throw dirt on him or something"

cockbag bullshitter

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"Pretty obvious Stewart was trying to roost the guy and the idiot kept coming closer as Stewart went by and a boo boo happened. If Stewart hadn't gunned it then this would be over already. The fact that he gunned it is going to lead to some sort of manslaughter charge. He might be able to say he simply never saw the guy until it was too late and get to walk, but he'll go to the grave knowing what he did. "

cockbag bullshitter



[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM. Reason : add another note]

8/11/2014 9:01:16 AM

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"cockbag bullshitter"

Or you could notice I've been placing nearly all blame on Ward since that post, and even did so in the same post you copied that from. Whatever...uh...cockbag.

8/11/2014 9:33:09 AM

8/11/2014 10:30:25 AM

I thought it looked like Stewart saw that his rear tire was on a collision course and gassed it in an attempt to induce oversteer away from the other driver. The back end of the vehicle looks like it kicks out to the left, away from Ward, to me.

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM. Reason : l]

8/11/2014 12:09:14 PM

wdprice3 taking up his mantle as champion victim blamer

8/11/2014 2:59:24 PM

well you let loose with the most ignorant statement in this thread, so there's that.

Another article: http://blog.caranddriver.com/yes-tony-stewart-hit-and-killed-a-fellow-sprint-car-racer-but-you-need-to-know-the-whole-story/

8/11/2014 4:51:57 PM

^ victim blaming is what's hot in the streets now

8/11/2014 5:54:59 PM

anybody who looks at that shitty little video and makes a judgement either way on this is a fucking idiot

8/11/2014 6:09:26 PM

you can safely make the judgment that the other driver should have never gotten out of his car and ran down the track.

8/11/2014 6:34:55 PM

y'all do realize he was going to have to get out on the track during the caution at some point, right?

i agree that it was pretty pointless to run down there pointing his finger and it was downright stupid to get that close, but he was gonna have to get out and walk across the track to the infield eventually.

8/11/2014 6:52:25 PM

why? there doesn't appear to be anything on the infield of that track; the couple of dirt tracks I've been to had cars / wreckers / emergency personnel entering and exiting through the corners of the track, with either crash trucks or 4-wheelers coming to pick up the drivers.

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 7:16 PM. Reason : infields of some dirt tracks are mud pits with drainage issues; you'd have to wade across them.]

8/11/2014 7:15:10 PM

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"anybody who looks at that shitty little video and makes a judgement either way on this is a fucking idiot"

it's really come to this

we live in a world where stone cold video evidence isn't even enough to convince people


fucking idiocracy

8/11/2014 7:59:09 PM

^^ok, so he had to get out of the car and go outside of the track. either way, anyone claiming he should have just sat in the car doesn't know much. you don't ride back in the car with it on a wrecker.

^that video does not make it clear who is at fault. if it did, would there really be so much debate about it?

8/11/2014 8:27:20 PM

yeah, getting out of the car was a given; can't fault him for that. It all went downhill when he started coming down the track though. He almost got hit by the car in front of Stewart.

8/11/2014 9:05:03 PM

Local police say they have a different (2nd) video as well. Not sure if it's online too, or if it's from the stands or a different perspective.

8/11/2014 11:34:49 PM

You can't tell shit from that video. The only person that you can definitively lay blame on is the Ward running across the track. Its a guess as to whether Tony intentionally hit him or not. My money is on that he is innocent and swerved to miss. Its the most logical thing.

8/11/2014 11:46:12 PM

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"it's really come to this we live in a world where stone cold video evidence isn't even enough to convince people fucking idiocracy"

I wasn't aware you knew everything there is to know about driving/controlling a sprint car. I also wasn't aware that you had special access to a POV camera mounted on Stewart's helmet.

Just admit you hate Tony Stewart and move along.

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"y'all do realize he was going to have to get out on the track during the caution at some point, right? i agree that it was pretty pointless to run down there pointing his finger and it was downright stupid to get that close, but he was gonna have to get out and walk across the track to the infield eventually."

Valid point NRR. However, every time I've watched a professional race with a crash, the driver waits to get out of the car after the safety crew has arrived (or if the car is well off the track and out of harm's way). There was no reason for Ward to get out of his car before the safety crew arrived.

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM. Reason : k]

8/12/2014 9:39:15 AM

not really a BTLS fan, but this is pretty good. recommend listening if you have any interest in the event, sprint cars, etc.

8/12/2014 10:21:06 AM

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"it's really come to this we live in a world where stone cold video evidence isn't even enough to convince people fucking idiocracy"

8/12/2014 11:52:48 AM

kiljadn must be trolling ITT

8/12/2014 1:35:35 PM

Might he have downshifted to help slow down on the dirt since that track is slick as crap?

8/12/2014 1:37:25 PM

^direct drive. No transmission. no clutch. to stop you have to kill the engine and lock the rears up.

8/12/2014 1:59:30 PM

not that it really matters, but i thought they had a way to take them out of gear from the cockpit. i think it's possible to take it out of gear and stop with the engine idling.

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 6:21 PM. Reason : that video jeepin posted is good]

8/12/2014 6:02:55 PM

they have an in-out box; it's not as easy to engage as a clutch; I think it's similar to the PTO engagement on a tractor.

8/12/2014 10:26:45 PM

Prepare for my stupid analogy.

I look at it kinda like a baseball batter removing his helmet while the pitcher is in his wind-up.... the pitcher may purposefully throw it at the batter because the batter annoyed him during his wind up. Then the pitch hits the batter in the head and he dies. Both parties own their share of the blame (which I can't proportionally assign), but nothing criminal.

8/13/2014 10:32:13 AM

One article I read said that since he likely saw Ward at the last possible second, Stewart gunned the engine to attempt to steer it out of the way. Apparently the actual "steering wheel" doesn't turn these cars very easily and you've gotta gas it to help it turn quicker

8/13/2014 10:56:52 AM