thats pretty sketch, yo...

3/3/2015 7:02:05 PM

she's clearly a terrorist

3/3/2015 7:36:32 PM

Reasonably sure she fucked up in a major way. Can't see how she manages to make it through this at all.

3/3/2015 7:53:07 PM

how do i skirted public records law

3/3/2015 7:59:08 PM

There's no way for her to explain this.

3/3/2015 8:01:02 PM

Maybe she didn't want to use some bullshit BYOD container on her phone

3/3/2015 8:02:22 PM

SHE USED A PRIVATE EMAIL, BURN HER!

3/3/2015 8:10:53 PM

^There's more to the story than that, read the Soap Box

3/3/2015 8:21:01 PM

these people are untouchable, get over it

she will declare her candidacy in a couple weeks and you definitely wont hear anything else after that

3/3/2015 8:32:49 PM

#Republicans....A party that is trying to win an election by crying about PERSONAL emails, while at the same time using the funding deadline of any government agency as a bargaining chip in their attempts to repeal a healthcare law.

Clinton 2016

3/3/2015 9:03:45 PM

This is such a non-issue

3/3/2015 9:06:25 PM

i think obama should switch over to hotmail tomorrow personally

is hotmail still a thing

3/3/2015 9:10:08 PM

Dude this is a epic issue for republicans. It proves that the Bush dynasty > Clinton dynasty. Can't you see how her using a personal email address shows that she will run this country into the ground as soon as her first period hits. She's probably a muslim and was born in Africa too. Her birth certificate is fake. She'll be the worlds worst president while accomplishing every campaign promise the republican candidate proposes. #Obama

3/3/2015 9:17:07 PM

^^It's now called Outlook Mail, and it's quite good; your old @hotmail.com and @msn.com and @live.com addresses now use that spiffy new interface.

Anyway, the problem was using that personal e-mail account for official business and then not being diligent about getting that official e-mail archived; it doesn't help that she registered that account on the day she was confirmed and using a domain that she personally controlled (which means basically she's the one the subpoenas would go to, instead of some third party who would have less interest in keeping certain things hidden).

AFAIK she technically hasn't broken the law, but she sure has done her best to drag her feet about proper recordkeeping.

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 9:20 PM. Reason : ^It's not that bad, but IMO we need a better candidate to keep the WH Democratic.

3/3/2015 9:19:21 PM

as if a clinton needed more baggage

3/3/2015 9:21:03 PM

We don't need a better candidate. She will win if they put her on the ticket. She will carry 95% of the black vote and rake in the female vote. That and 2 years of the republican party saying no to every piece of legislation not containing keystone means a easy victory for the democratic party.

Republicans don't like minorities, poor people, gay people, or women.

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ,]

3/3/2015 9:28:01 PM

The good outcome is if she comes clean and complies with the spirit of the law; the bad outcome is if the other shoe drops and we discover scarier skeletons in her closet (not likely because they've already been heavily scrutinized through the years).

BTW although what you said about the Rethugs is true, BlackJesus, never underestimate the power of...

3/3/2015 9:42:57 PM

I'm all for a qualified female president. This would exclude Hillary

3/3/2015 11:43:08 PM

Quote :

"but she sure has done her best to drag her feet about proper recordkeeping."

oh yeah? like what?

3/4/2015 8:40:05 AM

Quote :

"There's more to the story than that, read the Soap Box "

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


No.

3/4/2015 9:18:19 AM

never forget

3/4/2015 9:20:04 AM

Quote :

"I'm all for a qualified female president. This would exclude Hillary"

lol how is she not qualified? you can hang tons of shit on her, but unqualified ain't one of those.

3/4/2015 9:27:00 AM

Quote :

"Quote : "but she sure has done her best to drag her feet about proper recordkeeping." oh yeah? like what?"

many examples similar to:

Quote :

"In theory but not in practice, Clinton's official emails would be accessible to anyone who requested copies under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. Under the law, citizens and foreigners can compel the government to turn over copies of federal records for zero or little cost. Since Clinton effectively retained control over emails in her private account even after she resigned in 2013, the government would have to negotiate with Clinton to turn over messages it can't already retrieve from the inboxes of federal employees she emailed. The AP has waited more than a year under the open records law for the State Department to turn over some emails covering Clinton's tenure as the nation's top diplomat, although the agency has never suggested that it didn't possess all her emails."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails

or

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"The Clinton camp’s claims about the email account being above-board is also contradicted by the State Department’s response to Gawker’s inquires two years ago. After we published the story about Blumenthal’s correspondence with Clinton, we filed a FOIA request with the agency for all correspondence to date between Hillary Clinton and Sidney Blumenthal, specifically including any messages to or from the hdr22@clintonemail.com account. The screenshots and other documents released by Guccifer—which have now been validated by Clinton’s spokesman—confirmed that such messages existed. But the State Department replied to our request by saying that, after an extensive search, it could find no records responsive to our request. That is not to say that they found the emails and refused to release them—it is conceivable, after all, that the State Department might have attempted to deny the release of the Clinton-Blumenthal correspondence on grounds of national security or Blumenthal’s own privacy. Instead, the State Department confirmed that it didn’t have the emails at all. Which is exactly why Clinton used a non-State Department email server to conduct her official business."

http://gawker.com/this-is-hillary-clinton-s-secret-email-hdr22-clintonem-1689178736

etc...

[Edited on March 4, 2015 at 9:34 AM. Reason : etc..]

3/4/2015 9:34:17 AM

none of that indicates Clinton dragged her feet on record keeping

The second article only indicates the State Department couldn't find specific emails. It says nothing about whether or not they exist or if she turned them over to the State Department. It's a pretty big leap to assume just because the State department can't find them, that somehow Clinton and her record keeping are the reason why.

3/4/2015 10:03:15 AM

I caught a quick snippnet last night where Hilary's camp explained "Well, most of the emails she sent were to other people's government-issued emails, so she assumed they were being saved on their end [paraphrase]"

3/4/2015 10:17:09 AM

How does this shit even matter?

3/4/2015 10:25:12 AM

the perception of government transparency and tax-payer paid politicians doing shady shit behind closed doors?

3/4/2015 10:52:41 AM

and with Clinton's history in regards to record keeping, it is even more relevant

3/4/2015 10:57:02 AM

Yea because Bush was so transparent.

3/4/2015 10:58:00 AM

the party doesn't matter, everyone should want a transparent government

3/4/2015 11:00:37 AM

^^that's a poor argument

3/4/2015 11:06:20 AM

Condi had a personal account as well, but claims no government business was discussed using it.

Hillary is basically Butch Davis in this scenario. Smart enough to not let everyone see her business. Too damn stupid to send a few token emails from the real account while using the burner account to do all the deals.

3/4/2015 11:17:46 AM

Quote :

"Maybe she didn't want to use some bullshit BYOD container on her phone"

3/4/2015 11:37:22 AM

Hillary employs child pornographers

Quote :

"State Department employee arrested on child porn charge"

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/crime/fl-child-porn-department-of-state-20150303-story.html

3/4/2015 11:49:14 AM

lol, was the server in her home?

3/4/2015 11:54:46 AM

i think at least one of them was

3/4/2015 12:02:32 PM

I still like Hilldawg, and think she would make a great president. I just don't know how she will be able to move past this.

3/4/2015 12:38:27 PM

^ Hillary is usually a lock for the gay vote

3/4/2015 12:42:14 PM

<3 the gays

3/4/2015 12:45:37 PM

o look, another news link: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/3/govt-cybersecurity-source-clintons-office-warned-private-email-use.html

3/4/2015 5:46:52 PM

EMCE = "the gays"

3/4/2015 8:31:10 PM

I'm about as liberal as they come, and this whole thing is sketchy as fuck to me.

It's precisely this type of shit that would cause me to not vote for her. She has not presented herself in a trustworthy manner. She has conducted herself poorly, and there is absolutely no way that she can claim otherwise. Every single government employee knows how they should be using email. She is a former United States Senator. You cannot tell me that she thought it would be ok to conduct Cabinet business by using her own personal email address.

I think Carly Fiorina is a dreg of the earth, but she raises a separate, but excellent point about the Clinton family's fundraising. You can't on one hand talk about women's rights being a central issue, and then on the other willingly accept upwards of 25 million dollars from Saudi Arabia - the only country on the planet where women aren't allowed to drive.

I had real issue with Hillary running in 2008. Like, serious, huge red flags. I thought that perhaps a turn in State would make her a more worthy candidate. Somehow, magically, she's managed to burn up every single bit of goodwill and progress she made in my mind in that role with this humongous fuck up.

The question is, who do the democrats get to run in her place? Elizabeth Warren? I'd love it, but it'd never happen. There's not another D candidate out there who could even come close to standing on their own. Even at this point, the party is going to have to prop Hillary up, and I am 100% certain that she gets demolished if the republicans are able to put Jeb Bush on the ticket.

Shit sucks. Way to let me down, Hillary.

3/4/2015 8:36:55 PM

Shrike would say "democrats dont eat their own like republicans" in response to you.

If youre not familiar with him he hangs out in The Soap Box and has really high blood pressure.

3/4/2015 8:50:20 PM

Quote :

" Republicans don't like minorities, poor people, gay people, or women."

If people like BlackJesus regurgitate this long enough, no matter who they run, they'll win. Because there are enough stupid people out there to believe it. They elected Obama based on it.

3/4/2015 10:22:51 PM

BlackJesus supported Romney and wears Mormon temple underwear.

Anyone who says to the contrary is a blasphemous scaliwag and an action shall sound against him in libel.

3/4/2015 10:28:28 PM

IMO this scandal exposes a rift between those who are primarily liberals and those who are primarily Democratic partisans.

It's looking like Media Matters is the latter, focusing on being legally in the right as if she were morally in the right.

3/4/2015 11:49:14 PM

Quote :

" I think Carly Fiorina is a dreg of the earth, but she raises a separate, but excellent point about the Clinton family's fundraising. You can't on one hand talk about women's rights being a central issue, and then on the other willingly accept upwards of 25 million dollars from Saudi Arabia - the only country on the planet where women aren't allowed to drive. "

I agree that the Clintons are shady as hell. That's kinda their thing.

But, on the point I quoted, I'm pretty sure it's customary for politicians to accept money from anyone who is willing to give it to them. It doesn't mean anything except that they wanted the money. If we start examining who took money from who, then they're all screwed...cause they all take bad money.

3/4/2015 11:59:27 PM

Sure. But 25 million? Cmon. The sway the Saudis hold over both families is treasonous IMO.

And I am liberal in spite of party affiliation. I am not beholden to the Democratic Party in any way shape or form.

[Edited on March 5, 2015 at 7:46 AM. Reason : .]

3/5/2015 7:40:55 AM

Quote :

"If people like BlackJesus regurgitate this long enough, no matter who they run, they'll win. Because there are enough stupid people out there to believe it. They elected Obama based on it."

Obama won because he's black.

If you really don't believe what I said lets do a thought experiment. Lets pretend that every Republican initiative got approved for the last 10 years. We'd have no birth control, no abortions, NO entitlement programs, military the size of china, stupid oil pipeline through the country, NO GAY MARRIAGE (Being gay is a choice according to republicans), Richer Rich people, and the list goes on and on. Republicans are all about a have and have nots system, and of course shoveling their religion into every orifice. Hopefully the party dies SOON.

[Edited on March 5, 2015 at 7:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/5/2015 7:45:05 AM

Quote :

"IMO this scandal exposes a rift between those who are primarily liberals and those who are primarily Democratic partisans."

'Scandal' implies something wrong was done, no 'wrong' was done here. She didn't break any rules.

Colin Powell didn't use government email, why aren't you screaming 'scandal' about him? Oh that's right, because he was in a Republican administration. More importantly, because he didn't do anything wrong either.

If the Right didn't take every little thing anyone not in their camp does, and try to turn it into THE BIGGEST SCANDAL OF ALL TIME, maybe more people would take you seriously.

Until then...

3/5/2015 8:48:32 AM