4/18/2015 7:50:55 PM

that cop is extremely fucking lucky is what he is

4/18/2015 8:49:05 PM

^

4/18/2015 8:53:00 PM

Yeah, I'd like to know the whole story, but I wonder if maybe he's in the wrong line of work.

[Edited on April 18, 2015 at 10:26 PM. Reason : that or he had good aware of what was going on and has giant balls]

4/18/2015 10:26:16 PM

It's a good no shoot. But jesus, pointing a gun was not working...get your hands dirty.

4/18/2015 11:21:41 PM

^Problem there is this guy has his hand in his pocket the entire time hes coming at the cop. Cop doesn't know if hes got a gun, knife, some other form of weapon.

What saved this guys life, if you ask me, is the fact that he kept asking the cop to shoot him. That is hint #1 that this is a suicide by cop type deal. Someone that is looking to kill you probably isn't running towards you asking for you to shoot them.

I don't know what I would have done differently in the cops position, and thats with me having time to sit here and think it over. The cop is extremely lucky that when he fell to the ground, he didn't get seriously injured or worse, lose his life. That is the most vulnerable position you can be in. This suspect could have done great harm to him in that position. Extremely lucky.

More info about the situation would definitely have to be known before making any kind of judgement though. What did the officer know of this guy, what had already been reported. Had it been reported that he had no weapon? A whole lotta stuff we don't know.

4/19/2015 6:48:41 AM

He'd be reported "down" if I was that cop.

Restricted "gets it"; he's a cop.

Also, it's extraordinarily unlikely the cop would have been told that the guy's unarmed. How would anyone know that?

4/19/2015 7:52:30 AM

Crazy shit.

He could have killed that guy and no one would ever have questioned it.

4/20/2015 1:50:48 AM

umm, nor should they.

4/20/2015 2:15:21 AM

Seems like a good time for a cop to actually use a taser

4/20/2015 2:26:11 AM

yeah I'd say so, although I wouldn't fault him in the slightest for using his pistol. in fact, that would be my expectation; if he managed to handle it with the taser, then that's a bonus.

i say that as someone who leans pretty significantly towards thinking that cops are often far too heavy-handed, quick-triggered, and not held accountable.

4/20/2015 2:40:22 AM

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"He'd be reported "down" if I was that cop. Restricted "gets it"; he's a cop. Also, it's extraordinarily unlikely the cop would have been told that the guy's unarmed. How would anyone know that?"

Restricted isn't the only law enforcement officer on this message board.

As for your last statement, thats why i said we would need to know more information to get inside this guy's brain on why he handled it. We don't know any information that was given to dispatch. Someone could have been with this guy when he flipped out that knew he had no weapon. We just don't know. You can't throw away any possibility without knowing.

4/20/2015 4:19:26 AM

Maybe he knew he had a body camera on and with all the shit going on lately thought it was in his best interest not to shoot if he didnt see a weapon. Would he be justified... sure but with how things have been lately with cops and shootings it has to be in the back of your mind the shit storm that might follow.

4/20/2015 8:39:07 AM

it's weird how the guy kept running towards the cop yelling "shoot me" and eventually gave up and laid on the ground. I wonder why he decided to finally comply.

4/20/2015 9:53:43 AM

^my guess is backup arrived. though not sure why that would deter him.

4/20/2015 10:05:05 AM

Yeah you would think when backup arrived if he charged maybe another officer wouldnt be so quick not to pull the trigger.

4/20/2015 10:32:37 AM

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"wouldnt be so quick not to pull the trigger"

you mean, "wouldn't be so slow to pull the trigger"?

[Edited on April 20, 2015 at 10:40 AM. Reason : ]

4/20/2015 10:40:01 AM

Fair enough I knew it sounded wrong when I was typing it but I am at work so I just hit send haha

4/20/2015 10:44:31 AM

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"Murder suspect charges rookie officer in Ohio Cop pulls weapon but does not fire"

Double murder suspect.....

4/20/2015 8:06:38 PM

white double murder suspect... hmmm....

imagine if that was a black convenience store robber

4/21/2015 3:07:17 AM

...and here we go.

4/21/2015 6:14:41 AM

4/21/2015 7:05:35 AM

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"white double murder suspect... hmmm.... imagine if that was a black convenience store robber"

So you're saying that officer is racist?

4/21/2015 5:56:38 PM

bless that white cop for preserving that white life

we need everyone for the upcoming war

4/21/2015 6:14:59 PM

Here come the black folks inserting race into something that has nothing to do with race. Imagine that.

You want to focus on a real issue? Focus on the crops and bloods that kill many more black people every year than cops do. Or the fact that most young black kids either don't know their father or don't see him. Those are the real issues.

4/21/2015 6:19:56 PM

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"crops and bloods"

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"Children In Single-Parent Families By Race 2013 Black or African American 6,427,000 Non-Hispanic White 9,289,000"

4/21/2015 6:20:48 PM

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"Black or African American 6,427,000 Non-Hispanic White 9,289,000"

Ratios, bro, do you know them?

4/21/2015 9:41:37 PM

This isn't a cop being "Nice", this is a cop being some combination of bold/daring/courageous/foolhardy.

4/21/2015 10:58:50 PM

^

4/21/2015 11:12:54 PM

I was trying to find the video, but there is a recent video of a guy with a knife charging a cop and gets within arms reach of the cop and the cop retreats without reacting.

This is something that is a scary situation for police especially newer officers learning and being negatively sensitized due to the current state of the nation and the media.

A lot of cops are facing deadly threats and are FAILING TO ACT when the should be acting. They are second guessing themselves in fear of media and social retaliation even when they know what they are doing is right, legal, and for their safety and the safety of others.

It's a scary thing to see, when a cop is scared to make a decision and the cop or someone else gets hurt or killed because all they think about is the current news and/or backlash from a group of people.

4/22/2015 7:54:29 AM

Cops should be second guessing killing unarmed people. If you're saying there's evidence the protests are having an effect (although I doubt you have any evidence, seems more like you're ranting against black people), this is a good thing.

4/22/2015 10:08:45 AM

Why shoot him, when you can arrest him and beat him to death.

4/22/2015 10:12:02 AM

if you shoot him, you end up getting vilified for shooting someone who deserved to get shot.

meanwhile, the nation perpetuates a bullshit story of "hands up don't shoot" and no one is held accountable when it turns out he was just a punk ass bitch who got what was coming to him.

and then that whole episode takes away from the real stories of police brutality that need to be addressed. like a guy getting choked out and dying. or a dude getting his spine broken and dying. "those people" start ignoring more brutality because people went all in on a lie. and nothing fucking changes.


[Edited on April 22, 2015 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

4/22/2015 10:28:09 AM

Nothing about your post is accurate.

The Eric Brown case got more publicity because of Ferguson, and the police with the broken spine are facing punishment, no outcry needed. You've literally cited 2 cases where the protests in Ferguson may have made a difference in a positive way. Oklahoma I'm sure would have been swept under the rug if not for the protests in Ferguson.

It may irk you that civil rights for black Americans are advancing, and their neighborhood are safer, but for normal people these are good things, and the "hands up don't shoot" is what it's helping us get there.

4/22/2015 10:35:34 AM

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2015/04/21/401269114/smuggler-to-desperate-migrants-now-i-am-sending-you-to-your-death

4/22/2015 11:04:46 AM

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"Nothing about your post is accurate."

+1.

I regret reading that stupidity, and will try to avoid reading his posts in the future.

4/22/2015 11:07:30 AM

[Edited on April 22, 2015 at 11:07 AM. Reason : triple post suspend!]

4/22/2015 11:07:30 AM

the eric garner case did get more publicity because of ferguson. and so are other stories.

the problem is, the michael brown case gives people an easy out to dismiss cases where there should be real outrage.

if you don't think that there is a not insignificant portion of white people who are going to look at the DOJ's report and use it as an excuse to ignore other cases, I can't help you. it's their denial that put us here in the first place. and it's their denial that is going to continue to muck things up in the future.

how you get me not wanting the advancement of civil rights out of my first post is beyond me. that's you wanting to read what you want to read

4/22/2015 12:00:46 PM

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"meanwhile, the nation perpetuates a bullshit story of "hands up don't shoot" and no one is held accountable when it turns out he was just a punk ass bitch who got what was coming to him."

you realize that it wasn't a direct quote that was disproved, right? that it's much bigger than one instance of just one unarmed man being shot by a cop?

Ta-Nehisi Coates gets to the heart of that argument in a single tweet: (and in the tweets/RTs after)

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"Questioning of "Hands Up" as a motto rests on the false notion that other mottos are, somehow, verifiably accurate. "

http://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/573702574785847296

[Edited on April 22, 2015 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2015 12:23:59 PM

i'm not questioning "hands up, don't shoot" as a motto. i am saying that lie from which that protest was born does a disservice to those who are actually killed by police brutality. because that lie is the kernel that deniers and blind supporters of the police will latch on to and use to perpetuate their wrongly held beliefs.

i mean look at the poster who can't comprehend statistics in the baltimore thread. he sees whites getting killed in larger numbers and tries to argue that there is no disproportional killing of blacks because of gross numbers. that kind of ignorance is exacerbated when it turns out that this story we heard about for months was, in fact, not police brutality.

4/22/2015 1:39:50 PM

I don't really think it's worth worrying about people like that, because their opinions are unlikely to change regardless of the evidence that is presented to them

it's those in the middle, who might not be aware of what's going on, seeing protests and then becoming aware of the nationwide problem because of them

the fact that more people are aware, regardless of what caused them to become aware, is a net-positive

it's kind of crazy to expect every social movement ever to be flawless and have no hiccups, especially if the fear is that 9 times out of 10, everything is flawless, but that 1 time ruins it for everyone because some people focus on that 1 hiccup

[Edited on April 22, 2015 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2015 1:49:03 PM

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"Focus on the crops and bloods that kill many more black people every year than cops do. "

absolutely. Foodbabe has proven without a doubt that GMO crop toxins kill every single person who is near them.

4/22/2015 2:03:48 PM