Is that why cops keep shooting black people?


/racism

9/3/2015 12:11:20 PM

I'm pretty sure cops kill WAAAYYY more people, than people kill cops...

Not that "at least it's not getting worse" is a high bar, but there also hasn't really been an uptick in cop killings. "The media" just is trying to juxtapose cop killings to black lives matter, as if they are opposing ideologies (they are not).

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"No. Shooting deaths of officers are actually down 13 percent compared with the same January-to-September period in 2014. There were 30 shootings last year and 26 this year. Those figures include state and local officers, as well as federal agents. The figures also include two accidental shootings, Groeninger said. Suicides are not included."

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/02/a-look-at-recent-law-enforcement-deaths-across-the-us

If you wanted to be naive, you could argue BLM is reducing targeted cop killings.

9/3/2015 12:31:18 PM

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"I'm pretty sure cops kill WAAAYYY more people, than people kill cops..."

Cops killed 1,100 civilians, and civilians killed 51 cops in 2014.

A fairer comparison would be "unjustified" civilian deaths compared to the 51 cops killed by civilians.

9/3/2015 12:50:35 PM

Black on black crime compared to cop on black shootings.
That analogy wasn't difficult.

9/3/2015 1:11:21 PM

A royal rumble is the the only proper solution to this fighting

[Edited on September 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM. Reason : moron jumped on the defensive quick]

9/3/2015 1:12:32 PM

I'm still unsure of why people insist on classifying crime based on race, i.e., black on black crime. As if race is some great barrier that cannotnbe crossed when someone is murdered.
It makes much more sense to look at the problem from the standpoint of this: Crime happens, including violent onces. Due to the nature of violent crimes, most are committed when the perpetrator is in close proximity to the victim, within gunshot range for example. Because of this, combined with socioeconomic stratification of minorities in their neighborhoods, minorities end up victimizing each other. In the same way that whites end up victimizing each other.

9/3/2015 1:53:40 PM

thought about going that route, but you wrote it much better than I would have

9/3/2015 2:02:09 PM

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"I'm pretty sure cops kill WAAAYYY more people, than people kill cops... "

I'm sure African-Americans kill each other at least 10x more than racist cops kill African-Americans.

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"I'm still unsure of why people insist on classifying crime based on race, i.e., black on black crime. "

yeah i've always thought the "hate crime" modifier was stupid for making a murder extra-naughty if the motivation was race related
versus any other motivation for 1st degree murder (i.e. planning to kill a cheating partner, hating someone for giving you smack, revenge killing, drive-by for
someone selling drugs on your turf, payback for an employer firing you).

So is the guy from the news reporter killing going to be charged with a hate crime or is this only reserved for racist white people killing minorities?

9/3/2015 2:02:35 PM

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"I'm still unsure of why people insist on classifying crime based on race"

exactly

#alllivesmatter

9/3/2015 2:03:09 PM

Well, you see race is a protected class, like gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc... I think you are oversimplifying the circumstance for the sake of making an argument (looking solely at race, and ignoring other motives). So, when a crime is committed based on race, it can be tried as a hate crime.


It sounds like the dipshit that killed that reporter and cameraman did so because of a workplace dispute/grudge.
All of this is a moot point though, because the murderer is dead. We dont charge dead people with crimes.... thats silly.

9/3/2015 2:38:17 PM

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"I'm sure African-Americans kill each other at least 10x more than racist cops kill African-Americans. "

We should be arresting and prosecuting all these people... currently, we only target 1 of those groups, kinda odd isn't it?

9/3/2015 3:27:26 PM

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"A royal rumble is the the only proper solution to this fighting"

Big Boss Man vs. Farooq

9/3/2015 3:33:22 PM

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"Because of this, combined with socioeconomic stratification"

This. Wealth is the most relevant factor. "Wealthism" doesn't get outrage in the media of a capitalist country though, where racism always gets the outrage.

I only think the "black on black" crime statistics are relevant in response to the BLM movement. If you have an organization only looking at race, and only looking at cases where one race is victimized, championing criminals as martyrs, it's a valid point to show that BLM should be directed at Chicago gangs, not Bernie Sanders.

9/3/2015 3:52:32 PM

Well hey, the reason the BLM movement is focused on once race is because that one race has historically been systematically targeted, and in many cases denied being regarded as human beings. For some odd reason, people love to gloss over that fact. The BLM movement is to draw attention to one aspect of the violence problem, but does not diminish the other voices speaking out against other types of violence

Criticizing the BLM movement because it doesn't address all types of violence is silly. That's like rolling into a crack addiction support group, and whining about how "heroin makes people overdose too, why aren't you supporting them?!"

9/3/2015 6:17:12 PM

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"We've learned to imitoot you exarctly."

9/3/2015 7:08:55 PM

Chit Chat must be flattered by The Soap Box

9/3/2015 7:48:45 PM

^^^^ why are you so adamantly against racism being a major factor when it comes to things dealing with race?

9/3/2015 8:44:44 PM

I learned in this thread this have support groups for specific types of drugs.

9/3/2015 9:27:20 PM

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"one race has historically been systematically targeted, and in many cases denied being regarded as human beings"

Very true.

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"Criticizing the BLM movement because it doesn't address all types of violence is silly."

Addressing white cop on black criminal violence is silly when it is such a small part of the picture, but that's the sensational narrative the media and liberals want go with. Is it a problem when it happens? Yes, but nobody disagrees that it isn't.

I would criticize the BLM "movement" because it's only mission is to cause division. This is why "all lives matter"... because nobody disagrees that black lives matter, but the expectation that we pay lip service to the hubris of uncivil racebaiting needs to be challenged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-ZSP0zAuI

A moment of silence for Michael Brown... a young man who beat up a clerk to rob cigars from a convenience store, later to be killed in a fight he picked with a police officer. Of course, if they picked better martyrs, it wouldn't be divisive enough, and division is the real mission here.

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"^^^^ why are you so adamantly against racism being a major factor when it comes to things dealing with race?"

Things only deals with race because we (or the media) chooses that is the case. I only bring up black on black violence when white cop on unarmed black criminal violence (aka 1% of cases and 100% of media coverage) is paraded as an epidemic. When black on black violence, is statistically the epidemic. Black lives only matter to liberals when white people are the ones pulling the trigger (If you're a victim you will vote democrat right?).

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 12:42 AM. Reason : .]

9/4/2015 12:37:37 AM

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"Addressing cop on civilian violence..."

Is more like it, but fuck me for getting in the way of your bullshit bias.

9/4/2015 12:42:28 AM

? I agree, removing race from the equation is what I have been saying all along. Hence wealth over skin color.

I've been in support of cameras on cops, claiming it was an all-race societal police brutality issue from day one. You bleeding heart liberals are the ones that only bring up race and claim it is a racial issue. You have the bullshit bias towards race-based victimization.

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/4/2015 12:51:35 AM

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"I agree, removing race from the equation is what I have been saying all along"

except all you ever post about is race

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"Addressing white cop on black criminal violence is silly"

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"I would criticize the BLM "movement" because it's only mission is to cause division. "

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"because nobody disagrees that black lives matter, but the expectation that we pay lip service to the hubris of uncivil racebaiting needs to be challenged:"

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" I only bring up black on black violence when white cop on unarmed black criminal violence (aka 1% of cases and 100% of media coverage) is paraded as an epidemic. When black on black violence, is statistically the epidemic. Black lives only matter to liberals when white people are the ones pulling the trigger"

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 12:56 AM. Reason : I could go on...]

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 12:57 AM. Reason : but GG being a HUR-lite.]

9/4/2015 12:56:16 AM

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"Addressing white cop on black criminal violence is silly when it is such a small part of the picture, but that's the sensational narrative the media and liberals want go with. Is it a problem when it happens? Yes, but nobody disagrees that it isn't. I would criticize the BLM "movement" because it's only mission is to cause division. This is why "all lives matter"... because nobody disagrees that black lives matter, but the expectation that we pay lip service to the hubris of uncivil racebaiting needs to be challenged:"

there is video of cops killing a 12 year old with a toy gun before even giving the kid a chance to talk, choking a man to death for selling loose cigarettes, and shooting a man in the back while running for his life.

what do those 3 people have in common?

each video clearly shows cops not giving a damn about the human life that they just took and caring only about covering their own asses since the corpses aren't able to give their side of the story.

couple that with all of the federal investigations and reports that have come out regarding the practices of the Ferguson Police Department and one would think you'd start to realize why the movement started and why it matters. it wasn't started to cause division. it was started to shine a light on practices carried out by authorities for decades. authorities representing the state, not civilians.

it's fair to find fault in the tactics of the movement, but to dismiss it completely is nothing but ignorant. there's too much evidence out there to be so ignorant. also kind of absurd to treat each incident as an isolated incident when almost every case shares the same characteristics.

one would hope that after multiple threads of people pointing these things out to you that at least some of it would start to sink in.

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 1:04 AM. Reason : .]

9/4/2015 1:02:40 AM

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"except all you ever post about is race"

I've responded to the liberal-whining race-baiters who ONLY SEE RACE and VICTIMS, so yes race is a topic in many of my posts. I've been saying there are non-race factors from the start.

9/4/2015 10:23:26 AM

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"there is video of cops killing a 12 year old with a toy gun before even giving the kid a chance to talk, choking a man to death for selling loose cigarettes, and shooting a man in the back while running for his life. "

Finally you've uncovered the truth. Clearly this proves that Cops hate black people and are itching for an excuse to cap one, taking one mouth off the welfare and one penis out from their white daughters legs!

#AllLivesMatter
#RobotLivesMatter

9/4/2015 11:31:49 AM

What's wrong with you?

9/4/2015 11:53:53 AM

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"Black on black crime compared to cop on black shootings. That analogy wasn't difficult."

not difficult, just really dumb and racist since there is more white on white crime

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"I've responded to the liberal-whining race-baiters who ONLY SEE RACE and VICTIMS"

i don't think the idiot who started this thread with a post only about race and victims is a liberal

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2015 1:09:25 PM

I have a question,

If one day we get to a point where people don't really think about skin color before judging someone based on their actions and qualifications but the there is still a strong socioeconomic segregation and certain less fortunate socioeconomic groups have a similar ethnicity:

Has racism ended?

9/4/2015 3:30:54 PM

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"If one day we get to a point where people don't really think about skin color"

GOOBACKS

9/4/2015 3:48:47 PM