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"I'm curious of why they weren't on guard already or why there wasn't ash around the entire temple or the temple wall. You have this thing (MiB/Smokey) that you're worried about, why not be prepared? They didn't flip out until they knew Jacob was dead. It was just recently in the temple walls and catacombs. So there was nothing stopping him from getting in even when Jacob was alive. At least there didn't appear to be."

because Jacob was keeping him in check, now that hes dead, smoke monster can fuck shit up

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 2:04 PM. Reason : $$$]

2/3/2010 2:03:41 PM

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"because Jacob was keeping him in check, now that hes dead, smoke monster can fuck shit up"

my thoughts exactly

2/3/2010 2:05:02 PM

I was thinking about the ashes, and why they dont have them permanently.

I wonder if the ashes also keep Jacob from crossing. When he was alive, if they wanted him to come and go from the temple, they wouldnt be able to have the ashes.

I just thought of that, so there may be no basis, but figured it was worth sharing.

2/3/2010 2:06:00 PM

they had decided jacob left the cabin after seeing the broken ash, so yes it's highly likely that he can't cross it either.

2/3/2010 2:08:21 PM

This link was just posted on the facebook lost page:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

Good info!

2/3/2010 2:09:08 PM

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"but fake Locke said something along the lines of, the irony of the situation is that while Locke is the only one that wanted to stay on the island, all i want to do is leave, the temple is on the island, i don't think that is his home."

I thought he said 'all i want to do is go home' not leave. Home may very well be on the island, and in the temple.

2/3/2010 2:23:17 PM

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"they had decided jacob left the cabin after seeing the broken ash, so yes it's highly likely that he can't cross it either."

but if the ash was put around the cabin to keep jacob inside, how would he have been able to visit sun, jin, jack, sayid, etc if he couldn't leave the cabin?

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"I thought he said 'all i want to do is go home' not leave. Home may very well be on the island, and in the temple."

why would he talk about the irony of the fact that locke never wanted to leave if he didn't want to leave either? he came from somewhere other than the island, and he wants to get back to wherever that is.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 2:23:55 PM

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"We're all just making guesses,..."

Yes, but some are better than others.

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"There could be enough sands in the hourglass for them to sacrifice someone. "

People die at different times because they can retain oxygen for different periods. they timer is definitely not a death timer, but, rather, a timer for healing. why would they have a random death timer at a pool of healing? I'm not saying that jacob isn't in sayid's body, but I do not believe it was an intentional murder. again, there is evidence that the others did not know jacob was dead and that the letter said to make sure sayid lives.

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"which is why she told Sawyer they should have coffee and go dutch, and also told Miles that “it worked”."

I think she was just delusional. If it was another timeline, such as the one that we have witnessed, there is no evidence that she and sawyer would have met let alone be in a relationship.

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"There is a third “entity” aside from Jacob/MiB that is currently inhabiting Richard’s body."

I disagree with this based on Richard informing us that Jacob made him the way he is. If he, too, was an entity or some sort of original inhabitant i don't think jacob would have made him anything.

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" whatever. it's pretty sophomoric to think they wrote locke on the plane to be a cripple who randomly starts up a conversation with a stranger, is a very nice guy, and lies through his teeth. what is his motivation for that?"

are you really this dense? the motivation was the parallels of their relationship in this timeline and the other. This was made clear by the dialog. Boone states "if we crash on an island, i'm sticking with you". moreover, as we know, locke hates been treating as a cripple. this was even evident on his face when the assistants were coming to remove him from the plane. telling someone you went on a walkabout instead of saying i came here and was told to leave because i'm a cripple is more fulfilling because you don't come off as a loser and for a second you can sort of believe it yourself.

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"did we ever see the statue destroyed in 1977 though? the only time i think it was ever addressed was during this conversation in the season 5 finale:"

sawyer, miles, jules, etc.. were time traveling and were at a period where the statue was visible. they then traveled to 1973 and the statue was no longer visible. this has lead me to believe the statue was destroyed by this point. I feel there have been a few other indicators as well. however, i am not certain.


i can certainly tell it is cloud season again.

2/3/2010 2:26:22 PM

the cabin has been uninhabited for quite some time. when ben took locke there jacob was gone.

2/3/2010 2:26:36 PM

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"they had decided jacob left the cabin after seeing the broken ash, so yes it's highly likely that he can't cross it either."

I don't think that's exactly right.

They saw that the ash had been broken. They then went in and found Jacob wasn't there. She came out and said something like "He hasn't been here for some time, but someone else has been using it"

The broken ash could have simply been what let MiB in to use it. We have no idea of whether or not the ash keeps Jacob from crossing.

2/3/2010 2:28:56 PM

i'm not sure that was really jacobs cabin. jacob, from what we can tell, has been in the statue for some time. i wondered if the cabin really belonged to Mib and the circle was there to keep him out. Iliana or whatever seemed to know jacob lived in the statue (hence the code phrase). i think they went to the cabin to check out monster boy and see if he was where he belonged. why would they burn jacob's place?

2/3/2010 2:29:08 PM

Did anybody else think it was weird how easy Ben could kill Jacob? I don't mean how Jacob didn't put up a fight.. I just feel like if you're that powerful it should take more than a few stabs to kill you. Not only that, but when he rolled into the fire it looked like he had been doused in lighter fluid - flames went up quick! (Not that a detail like that would matter, but it was annoying >_> )

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 2:29:23 PM

^^ that's what i thought initially, that it was never Jacob's cabin and the people before were being tricked by MiB or something. But Ilana's people are working for Jacob, and it seemed like they were trying to find Jacob. I'm pretty sure they went to the cabin first because they thought they'd find jacob there. Then they saw the broken ash and got suspicious. Went in and found nobody to be there. She came out and said he wasn't there. The piece of the tapestry she found in the cabin is what led them to the statue.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 2:32:26 PM

Samwise, seriously

2/3/2010 2:36:03 PM

^ ???? I feel like they could have made it look a little harder. It was just an annoyance with how they executed it in the show, damn dude.

2/3/2010 2:37:44 PM

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"I think she was just delusional. If it was another timeline, such as the one that we have witnessed, there is no evidence that she and sawyer would have met let alone be in a relationship. "

I dont think she was delusional. In that link I posted just a bit ago, the producers say that they want to show you how the people are intertwined in the alternate timeline, even if the plane hadnt crashed. I think Juliette knew that the bomb worked, as she told Miles, because she has seen the alternate timeline.

A good example is Kate getting into the cab, and Claire being a passenger in it already.

2/3/2010 2:38:48 PM

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"sawyer, miles, jules, etc.. were time traveling and were at a period where the statue was visible. they then traveled to 1973 and the statue was no longer visible. this has lead me to believe the statue was destroyed by this point. I feel there have been a few other indicators as well. however, i am not certain."

i don't think they ever showed a shot of the same place where the statue was in the unknown time period they were in before 1974. it's possible that the statue could've still been there and they just didn't show it.

2/3/2010 2:39:48 PM

they were by the well. at one time the statue was there, and at the next time (1974) the statue was not. the people never moved, and assuming the statue didn't move i can only conclude the statue had fallen.

I recant my previous statement. the imagery is not as definite as what I was thinking. i was thinking about season 5, episode 8.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 2:58 PM. Reason : recant]

2/3/2010 2:42:39 PM

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"I feel like they could have made it look a little harder. It was just an annoyance with how they executed it in the show, damn dude."

Dude, chill bro. That shit happened last season dude.

2/3/2010 2:42:42 PM

Oh hahaha yeah. I totally watched the season finale last night for the first time (I KNOWWWWW, awful for a LOST fan)... I guess I forgot that wasn't this season.

2/3/2010 2:57:45 PM

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"I recant my previous statement. the imagery is not as definite as what I was thinking. i was thinking about season 5, episode 8."

i also don't think the hydrogen bomb would've caused the fertility problems since the problems existed before they detonated the bomb and therefore couldn't have been caused by an event that hadn't occurred yet.

2/3/2010 3:01:08 PM

I'm glad I said something worthwhile in this thread now bahaha

2/3/2010 3:02:39 PM

the problems did not exist prior to the detonation of the bomb. there is record of island births as late as 1974 and 1977

2/3/2010 3:03:36 PM

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"^^ that's what i thought initially, that it was never Jacob's cabin and the people before were being tricked by MiB or something. But Ilana's people are working for Jacob, and it seemed like they were trying to find Jacob. I'm pretty sure they went to the cabin first because they thought they'd find jacob there. Then they saw the broken ash and got suspicious. Went in and found nobody to be there. She came out and said he wasn't there. The piece of the tapestry she found in the cabin is what led them to the statue."

MiB had been there, in the form of Christian.

2/3/2010 3:07:42 PM

^ right, thus why she said somebody else had been using it. It was Jacob's cabin, but MiB had been using it for some time.

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"the problems did not exist prior to the detonation of the bomb. there is record of island births as late as 1974 and 1977"

I'm not sure the bomb ever went off on their original time-line (the time-line with the no babies problem). The bomb went off on the one where the flight made it back to LAX. The crater at the swan that Jack, Kate, etc. found was not from a bomb. It was from Desmond.

2/3/2010 3:14:57 PM

^exactly what i was about to post, the bomb didn't go off in the timeline with the fertility problems

2/3/2010 3:16:14 PM

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"MiB had been there, in the form of Christian."

which begs the question, why did he want/need claire to be safe.



Important questions that no one is asking:

What did Illana think Frank was a candidate for?
What was the significance of whats her face and the two kids being "good" back in season one other than the kids probably having school?
If Jacob had sayid taken there so that he could take his body then why did Sayid not know what was going on [i guess this could be jacob trying to trick everyone as MiB did] ?
Why did the others give up on him so early?
Why didn't richard put up a fight & if richard is dead why could MiB kill richard but not jacob [maybe there is some significance in the rug beneath the statue it was something along the lines of "He who will save/protect us all" so maybe that location protects jacob from harm


What is the loophole / rules associated with it

2/3/2010 3:18:44 PM

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 3:23 PM. Reason : beaten by duro]

2/3/2010 3:22:10 PM

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"What was the significance of whats her face and the two kids being "good" back in season one other than the kids probably having school?"

wat?

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"Why didn't richard put up a fight & if richard is dead why could MiB kill richard but not jacob "

i don't think anyone (except for maybe you apparently) thinks richard is dead, he just got his ass beat.

2/3/2010 3:22:21 PM

i don't think MiB = Christian. MiB didn't need Locke's body, but Christian's was never found. i think it's Jacob's doing.

2/3/2010 3:22:59 PM

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"i don't think MiB = Christian. MiB didn't need Locke's body, but Christian's was never found. i think it's Jacob's doing."

and christian was in the cabin when the ash circle around it was still intact. he couldn't have entered if he was MiB.

2/3/2010 3:24:34 PM

a better way to make that statement would be to say that fertility issues did not exist prior to the date of the bomb explosion.

and, yes, i know the crater wasn't from the bomb blast. the bomb blast was 30 years ago.

we do not know if the alternate timeline is the result of the bomb blast or the result of something that we have not see as yet. given charlotte's memories of daniel we know that jack et al. have always been members of dharma in the 70's. I do not see why during one time cycle they would decide to use a nuke and in another time iteration of the cycle they would not. From season 2 on we've known dr. chang's hand get maimed which we see take place during the fight over the hydrogen bomb. to me this further indicates the bomb has always been deployed.

2/3/2010 3:24:46 PM

anyone have any thoughts on the red mark on Jacks neck when he went into the bathroom in the plane?

2/3/2010 3:35:53 PM

i wonder when we'll get a glimpse of 1977 post-jughead/pocket of island energy release. at least with the on-island timeline, the "whatever happened happened" thing is still true.

2/3/2010 3:39:02 PM

I'm pretty sure the alternate time-line started the second they went back in time. But you're right, we don't know for sure that the bomb didn't go off in both time-lines. And there are things to suggest that some of the events were the same.

But we do know that it seemingly went off in one of them. And in that one, they never ended up crashing on the island. It was underwater for some reason. So there must be some big difference.

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"i don't think MiB = Christian. MiB didn't need Locke's body, but Christian's was never found. i think it's Jacob's doing."

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"and christian was in the cabin when the ash circle around it was still intact. he couldn't have entered if he was MiB."

Good points.

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"Why didn't richard put up a fight & if richard is dead why could MiB kill richard but not jacob "

Richard was attacked sorta unexpectedly. And we have no reason to think richard can handle himself well. He just got his ass beat. And from what we know, Richard is not whatever Jacob is. So why would we expect what applies to one to apply to the other?

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 3:39:44 PM

I don't see a reason to spend any time in post-bomb 77.

2/3/2010 3:40:14 PM

i wonder why have christian's clothes been different. we've seen him wearing the suit as well as more casual clothes. every other dead person has been wearing the clothes they had on when they were brought to the island (locke, yemi) or what they were wearing when they died (alex)

i'm also wondering if colleen's body was burned and sent out to sea after she died from being shot by sun in season 3 because the others knew that the smoke monster could use her body if she was only buried.

richard also seemed concerned back in the 70s when young ben told him that he saw his mother and that she had died off the island.

and would a lot of people be upset if i posted the names of the rest of the episodes of season 6 that have been released just to piss off mambagrl?

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 4:08:37 PM

I think burying them would be enough. Richard made a point about needing to bury the body/bodies of the others that were killed when Sawyer and them stopped jumping in time and met up with Darhma.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 4:10:55 PM

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"Important questions that no one is asking: What did Illana think Frank was a candidate for?"

no one's asking because that's all that's been mentioned about it, and it'd be a waste of time talking about what she meant when there's not even enough information to develop a theory.

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"What is the loophole / rules associated with it"

that MiB himself couldn't kill jacob

2/3/2010 4:19:42 PM

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"Sayid is a bad ass."

This became an established fact after he used his feet to break someone's neck.

2/3/2010 4:29:52 PM

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"every other dead person has been wearing the clothes they had on when they were brought to the island (locke, yemi) or what they were wearing when they died (alex)"

Actually, Locke was wearing khakis and a white shirt with a check pattern on the Oceanic flight, and he was dressed in a suit on the Ajira flight.

2/3/2010 4:30:43 PM

^ I think he was referring to people who have appeared after they were supposedly dead, and specifically what they were wearing when they appeared (even though they were dead). Locke was still alive on and after the oceanic flight. He was dead and in a coffin on the Ajira flight.

MiB appeared as him in the suit. Yemi was in his priest's outfit. Christian has shown up in both a suit (which he was wearing in the coffin), and in some clothes akin to what the others wear.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:53 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 4:47:52 PM

^yeah I see what you mean, but he made specific reference to Locke (or rather Locke's clothes) as a MiB manifestation. My point was that Locke wore the khakis and white shirt on the first trip, and a suit on the second trip, neither of which are what the MiB was wearing for the majority of the time when he was manifested in the form of Locke. I think you're right that MiBLocke first appeared in a suit, then changed into regular drab green commando gear. But if that's the case, then the MiB can change clothes whenever he wants and the discussion is moot.

All I'm saying is that I don't think that clothes are a big deal either way, as there hasn't been any discernable pattern/trend yet. I could be and most likely am wrong, but that's just my $.02

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 4:54:48 PM

He had the suit on when he took the form of locke. If you look through pictures of him during last season, he has the suit on. Loses the jacket. and eventually the button-up. I think what he is wearing now is just the slacks and an undershirt, or they could be cargo pants with a t-shirt.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_entity#After_the_crash_of_Ajira_Flight_316


either way, all that really says he that he first appeared in the same wardrobe as the body. He obviously was able to remove the clothes. no reason to think he couldn't completely change clothes. And assuming he was yemi; maybe if he used his form more, he may have changed clothes. Same with locke, he's been with other people most of the time while he's been locke. it would be weird for him to go into the bushes for 20 minutes and come back in a different outfit.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 5:04:26 PM

Two things I wanted to point out that some people may not have noticed about the opening part when they were back on the plane:

1) On the original timeline, when Cindy (flight attendant) gave Jack the extra bottles of vodka, she gave him two. Last night she only gave him one.

2) When the initial turbulence started on the original timeline, Jack told Rose not to worry because planes "want to be in the air." Last night, Rose said it to Jack.



Also, when Jack was trying to resuscitate Sayid, why was Kate being such a bitch? Jack is a trained doctor and from what I understand if you get to a person soon enough after they have drowned, there is a good chance you can get them breathing again. Considering Charlie was dead for like 10 mins in Season 1 when Ethan hung him from that tree and Jack was able to bring him back (and Kate was there), I'd think she'd let him try.

2/3/2010 5:33:29 PM

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"1) On the original timeline, when Cindy (flight attendant) gave Jack the extra bottles of vodka, she gave him two. Last night she only gave him one. 2) When the initial turbulence started on the original timeline, Jack told Rose not to worry because planes "want to be in the air." Last night, Rose said it to Jack."

i was thinking about bringing that up earlier. also, i think charlie walked past jack on the way to the bathroom to do heroine or whatever in the original pilot. i posted this a while back in case anyone else wants to point out anything else that happened differently in "LA X"

2/3/2010 5:41:13 PM

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"Also, when Jack was trying to resuscitate Sayid, why was Kate being such a bitch? Jack is a trained doctor and from what I understand if you get to a person soon enough after they have drowned, there is a good chance you can get them breathing again. Considering Charlie was dead for like 10 mins in Season 1 when Ethan hung him from that tree and Jack was able to bring him back (and Kate was there), I'd think she'd let him try."

I didn't take it as her being a bitch so much as trying to get jack to let it go. Jack has a tendency to go overboard with "not losing" people. Well beyond the point of it making a difference. And while there has been an occasion or two where it worked, Sayid was shot in the stomach. Jack himself said he couldn't save him. So if the magic healing spring wasn't going to save him, what was Jack really going to do by resuscitating him?

2/3/2010 5:57:08 PM

Oh and btw, I had forgotten how much of a dick Jin used to be and how much of a creepo Sawyer used to be.


PS - I'm glad they got Matt Parkman to do the pilot's voice. Back when Season 1 premiered he was the pilot of the plane but nobody knew who Matt Parkman was back then since it was before Heroes started.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 7:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 6:58:51 PM

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"I had forgotten how much of a dick Jin used to be"

BUTTON YOUR SWEATER

2/3/2010 7:01:42 PM

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2/3/2010 7:07:05 PM