there are health benefits to drinking alcohol in moderation.

there are no health benefits to smoking cigs in any capacity.

yes, people consume alcohol in excess and it leads to negative impacts on others SOMETIMES. Smoking cigs around others AT ALL leads to negative impacts 100% of the time.

so, wtf are you talking about McD? I don't wish harm on anyone which is why this law is incredible.

1/4/2010 11:03:49 AM

OH I'M JUST SWANGIN FROM YOUR E-PEEN MCDANGER DONT MIND ME

1/4/2010 11:04:12 AM

^that just made me spit out my water

1/4/2010 11:04:30 AM

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"Smoking cigs around others AT ALL leads to negative impacts 100% of the time."

Driving on 440 wrecks your lungs way worse than being around secondhand smoke occasionally. A study earlier cited that LIVING with a smoker increases your lung cancer chances by 20-30%, but that's from the base rate in the population which is fucking tiny. And that's living with a smoker, not just interacting with some occasionally while drinking.

Nobody denies it's probably bad to be around secondhand smoke, but it's not very bad in the context of going out, at least not compared to all of that booze you're about to swill down. In terms of social ills, secondhand smoke pales in comparison to alcohol.

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"so, wtf are you talking about McD? I don't wish harm on anyone which is why this law is incredible."

Maybe not you, but just read through the thread to observe a bunch of fucking psychopaths that fantasize about doing direct, intentional harm to people.

Too many posters on my dick shit's stren-u-ous

1/4/2010 11:08:12 AM

I am just glad its not gonna stink inside places anymore, and my coat wont stick when I go out.

I am getting a new car in a couple of months and smoking is gonna be banned at all times inside that as well.

1/4/2010 11:08:21 AM

look guys, when enjoying my retarded, dangerous habit you are not allowed to enjoy your retarded, dangerous habit

I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO DICTATE TO BAR OWNERS THAT THEY ARE TO SERVE ME IN A SMOKE-FREE ROOM

1/4/2010 11:09:56 AM

that's the thing though, smoking being banned in restaurants is a way bigger deal to me than being banned in bars.

nothing worse than being about to NomNom on some delicious food (that I'm paying a premium for, btw) and have a smoke ring envelop my head. Fucking. Gross.

1/4/2010 11:15:12 AM

I've never been a smoker and I'd prefer not to smell cigarette smoke (cigars and pipe tobacco don't bother me). But there are no guarantees in life--no matter what you do.

100-year-old celebrates her birthday by smoking 170,000th cigarette
August 2007

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"An iron-lunged pensioner has celebrated her 100th birthday by lighting up her 170,000th cigerette from a candle on her birthday cake. Winnie Langley started smoking only days after the First World War broke out in June 1914 when she was just seven-years-old - and has got through five a day ever since. She has no intention of quitting, even after the nationwide ban forced tobacco-lovers outside. Speaking at her 100th birthday party Winnie said: 'I have smoked ever since infant school and I have never thought about quitting.'"

http://tinyurl.com/9mz5ln

I love freedom more than I dislike tobacco smoke.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ^ I agree about restaurants.]

1/4/2010 11:15:33 AM

It's more understandable in the case of restaurants but I still want the guy that owns the building to make the call, not you, and not the goons downtown

1/4/2010 11:19:25 AM

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"look guys, when enjoying my retarded, dangerous habit you are not allowed to enjoy your retarded, dangerous habit I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO DICTATE TO BAR OWNERS THAT THEY ARE TO SERVE ME IN A SMOKE-FREE ROOM"

well thats what u get when u vote for socialiest president.

1/4/2010 11:19:29 AM

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"well thats what u get when u vote for socialiest president."

lolz

1/4/2010 11:20:38 AM

^^El. Oh. Fucking. El.

GTFO with that crap.

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"I still want the guy that owns the building to make the call"

and to a certain extent, I agree with you, but not at the expense of the public health. Apply for the permit if you want exemption.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:21:23 AM

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"I agree with you, but not at the expense of the public health."

Yeah god forbid when people drive to go consume a toxic substance that causes car crashes, typically through a highway that does massive damage to your lungs, that those people have to incur an immeasurably small amount of damage to their precious bodies

1/4/2010 11:24:39 AM

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"lolz "

hmmery, youu seem to be suggesting a free market solution? Mayhapes i can interest u in some purestrain tobacco?

1/4/2010 11:24:47 AM

I'm just saying we shouldn't do private ownership and legality in a half assed way

Either you own the place or you don't

Either shit is legal or it's not

1/4/2010 11:25:52 AM

MY GOD MCDANGER

last word much?

1/4/2010 11:26:06 AM

^^^^so say I walked or took public transpo to my favorite restaurant that doesn't even serve alcohol. Does that mean that I should still have to endure the secondhand smoke?

Your argument is silly and full of holes.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM. Reason : ^]

1/4/2010 11:27:03 AM

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"^^so say I walked or took public transpo to my favorite restaurant that doesn't even serve alcohol. Does that mean that I should still have to endure the secondhand smoke? Your argument is silly and full of holes."

I don't like obnoxious hipsters, so I avoid places where they hang out. I do this instead of trying to force the bar owner to keep hipsters out.

1/4/2010 11:28:49 AM

for reals tho i agree. Its pretty fucking dumb to be on the one hand hurrr cigarettes are bad for u gonna stop dat!! and at the sametime still have them legal at all. The worst part is the people who cant comprehend why its so fucking stupid.

i mean u know me im all for personal choice and while i cant stand the smell of cigs, im not about to do some dumb gay babby law to get rid of them in one specific situation where i might be inconvenienced.

1/4/2010 11:29:42 AM

There are so many bad aspects to this issue

You have people that love nothing more than to look down on other people for completely arbitrary reasons. Selecting something you don't do to rag on is a great way to do this; it means you need no virtues or accomplishments whatsoever in order to look down on other people. Just something they engage in and enjoy that you don't ... bam, now you can tickle your superiority clit without an ounce of worth.

The best part about it is that the arguments that the militant anti-smokers advance could easily be used to ban their own precious habits, but they will use those arguments (along with any tactics necessary) just to ban the things they don't like. Fuck personal liberty, fuck private property rights -- I think smoking is icky!!

1/4/2010 11:33:55 AM

and damn what about those gays???? Trying to get married?!?! This cannot stand they are gross and i dont like them because this book says so!! It also says i should be nice to ppl but fuck that its dumb.

1/4/2010 11:35:31 AM

Well, I will actually be a patron of Cup o' Joes now that the smoking is gone.

I was tired of going in there for 30 minutes and leaving coated with smoke, having to shower and wash my clothes afterwards. I'm not kidding. It was a fucking HAZE in there. I'm sure it wasn't too good for my health either.

1/4/2010 11:35:31 AM

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"You have people that love nothing more than to look down on other people for completely arbitrary reasons."

My health and well-being is NOT arbitrary, yo.

1/4/2010 11:36:26 AM

so dont go to joints that allow smoking. how goddamned hard is that?

1/4/2010 11:37:19 AM

I just want to add that it makes me smile that this ban has pissed all in McDanger and others' corn flakes and that there's exactly dick they can do about it.

1/4/2010 11:37:58 AM

UNNNGHHHH BUT I HAAVE TO GO THERE!!! There exists no other place where i can be at that time!

1/4/2010 11:38:10 AM

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"I just want to add that it makes me smile that this ban has pissed all in McDanger and others' corn flakes and that there's exactly dick they can do about it."

this is called karma. Smokers are feeling it, like whoa.

^guess it doesn't matter now, does it? LOL

1/4/2010 11:39:11 AM

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"so dont go to joints that allow smoking. how goddamned hard is that?"

I don't. That's why I avoided Cup o' Joes for a long time. I'll actually be spending a lot more time there now that the smoking has been banned.

1/4/2010 11:39:12 AM

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"I just want to add that it makes me smile that this ban has pissed all in McDanger and others' corn flakes and that there's exactly dick they can do about it."

!!!!

1/4/2010 11:39:26 AM

1/4/2010 11:41:10 AM

ohai

1/4/2010 11:41:34 AM

Some of us just elect to step outside and freeze our asses off to smoke.

I'll have to admit, it's nice to not have my clothes smelling like not only my cigarettes, but every other shithead's cigarettes.

Not so fond memories of going to the strip club and waking up the next morning to a pile of clothes on the floor reeking of stale beer, stripper funk, AND a dirty ashtray *HEAVE*

1/4/2010 11:41:53 AM

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"I just want to add that it makes me smile that this ban has pissed all in McDanger and others' corn flakes and that there's exactly dick they can do about it."

I, too, like to gloat like a fucking douchebag when I ram an unprincipled measure through state congress. Extra points if it needlessly and arbitrarily removes liberty from people different than me!

It won't affect me at bars since I quit smoking cigarettes 2 weeks ago, so fuck yourself.

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"My health and well-being is NOT arbitrary, yo."

You certainly treat it that way when you drink. Boy I hope you don't speed.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:41:57 AM

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"I don't. That's why I avoided Cup o' Joes for a long time. I'll actually be spending a lot more time there now that the smoking has been banned."

right on. The only good thing to come out of smoking bans was probably owners realizing there was a market for non-smokers. I bet if you repealed some of these bans alot of places would stay non-smoking.

1/4/2010 11:42:41 AM

You have the liberty to smoke outside.

1/4/2010 11:43:04 AM

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"It won't affect me at bars since I quit smoking cigarettes 2 weeks ago, so fuck yourself."

Seems like it already has. Your panties are in a bigger wad than Ahmadinnerjacket right now.

1/4/2010 11:43:42 AM

^^ What about the individual business owner's liberty?

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"It won't affect me at bars since I quit smoking cigarettes 2 weeks ago, so fuck yourself."

McDanger

Well, that does explain your irritability.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:44:23 AM

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"It won't affect me at bars since I quit smoking cigarettes 2 weeks ago, so fuck yourself."

Dude, it doesn't affect you because you live in fucking Pittsburgh. Quit bitching already.

1/4/2010 11:44:42 AM

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"^^ What about the individual business owner's liberty?"

Yes! I have a smoking bar no niggers allowed

1/4/2010 11:45:10 AM

hahah yes! Racism is exactly the same as wanting to allow smoking!

1/4/2010 11:45:59 AM

^^^hahhahaa. I love that McD is getting owned in here.

on a for serious note though, good luck with the quitting McD, I know that ain't easy.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ^]

1/4/2010 11:46:19 AM

^^^ That's a false analogy--and you know it.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:46:40 AM

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"You have the liberty to smoke outside."

You have the liberty to kiss my fucking ass you worthless sack of shit. You also have the liberty to stop IMing me frequently trying to show me various galleries of pictures you gathered by stalking TWW women. You also have the liberty to tell me how badly you fail when you go back to college yet again.

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"Yes! I have a smoking bar no niggers allowed"

Laws governing racial discrimination in commerce == smoking

Holy shit Gronke it gets clearer every day why you haven't become any smarter than the dumbest kid in my high school (you)

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"Seems like it already has. Your panties are in a bigger wad than Ahmadinnerjacket right now."

I happen to give a shit about personal liberty

1/4/2010 11:47:13 AM

McDumbass's argument about alcohol is just dumb. No one is telling you that you can't get your tobacco fix. You are more than welcome to partake in dip, chew, snuff, hell you can make some tobacco brownies for all I care. None of these items produce second hand effects that affect those around you and put them in potential danger. However, if you want to set the tobacco on fire in order to consume it, you have two choices: march your ass outside or don't go to any of the bars or restaurants that fall under the smoking ban. It is so incredibly simple.

And believe me, the day that people decide that the best way to consume alcohol is to burn it with fire in such a way as to create an obnoxious cloud of carcinogenic smoke that permeates everything around them, then I will support banning it as well. But for now, it doesn't.

Maybe you should think of this more as a ban on fire. Would that make you feel better?

1/4/2010 11:47:40 AM

It just blows my fucking mind

I'm probably the most socialist motherfucker on these boards and I'm arguing with YOU PEOPLE against curtailing the private property rights of bar owners

1/4/2010 11:48:56 AM

^^ What about instances in which tobacco smoke is being banned from private residences?

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:49:30 AM

ummm its only socialiest if its banning something i like

1/4/2010 11:49:59 AM

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"Well, that does explain your irritability."

I get extremely bent out of shape when people try to use the government to remove personal liberties. This is one thing you and I agree about that never gets stressed.

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"Dude, it doesn't affect you because you live in fucking Pittsburgh. Quit bitching already."

We already have a smoking ban here, have for a while. Always went outside to smoke. Going outside to smoke is not a big deal I did it all the time at peoples' houses. To me this is an issue of half-assed legality and half-assed private property rights.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:51:40 AM

Yes but isn't it up to the government to act sometimes to protect the interests of the people over private rights?

(SEE: Slavery)

1/4/2010 11:51:47 AM

^^ JK

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:52 AM. Reason : We probably agree on more--but you don't talk to me anymore. ]

1/4/2010 11:52:13 AM