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"is that before or after transition?"

both; notice how I ended that post with [/trollstatistics]

IMO those who attempt suicide are more likely to see a need for transitioning, and post-transition the rate of attempted suicide goes down; the NTDS asked whether the respondent ever attempted suicide, while I imagine if it had also taken the usual route of asking about attempts in the past year the reported rate among those who have undergone transition would be much lower than among those who have not

also FTMs had an even lower attempted-suicide rate than the general population (0.48% vs. 0.6%), 9% of trans people who have attempted suicide are FTM even though there are about as many FTMs as MTFs, and about 3 out of 5 trans people in the sex trade have tried offing themselves, an even higher rate than those who have undergone transition (51%)

6/14/2011 2:45:27 AM

You should put the same amount of time and effort into losing weight and making yourself happy, then worry about your "identity".

6/14/2011 9:03:26 AM

but see thouts is cheap and actions is expensive

6/14/2011 5:01:21 PM

If I didn't know better, I would have thought I was viewing the real-life test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijFYl9T57pQ

7/2/2011 8:00:26 AM

7/5/2011 7:33:48 PM

they trivially don't have friends

I mean human hermaphrodites don't exist

7/6/2011 7:57:53 AM

Getting fat makes the boobies bigger

[Edited on July 6, 2011 at 9:47 AM. Reason : Why do you insist on saying opressive stuff like that. They exist. Just not in big numbers or fully functional reproductively]

7/6/2011 9:43:39 AM

this is the key part

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"or fully functional reproductively"

a hermaphrodite is an individual with functional gonads characteristic of both sexes; plants are often like this, but humans with intersex conditions are not

7/6/2011 6:37:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9GhaCdLtd4

this video had me bawling

9/9/2011 7:21:39 PM

^^ that's not the only definition.

9/9/2011 8:20:10 PM

lewisje hijacked the shit out of this thread

9/10/2011 12:56:18 AM

I'm currently hijacking a shitty connection somewhere because my own Internets are out, but I'm surprised that Keith Caputo is currently keeping her remarkably masculine given name

I mean I'm surprised she hasn't already thout up another one for going en femme

9/10/2011 11:22:57 AM

This fab fem only really fits in this thread if you take the position of the activist organizations that variance in gender expression is included per se~♥ https://www.youtube.com/user/GregoryGORGEOUS

9/13/2011 6:56:32 AM

The Operation That Can Ruin Your Life

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"In a world where equality between men and women was reality, transsexualism would not exist. The diagnosis of GD needs to be questioned and challenged. We live in a society that, on the whole, respects the human rights of others. Accepting a situation where the surgeon's knife and lifelong hormonal treatment are replacing the acceptance of difference is a scandal. Sex-change surgery is unnecessary mutilation. Using human rights laws to normalise trans-sexualism has resulted in a backward step in the feminist campaign for gender equality. Perhaps we should give up and become men."

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/the-operation-that-can-ruin-your-life-features-november-09-julie-bindel-transsexuals?page=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0

That's just the last paragraph, but it's worth reading the whole article. It does seem like people end up going the SRS route, only to conform to the gender stereotype once the process is complete. What's the point?

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ]

9/15/2011 5:36:19 PM

jeez, this thread is still going on?

9/16/2011 1:46:25 PM

http://www.technicianonline.com/features/challenge-and-triumph-in-the-transgender-community-1.2623058

they just did an article about it in the technician

9/16/2011 2:34:45 PM

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"said she identifies as a genderqueer. She never felt quite like a boy or girl, but somewhere in between. Although born as a girl, she didn't identify with the typical girl things people expected her to be excited about. She waited 20 years to get comfortable and grow into a girl but she said it never happened."

aka...tomboy? Come on man/girl/whatever.

9/16/2011 2:56:09 PM

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"That's just the last paragraph, but it's worth reading the whole article. It does seem like people end up going the SRS route, only to conform to the gender stereotype once the process is complete. What's the point?"

that may seem true to someone as ignorant and uneducated on the subject as yourself but if you were to dig a little deeper and learn about real life trans people you would see that this statement is a joke. your perception of those people is simply what you have been presented in mainstream media. in reality trans people cover every inch of the gender spectrum of expression from the male and female side. young people especially.

9/16/2011 6:12:00 PM

Here's to hoping future developments in psychology and psychiatry can help these people.

9/16/2011 6:45:42 PM

make that neurosurgery

but the ability to change someone's gender identity would have grave implications for mind control generally

9/16/2011 6:59:58 PM

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"that may seem true to someone as ignorant and uneducated on the subject as yourself but if you were to dig a little deeper and learn about real life trans people you would see that this statement is a joke. your perception of those people is simply what you have been presented in mainstream media. in reality trans people cover every inch of the gender spectrum of expression from the male and female side. young people especially."

I don't think you actually read the article. I don't pay much attention to mainstream media outlets, so you're wrong there.

I'm saying there's probably a solution for these individuals that doesn't involve creating a bunch of artificial organs, getting breast implants, facial reconstruction, etc. Your reaction is exactly how the author of the article said it would be, though.

9/16/2011 7:03:07 PM

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9/16/2011 7:03:45 PM

this thread is worthless without pics

9/16/2011 7:07:23 PM

^thread has plenty already

^^^

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"I'm saying there's probably a solution for these individuals that doesn't involve creating a bunch of artificial organs, getting breast implants, facial reconstruction, etc."

That would involve changing the structures in their brains that make them sure of their gender; therapy and medication are now well-known to do jack shit and that's why WPATH recommends GCS and similar medical and surgical measures to transform the physical body to more closely correspond with the gender identity.

9/16/2011 8:41:57 PM

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"I'm saying there's probably a solution for these individuals that doesn't involve creating a bunch of artificial organs, getting breast implants, facial reconstruction, etc."

I wish that were the case.

I wish that people could love who they are and accept their bodies. Period.

However, I don't know how that will ever be the case, so I just embrace the diversity. And to be honest, I LOVE trannies.

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 9:07 PM. Reason : Girl on shemale is HAWT.]

9/16/2011 9:06:53 PM

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"I don't think you actually read the article. I don't pay much attention to mainstream media outlets, so you're wrong there. I'm saying there's probably a solution for these individuals that doesn't involve creating a bunch of artificial organs, getting breast implants, facial reconstruction, etc. Your reaction is exactly how the author of the article said it would be, though."

i did read the article actually. it doesnt make any damn sense and there will always be an irrational response given to anything i say.

i conform to gender stereotypes im holding feminism back. i transition and dont conform to stereotypes then why cant i be happy as a man anyway? like guys... repressed homosexual. like girls... fetishist who went too far. its impossible to win. theres a stupid reason assigned to each example i just gave that was created by some cissexual person who has no idea what theyre talking about just because they were comfortable with the box they were born into.

well im not comfortable with my box and neither are a lot of other people. its not so much about conforming to a specific gender. its about breaking free from it and doing what feels comfortable. about being comfortable with my gender and my body physically because im getting closer every day and before i was not. youll probably never understand because youre content in your box.

9/16/2011 9:38:08 PM

This survey is relevant to the interests of trans people: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/trans-barriers

11/5/2011 12:36:09 AM

I just read this hi-LAWL-rious send-up of John Michael Bailey: http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/bailey-divorce.html

11/30/2011 10:02:11 AM

theDuke866: damn you for posting Lola, now it'll be in my head all day.

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"I wish that people could love who they are and accept their bodies. Period. "

Sometimes the brain just doesn't wire in a way that's in accordance with the rest of the body. So it's either spend a lifetime hating what you are or try to become something you can be comfortable in.

We have the technology.


[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM. Reason : CC Fail]

11/30/2011 10:03:52 AM

I'm reading the book this interview is based on, about a cold and distant father who finally becomes a nice person once en femme and eventually discovers a transgender identity: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/story?id=125043&page=1

12/6/2011 1:19:11 PM

i'm full time now

12/31/2011 12:09:03 AM

k

12/31/2011 12:10:12 AM

k

12/31/2011 12:16:06 AM

we've met before BB

12/31/2011 12:25:31 AM

Attn BB, that wasn't a chick you were hitting on

12/31/2011 12:27:01 AM

12/31/2011 12:27:50 AM

Congrats, Catch 22; how's it been going so far?

12/31/2011 12:33:59 AM

the holidays sucked but theyre over now

12/31/2011 12:35:06 AM

12/31/2011 12:36:36 AM

^^ First time totally krossed out with some of the family? I don't remember enough of the thread to know if you've discussed family previously.

12/31/2011 12:41:29 AM

yeah it was pretty nerve wracking even though everyone was generally pleasant. they still need a lot of work on their pronouns though.

12/31/2011 12:44:01 AM

wow you gave us the impression earlier that you were already full-time

12/31/2011 12:59:15 AM

no i didnt. where?

12/31/2011 1:01:30 AM

congrats, must have been a difficult process

12/31/2011 1:01:46 AM

you have NO idea

12/31/2011 1:03:26 AM

I don't think anyone will know, that is an experience not many have, and obviously when it is your story it is much different. I am close to a few gay friends who had a hard time coming out, and my good friend who I knew since they were young and very confused and is a transexual who was disowned from their family and they attempted suicide once.. so I definitely feel for you and I am glad you made it!!!

12/31/2011 1:09:07 AM

^^^^I don't recall you saying either way, and the tone of your posts seemed to indicate that you had been presenting as female for a long time...

12/31/2011 1:11:21 AM

^^thanks!

nice people on tww, wtf?

^ no im pretty sure i originally said that i wasnt close to full time and wouldnt be for awhile. then i didnt post much. im not sure what kind of tone you think i had. being interested in trans politics and news doesnt necessarily mean someone is full time

[Edited on December 31, 2011 at 1:13 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2011 1:11:37 AM

^^ that doesn't mean everyone in her life actually knew.



^ I am only nice when people seem genuine





[Edited on December 31, 2011 at 1:13 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2011 1:12:09 AM

Did you at least give them a primer on how to treat you?

12/31/2011 1:13:36 AM