How long you going to play that card? Or we just going to keep this thread a joke just like our basketball program?

3/1/2011 11:08:11 PM

i was just asking a question. no need to get so defensive.

3/1/2011 11:10:38 PM

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"Or we just going to keep this thread a joke...?"

Are you suggesting that this thread has potential to do good?

3/1/2011 11:14:55 PM

No I suggested a new one and trash this one.

3/1/2011 11:24:37 PM

Stop posting SFN's wet dreams about Rick Barnes and get serious. I swear, you must be required to jack off to his picture in front of the rest of the staff before you can blog for them.

3/2/2011 8:35:46 AM

It is at least worth noting that the grumblings and criticism has been growing in Texas for a few years now. Say what you will about us not having a shot at him, but this is the exact type of shit that pushed TOB out of BC, so it's not unrealistic that he might consider a change of scenery.

IMO that's worth a discussion with an impending job opening here at State.

3/2/2011 8:47:51 AM

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"is there a real vacancy or coaching search now?"

I hope Yow is putting out feelers. I obviously don't know how this process goes when it's a foregone conclusion that the coach will be gone (apparently Fowler didn't know either)...but I'd like to think that Yow has the gears cranking (and hopefully that info from SFN is true).

I've probably posted it a dozen times now, but Yow needs to sit down individually with every player (exception of Smith of course) and tell them that this change is for the better and that they will be consulted and involved in the process of hiring a new coach (even if they really aren't). And get on the phone with the recruits and tell them that a new coach will be hired ASAP and for them to stay firm with their commitments until a hire is made. We're going to need HUGE damage control. It would be a shame to lose all this talent. Coaching changes don't always decimate programs like what happened to us five years ago...because every school doesn't have Fowler when coaching changes are made.

3/2/2011 9:17:10 AM

i hope this time state hires a basketball coach that has coached on some level of college basketball

3/2/2011 9:18:06 AM

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"is there a real vacancy or coaching search now?"

Yes.

3/2/2011 9:22:56 AM

DO YOU IDIOTS NOT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO HIRE RICK BARNES? THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD MAKE US LOOK WORSE THAN THAT IS IF WE TRIED IT AGAIN.

3/2/2011 10:14:38 AM

I haven't seen anyone advocate for that in this thread... at least not recently.

or is that packpride rage?

3/2/2011 10:16:23 AM

While it's retarded to even consider big names like donovan and barnes that would at best use us to get a raise at their current schools, it's pretty much impossible for Yow to somehow bungle things as badly as Fowler did. Presumably if she somehow did go after big names, it would be done in a professional way and not end up making us look like idiots again.

3/2/2011 10:17:40 AM

Exactly, if Yow does her job then we won't know if or which big names turn us down.

I don't think some of you actually realize how unprofessionally the last coaching search was executed, and it seems that some of you think that is the norm.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : . ]

3/2/2011 10:37:18 AM

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"DO YOU IDIOTS NOT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO HIRE RICK BARNES? THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD MAKE US LOOK WORSE THAN THAT IS IF WE TRIED IT AGAIN."

YEA THAT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR UNC WHEN THEY WENT AFTER ROY WILLIAMS AGAIN AFTER GETTING THE SHAFT THE 1ST TIME


CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK

3/2/2011 10:48:53 AM

^that's a great analogy....

3/2/2011 10:51:43 AM

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"I haven't seen anyone advocate for that in this thread... at least not recently. or is that packpride rage?"

on this very page:

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"It is at least worth noting that the grumblings and criticism has been growing in Texas for a few years now. Say what you will about us not having a shot at him, but this is the exact type of shit that pushed TOB out of BC, so it's not unrealistic that he might consider a change of scenery. IMO that's worth a discussion with an impending job opening here at State."

^^ incredibly incredibly different. roy williams was an alum and former assistant and that team was four years removed from a final four. rick barnes is from north carolina... and that's where the similarities end.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ^]

3/2/2011 10:52:30 AM

so what? there is no harm in going after a guy again. i mean how much worse could it make us look than we already do ourselves?

no shame in it.

3/2/2011 11:02:42 AM

^^

gotcha, i see why my ctrl+f missed it.

double facepalm + plus i wish i had more hands to increase the facepalm level at the people who think rick barnes will come here.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2011 11:13:00 AM

i dont think he would either. my point is why not try again. it wont make us "look bad", because we already DO.

3/2/2011 11:19:56 AM

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"i dont think he would either. my point is why not try again. it wont make us "look bad", because we already DO."

Every moment wasted on a pipe dream is a moment which you could have been using to pursue a realistic candidate. This is exactly what happened during our last coach. We went after grease hair and barnes and probably missed on a couple more realistic opportunities because of that.

3/2/2011 11:23:40 AM

Fuck Rick Barnes. He's almost 60 years old and will probably mail it in even if he does come. And we'll have to give him 2 mil plus. I still say let's go the mid-major route to find someone young and hungry.

3/2/2011 11:25:27 AM

I'm not sure what all the "face palming" is about. If we are willing to open up the wallet this time around there is absolutely no reason to not ask around for some established successful coaches. It would actually be stupid as fuck not to, and I would be pissed if Yow didn't ask around because she wouldn't be doing her JOB.

We have a lot to sell to a potential coach this time around:

- Coach in the historically premiere conference in the country
- State of the art facilities (the one thing Fowler didn't fuck up)
- A roster with a shit load of talent (will likely stick around if we land a big name coach)
- Raleigh in general (voted one of best cities in the country to live every year)
- NC State's own basketball history
- Some of the best fans in the nation

We sure as shit better be poking around for a home run hire. With a new AD we're in a better place this time around to knock it out of the park. Flame away.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 11:26 AM. Reason : . ]

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^^ dude the last coach search was executed abysmally, stop bringing it up]

3/2/2011 11:26:19 AM

3/2/2011 11:27:47 AM

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"Some of the best fans in the nation"

just out of curioustiy, what do you base that on? I've seen several articles recently that charecterize our fan base as a bunch of delusional jerks.

3/2/2011 11:29:04 AM

They call us delusional b/c we still follow a team that hasn't won a goddamn conference championship in over 20 years. Any other fan base would say fuck it and go to Walmart to buy a Carolina hat.

3/2/2011 11:31:11 AM

The delusional fanbase argument is always based on message board posters, which probably makes up 2% of all State fans. Sports writers are just smart for poking the easily offended bear.

3/2/2011 11:32:27 AM

^

^^

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2011 11:32:38 AM

<o_o>

3/2/2011 11:40:26 AM

so folks like boozie and boner are the ones they're talking about? they're responsible for the national articles that demonize our fans as jerks?

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 11:52 AM. Reason : ]

3/2/2011 11:52:32 AM

Texas can check all the boxes on Milkboner's list

And speaking of checks, they can write much larger ones than we can

3/2/2011 11:59:58 AM

^^Fuck. You are such a fucking troll and always derailing threads.

No your right Bullet, our fans are fucking awful so that's the reason we shouldn't even try to go after a competent coach. You're right I'm wrong, move along now please.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:01 PM. Reason : ^there's other coaches out there beside Rick Barnes]

3/2/2011 12:00:32 PM

milkboner is like the westboro baptist of sports talk

3/2/2011 12:01:12 PM

^^What? I never said our fans are awful. I never said anything about not going after a competent coach. How/where did you come up with that?

However, I did infer that you're an awful fan.


[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:06 PM. Reason : ]

3/2/2011 12:05:39 PM

The one box Barnes can't check on my list is coaching in the ACC.

But anyway the main point I was trying to get across is that it would be stupid to not even try to land a home run hire.

3/2/2011 12:10:20 PM

we're a "passionate" and "hungry" fanbase, but we "ran off" our old coach

depends on who you ask

3/2/2011 12:12:46 PM

Big 12 is a better conference than the ACC right now

3/2/2011 12:13:11 PM

I think the subtext under "Coaching in the ACC" for Rick Barnes says something to the effect of "Been there, done that"

3/2/2011 12:13:52 PM

Right now, this season, I agree that there are a few conferences better than the ACC, however I don't think that means the ACC has been displaced as the best conference historically, and should remain on top in the foreseeable future (but that's a whole other debate).

Barnes is getting criticism right now from Texas fans.. They gonna run him oft.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM. Reason : then Texas fans will be villainized by the media for half a decade]

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM. Reason : and the full circle will be complete ]

3/2/2011 12:19:32 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02texas.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1299005652-i5Axo9Diwgc+Al1KCMd9zA

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"“I would have cared 10 years ago,” he said of critics questioning his 19-18 N.C.A.A. tournament record. “This is not the most important thing in my life. It’s what I do, but it’s not the most important thing in my life.”"

just the guy we want right?

3/2/2011 12:20:02 PM

^I swear there was an article a few years back where he said his main focus was to get his players to the NBA...not success in the tournament. I remember it ruffling some feathers in Texas.

Call me crazy...but I'm definitely not enamored with Barnes. He's had some of the best players in the country over the past 10 years and has had extremely mediocre results in the tourney...and below average results in relation to his talent.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, but there are other high profile coaches that I'd rather have (that we won't be able to get anyways...so the point is moot).

3/2/2011 12:22:51 PM

Yeah. I want him.

3/2/2011 12:22:55 PM

i'm sure his family is more important than his job.

we should probably go after watson afterall. no family to care about.

3/2/2011 12:24:49 PM

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"Yeah. I want him."

Obviously...and if we go high profile (which we can't/won't), we could do better.

I still think we go mid-major...and I'm perfectly content with that. Just hope he's a good one!

3/2/2011 12:26:55 PM

There are a lot of coaches who can lose in the second round every year, and they don't all cost $4 million per.

3/2/2011 12:28:19 PM

Yeah, but that $4 mil/year pretty much guarantees a tourney appearance every single year.

3/2/2011 12:31:28 PM

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"Call me crazy...but I'm definitely not enamored with Barnes. He's had some of the best players in the country over the past 10 years and has had extremely mediocre results in the tourney"

agreed, he's definitely a good coach, but seems like he consistently uncerachieves in relation to his talent....Granted, he's been to the tourney all those consecutive years, and had the occasional deep run, but I'm just not convinced he'd be worth what we'd have to pay to get him.

If money's going to be thrown around, id rather try to attone for the last searches mistake and go after sean miller.

3/2/2011 12:32:39 PM

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"Yeah, but that $4 mil/year pretty much guarantees a tourney appearance every single year. "

Problem being, a tourney appearance is not worth $4 million.

3/2/2011 12:34:04 PM

How about a guaranteed tourney appearance every single year, sprinkled in with a final four, a couple of elite 8's and a couple of sweet sixteens in a period of 12 years?

I'd rather take a chance that someone with that resume could potentially win a national championship here than take a chance on an up-and-comer who has a 50% chance of flaming out completely for half the price.

I mean seriously, what are the odds an unproven up and comer has a resume even close to that?

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2011 12:38:38 PM

Guy would be making as much as Coach K, the highest-paid coach in the country, and has never won a conference title at UT, has one Final Four appearance, and underachieves almost every single year.

For that price, no thanks.

3/2/2011 12:40:39 PM

He only makes 2mil/year according to Wiki. I have no idea how accurate that is but if so we could probably land him for less than 4/year.

What a huge step up he would be, I'm not sure why you'd turn Barnes away if he wanted to come here. In favor of an unproven up and comer? It'd be assinine.

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2011 12:43:09 PM