Romney wants to rob from 99% of Americans to give to the 1%. He is the anti-Robin Hood!

8/26/2012 6:38:25 PM

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"It will! If the democrats control all 3 branches of government! "

yeah cause we sure made leaps and bounds when Democrats controlled them all 3 for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency.

8/26/2012 7:07:45 PM

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"His policies are doing exactly what he has designed them to do. Go see 2016 and you will see what I mean. Amazing."

This is the second time today I've heard someone say this ... Please ... The movie as an election stunt of speculation and innuendo. The worst part is that people treat it seriously - like it's something other than one man's imagination ... You know how much credence I give to right-wing documentaries that predict total collapse if Obama is re-elected? ... None, that's how much ... Or, to quote some reviewers:

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"Washington Post: "fear-mongering of the worst kind". Variety's film critic Joe Leydon critiqued the film, writing that "for the bulk of its running time, the pic comes off as a cavalcade of conspiracy theories, psycho-politico conjectures and incendiary labeling.""

[Edited on August 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM. Reason : *~<]Bob]

8/26/2012 10:10:47 PM

Go see it and make up your own mind. The news is full of bullshit.
Use your brain. Does anything BHO is doing really make sense?

8/26/2012 10:14:39 PM

i'm pretty apathetic about politics, on some "whoever is in charge, i'll do my best to make a living" type perspective

but one thing that grinds my gears about one of Obama's ads is when he's like "thats what got us in the mess in the first place"

like you didn't have 3+ years to get us out of "the mess"

8/26/2012 10:20:30 PM

It took 12 years and a world war to get us out of the Great Depression. What the fuck do you expect him to do?

8/26/2012 10:23:59 PM

you mean it took robbing other countries

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/26/2012 10:25:56 PM

Not make it worse

8/26/2012 10:26:19 PM

Please explain how he has made it worse.

8/26/2012 10:27:10 PM

i dunno, maybe not bamboozle everybody with his hope and change campaign that he'll fix everything in the near future?

honestly i wouldnt expect shit, because just like (insert any politician ever), he's a fucking politician, so i'd just expect him to do whatever he could to get money/power

OMG HE'S BLACK THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT

8/26/2012 10:27:12 PM

Obama is robbing the US and giving it to the 3rd world.

8/26/2012 10:27:28 PM

How did he make it worse.
The #1 thing you gotta look at is the national debt.

Tell me. How'd he make it better?

8/26/2012 10:29:34 PM

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"Go see it and make up your own mind. The news is full of bullshit. Use your brain. Does anything BHO is doing really make sense?"

I don't have to see it ... Speculation about abandonment syndrome ... Speculation about Anti-colonialism ... Speculation about x ... Speculation about y ... Speculation about z ...

Yes, a lot of what Obama does does makes sense:



A lot of what he has tried to do also makes sense:



(My apologies to Chit Chat ... Some Fuckhead put this thread in the wrong section.)

8/26/2012 10:33:12 PM

All that is lies and bullshit.

8/26/2012 10:36:08 PM

^ Back it up with any data at all and I might listen to anything you have to say ... The first source is the Department of Labor ... The others can be verified by the congressional record ...

8/26/2012 10:39:02 PM

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"i dunno, maybe not bamboozle everybody with his hope and change campaign that he'll fix everything in the near future? honestly i wouldnt expect shit, because just like (insert any politician ever), he's a fucking politician, so i'd just expect him to do whatever he could to get money/power"

Did you know in the last quarter of 2008 (when Obama was elected and before he was in office), there was about a 10% decline in GDP on an annual basis. GDP for 2008 was almost -4%. The situation between when he was elected and when he actually took office changed drastically. Nobody knew how bad things were really going to get. So stop fucking blaming him for not being a goddamn sorcerer. The recovery we have made since he became president is very impressive when taking into account what was handed to him. So stop being so racist, you stupid fuck.

8/26/2012 10:39:40 PM

(P.S. - I would re-size that first photo if I knew how to do it ... i.e. If someone would send me a sample of the code before my edit runs out.)

8/26/2012 10:44:58 PM

Every one of those "acts" and "bills" was bullshit and that is why they did not get passed.
The GAO can only work with the number they are giving by the administration. So the results are bullshit.

Race? Really? Thats all you got? You are one stupid mother fucker.
The white man guilt race card may work on you but it doesnt work on me. I'm not white dumb fuck.

8/26/2012 10:45:20 PM

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"All that is lies and bullshit."

Dear Eaton Bush,
You are a troll of chit chat proportions. You've yet to actually back up anything you've said in this thread with anything, or provide any source/data/evidence to back up any of the counterclaims you've made.

So seriously, go crawl back in your hole.

Signed,
A Republican who is ashamed of you.

8/26/2012 10:48:23 PM

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"OMG HE'S BLACK THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT"

^^ Wasn't in reference to you. Don't worry though, you're probably the dumbest one in this thread. I felt no need to point it out because, being the dumbest one in this thread, you would not understand.

[Edited on August 26, 2012 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2012 10:50:35 PM

Well, see, this is chit chat. Take this shit over to SB then.

8/26/2012 10:51:16 PM

Doesnt matter who you directed the race comment to. Its stupid and irrelevant.

8/26/2012 10:52:27 PM

Chit Chat: Where the trolls think they're smart.

You're stupid and irrelevant. I'm not doing that childish thing where I just repeat whatever you say. You are literally stupid and irrelevant.

[Edited on August 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2012 10:52:58 PM

But you are

8/26/2012 10:56:44 PM

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"So stop fucking blaming him for not being a goddamn sorcerer."

maybe he shouldn't have promised that he was a sorcerer

the only sad thing is 3.5 years later, you don't realize his hope and change rhetoric was bullshit

still pulling the race card

WHY DON'T YOU VOTE FOR ROMNEY, WHY ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST WHITES

/equally dumb as fuck

8/26/2012 10:57:36 PM

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"Every one of those "acts" and "bills" was bullshit and that is why they did not get passed. The GAO can only work with the number they are giving by the administration. So the results are bullshit."

Good God man, that is what you call data? ... The funny part is that most of the jobs bills to help small businesses and generate jobs were deficit neutral, but were filibustered because of a combination of the Norquist pledge (not to raise taxes on anyone for any reason) and a stated goal of trying not to help the economy in order to get Obama out of office:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/11510/senate-republicans-block-another-jobs-bill-face-backlash-from-american-public

P.S. - I've got news for you, the Bureau of Labor Statistics is not in Obama's pocket. He has to take the good with the bad. At least do a little more research than just fapping your gums (sic).

[Edited on August 26, 2012 at 11:05 PM. Reason : *~<]Bob]

8/26/2012 10:57:49 PM

Tell me, we are in chit chat and i post any facts with sources and then what? Minds will magically change?
More bullshit.
Minds are made up.
I post credible facts and you will say they are not from a reliable source or those are blah blah blahs talking points.
I can see obama has not improved anything.
A good leader would be able to get things passed in congress, especially one that is his party majority.
I am fortunate to have a job where my pay is good but my buying power is less than it ever was. Shit bread cost 4x what it used to. Gas prices, milk, BEER, you name it and costs more. My house is worth less than when I bought it. More of my friends and family are jobless.
Thats real world data. Fuck your charts backed up with data from a corrupt gov't.

8/26/2012 11:07:20 PM

House Republicans have passed 32 jobs bills that are currently stuck in the Democrat controlled Senate...

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

8/26/2012 11:15:32 PM

Maybe if you weren't so ignorant about politics and the economy then your house wouldn't be underwater. But it's easier to blame the black guy than to take any personal responsibility for those things.

8/26/2012 11:17:24 PM

Eaton, it does seem that you are indeed entrenched. I guess you are just not one that weighs facts to form opinions. I went back ten pages to find all of the times where you used facts to back up your points. I found barely two that qualify. I beat you on one page ... I guess you can just go back to fapping (sic) your gums again.

[Edited on August 26, 2012 at 11:22 PM. Reason : *~<]Bob]

8/26/2012 11:20:45 PM

8/26/2012 11:50:54 PM

8/26/2012 11:53:53 PM

Thank you Prep-e for at least providing some data, but frankly the list scares me. All the bills boil down to two things: Tax cuts and deregulation.

I don't think we can just tax cut and deregulate our way out of our problems. God knows Bush tried, and the distribution of wealth has done nothing but move upward.

The list deregulates everything from pesticides to energy and drilling, and I find it scary (epecially since I know what massive deregulation did for banking). There have to be some protections.

From the GOP website:
http://www.gop.gov/policy-news/11/10/27/summary-of-jobs-bills-stalled

8/27/2012 6:47:44 AM

pad b/c BoBo ruined page 10

8/27/2012 8:16:02 AM

Eaton Bush:

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" I post credible facts and you will say they are not from a reliable source or those are blah blah blahs talking points. "

Right. Like when you cite the movie, 2016.

8/27/2012 11:39:37 AM

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"Romney wants to rob from 99% of Americans to give to the 1%."

good lord. Please explain that one.

8/27/2012 12:03:36 PM

8/27/2012 12:09:11 PM

^ looks like the larger impact than the $126 tax hike on teachers would be to reduce total tax revenue, increasing the deficit.

Then again, treasury bills are sold to banks that use them as a low-risk security, so you can interpret that part as you will.

8/27/2012 12:20:15 PM

In case you looked at the graphic a few posts above and thought, "That shit only goes up till early 2012"

8/27/2012 5:58:29 PM

pryderi, that still doesnt explain the "rob 99% to give to the 1%" I dont think he understands how taxes work.

And remember that the bottom 50% dont pay any federal income tax. If we are going to start to dig ourselves out we need everyone to pay something in.

8/27/2012 6:16:39 PM

^No we don't. That's fucking stupid, ignorant, short-sighted and incredibly dangerous.

The added tax revenue by taxing the working poor will be offset 10-20x by the added costs to our social safety net as these same people stop being self-sufficient.

You have to weight the COST of taxing people versus the benefits. Taxing people on the edge of poverty just pushes more people into poverty, it will result in higher crime rates, more mortgage defaults, higher health insurance rates and a whole slew of other dependent systems.

We as a country should TAX SUCCESS, NOT EXISTENCE. That's what a fucking income tax IS. That bottom 50% already have pretty meager and shitty lives.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2012 9:10:36 PM

in before repubs read that without thinking and go OMFLIBERALHIPPIECOMMIE

8/27/2012 9:12:31 PM

Noen as the percentage of actual tax payers has gotten less what has happened to the demand for larger govt? It has increased. That is basic human nature. As the cost of a valued good or service decreases to the consumer demand will increase. Ill use your "safety net" as the prime example. What used to cover basic services has now spread to luxury items like braces, viagra, color contacts, etc. Why? bc they dont pay for it. And the cost of these programs keeps on rising.

Now to paying down the debt, what you need to WEIGH is math and history. For history look to California who bought into your fantasy of shifting the weight onto fewer and fewer payers and watch how volatile your tax revenues become, while the push is for more services (from non or partial payers). As for math, simply look at the numbers. To suggest you can "tax the rich" out of our debt is simply fantasy. This year we are running 1.2T deficit. (4th straight year with a deficit over 1T) To let the bush tax rates expire on the rich would raise 40B a year. So we get to 1.16T, almost there. lol Letting them expire on those under 250k would raise 230B a year. A bit better, but no where near what we need.

The problem is entitlements. Currently we dont collect enough money to pay for our mandatory spending, which are entitlements and servicing the debt. That is it. So EVERYTHING else, Defense, IRS, every single other dept or duty our federal govt performs in being run 100% deficit. And here comes the great news, entitlements are set to explode as the boomers get on them.(not to mention ACA throwing 20 Million more on medicaid) Also as our debt explodes so will the costs to service it, not to mention it is VERY unlikely rates will stay this low. There are real structural problems and they are with entitlements. It is simply the hole the titanic, arguing over the rest is just trivial.

Our govt could take all the WEALTH of the rich and there would not be enough money to pay for this shit, much less acting like 40B a year will save us all.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/07/news/economy/tax_cut_deal_obama/index.htm

In case you wanted to see the numbers

8/27/2012 10:39:08 PM

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"We as a country should TAX SUCCESS"

Love this one.

So we know that taxes and subsidies can affect behavior. Want people to smoke less, we raise taxes on cigs= less people smoking. We want more people to buy houses, 8k credit to buy a house=more people buying houses. Pay people to stay out of work=record unemployment. And you drop that gem. Amazing logic. Do I think the rich should pay more in taxes? yes, but not as a percentage (that should be the same). I also think the IRS should be to collect revenue not to levy some politicians idea of social justice or to influence behavior.

8/27/2012 10:45:19 PM

Tax success, hard work, and ingenuity. With that revenue, subsidize failure, murder, destruction, and waste. That's what made this country's government great, and I'm confident that Obama or Romney will carry on this proud national legacy if elected.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2012 11:11:38 PM

^sadly, I think you are correct. Time to start over imo.

8/27/2012 11:29:23 PM

Bout to straighten out some more bullshit in here:

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"Noen as the percentage of actual tax payers has gotten less what has happened to the demand for larger govt? It has increased. That is basic human nature. As the cost of a valued good or service decreases to the consumer demand will increase. Ill use your "safety net" as the prime example. What used to cover basic services has now spread to luxury items like braces, viagra, color contacts, etc. Why? bc they dont pay for it. And the cost of these programs keeps on rising."

Your argument is bullshit. It's based on several faulty assumptions. #1: 56% of those non-payers make less than $17k a year. They are hardly living the good life. #2:

But more important are the people at the TOP who pay NO INCOME TAX: There are 78,000 non-paying units in the top 95th to 99th income percentile, 24,000 in the top 1 percentile, and 3,000 in the top tenth of a percentile.

Those tiny, tiny minority are avoiding MORE than the ENTIRE bottom 50% of the US population would generate IF they paid the 10% bottom bracket. So you can stop blaming the poorest of the poor and start asking why the richest of the rich aren't paying anything either, while we (the middle class) make up the difference. Link to data

Braces are only covered by medicaid in the case of extreme medical need (birth defects and major deformities), not for cosmetic purposes. Totally agree about Viagra. Contact lenses are only covered for VERY specific purposes where eyeglasses do not correct vision (i.e. cataract surgery). I don't consider sight and having a functioning mouth to be "luxuries".

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"To let the bush tax rates expire on the rich would raise 40B a year"

Actually it's $95 billion a year nearly 8% of the total deficit, for doing nothing but letting them expire.

The problem is not just entitlements. I 100% agree with you that entitlement programs, specifically healthcare and federal pensions need to be overhauled. However our defense budget has increased 40%+ in the last decade too. It needs to be dramatically cut back as well.

Also, with all the bullshit projects of skyrocketing healthcare costs, they all neglect to take into account one VERY important factor: the baby boomer generation is dying off. By far the BIGGEST reason for the ballooning of medicare over the past decade has been the baby boomer generation. As they die off and the much smaller Generation X ages into medicare, costs and growth will be lower.

There will be fewer retirees as a percentage of population and the general health of the generation will be higher. The same will happen for generation Y. Fewer retirees with better overall health.

And even more important, we as a nation need to SAVE during surplus. During the Bush Boom years, rather than increasing tax rates and building up a reserve, we CUT RATES and continued to balloon spending.

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"Our govt could take all the WEALTH of the rich and there would not be enough money to pay for this shit, much less acting like 40B a year will save us all."

Not even close to true. But I'm not suggesting that at all. If the top .1% of earners actually paid 35% income tax, it would produce more revenue than 10% tax on the entire bottom 50%.

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"So we know that taxes and subsidies can affect behavior. Want people to smoke less, we raise taxes on cigs= less people smoking. We want more people to buy houses, 8k credit to buy a house=more people buying houses. Pay people to stay out of work=record unemployment. And you drop that gem. Amazing logic. Do I think the rich should pay more in taxes? yes, but not as a percentage (that should be the same). I also think the IRS should be to collect revenue not to levy some politicians idea of social justice or to influence behavior."

Sin taxes have had ZERO causal effect on smoking or drinking. They just increase revenues. The housing credit had no appreciable impact and was a giant waste of money. The unemployment rate jumped due to an economic collapse, not "paying people to stay out of work". You are swapping cause and effect there.

I can appreciate your thought that we should all be taxed equal percentages. Historically however, even with marginal income tax rates over 90%, the rich STILL get richer and the poor still stay just as poor. It's a 100% myth that raising taxes on the wealthy will somehow result in them no longer being wealthy.

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"Tax success, hard work, and ingenuity. With that revenue, subsidize failure, murder, destruction, and waste. That's what made this country's government great, and I'm confident that Obama or Romney will carry on this proud national legacy if elected."

Tax success, regardless of cause. With that revenue, ensure equal OPPORTUNITY for everyone to achieve equal or greater success themselves. That's the conservative ideal I wish to see.

I agree that neither party really gives a shit about that though. For the current system, it's just a matter of where you flush the money: to wasteful and inefficient social spending, or to industry and defense contractors.

8/28/2012 3:26:11 AM

8/28/2012 3:38:20 AM

^So basically that would allows the RNC to override any and all state delegates to nominate their party representative for President, with absolutely zero accountability or transparency.

Is this the "Ron Paul Rule"? His people are still fighting for their actual delegate representation, and the RNC is pissing off a LOT of long-time party members by changing the floor rules to keep RP's delegates from causing any hiccups to the coronation of Romney.

I can only hope that RP continues his organizational efforts next cycle, his people are finally starting to learn how to work the party system and made some real waves this election cycle. As they wise up to the rules and procedures, the GOP stalwarts are losing their positions of power by obscurity.

8/28/2012 3:57:49 AM

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"We as a country should TAX SUCCESS, NOT EXISTENCE. That's what a fucking income tax IS. That bottom 50% already have pretty meager and shitty lives. "

Woah woah woah. Why should I be taxed because I'm successful and some poor bastard who didn't make it in life gets a free ride?

Fuck that shit.

Fuck not taxing the poor. Fuck Tax breaks and loop holes for the rich. Fuck deductions because you have 5+ kids and live in the city (versus a family farm where the additional family members can help tend to the farm). What is extremely fair is a flat rate dollar value tax per person once they reach age. But that's extremely unrealistic, so I'll settle with a flat rate fee across the board with no deductions or loopholes.

Of course, this makes me sound insane to 99% of you people

People fled Europe to get away from the excessive taxation. Look at the U.S. now We are no better than Europe 300 years ago.


[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 4:39 AM. Reason : ....]

8/28/2012 4:33:13 AM