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2/6/2013 8:21:57 PM

did someone say 10?

2/6/2013 8:28:08 PM

MAN I love it when Minka gets on top

2/6/2013 8:54:58 PM

gun people:

what do you think about the "gun show loophole"?

2/7/2013 12:25:12 AM

they will say that most face to face transactions usually go through a background check regardless of the loophole. They will also say that anybody can be put on the terrorist list so fuck that. They will also say that the government does not do a good job of prosecuting people that fail background checks for guns.

Basically that the general population is misunderstood/misinformed

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 12:45 AM. Reason : dp]

2/7/2013 12:45:09 AM

Quote :

"gun show loophole"

The "Gun show loophole" is media jargon concerning private party sales and has little/nothing to do with gun shows themselves.

Any purchase of a firearm from a merchant (gunshow or otherwise) must legally go through a background check.

Now at gunshows, you might also have "private" party sales from one individual to another. There are no laws that require a background check, however, with pistols there is a "sorta" pre-check.

For example. I can find someone selling a long gun (shotgun/rifle) privately and purchase it from him I can without any checks, permits, etc.

Now pistols require* pistol permits that are issued by the sherriff dept. To obtain one, you must go through a background check and the sherriff must issue you the permit. 1 permit must be surrendered per pistol purchase, private or otherwise.

*An exception would be a conceal carry permit which in itself is like a pistol permit showing that the sherriff has completed a BG check. A valid CCW/CCP replaces the pistol permit (at least in NC).

I'd like there to be a public system where anyone can request to pull up the convicted criminal history of another person for free. This would make private sales safer by helping buyers know who they are selling to and obeying all applicable laws.



[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 12:58 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 12:59 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2013 12:52:50 AM

See, I TOLD YA SO/

2/7/2013 1:05:26 AM

?

2/7/2013 1:17:15 AM

saying exactly what I predicted.

2/7/2013 1:30:28 AM

Your reading comprehension is a bit off buddy.

Quote :

" They will also say that the government does not do a good job of prosecuting people that fail background checks for guns."

Hell, Vice Pres. Biden admits that administration doesn't have time to prosecute people who lie on background checks.

The "misconception" here is that people don't even understand the definition of the word loophole:

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"A loophole is an ambiguity in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent, implied or explicitly stated, of the system. "

Quite simply, there's no law requiring the background check of a private party sale or requiring the private party seller to conduct a background check on the buyer.

The media is not absolute. Everything they report isn't gospel. The common mistake here is they advertise there is a GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE, when in fact, there is none. Media Scare Tactic 101.

Do some research into the laws instead of taking the biased media's word for a change. Challenge it. You might be surprised what you discover.

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 1:53 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2013 1:45:43 AM

Stop trying to argue and just give me a hug already.

2/7/2013 1:49:09 AM

Sorry. I don't dock, but thank you for the interest.

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 1:54 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2013 1:53:49 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/universal-background-checks-increasingly-popular-article-1.1255416

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" “The vast majority of Americans, including a majority of gun owners, support requiring criminal background checks for anyone trying to buy a gun,” Obama said. Other gun control proposals poll well, but universal background checks has long been “incredibly popular,” winning support from 80-90% of respondents in a host of recent national polls, noted Margie Omero, a pollster who studies the issue."

I have to say, the people railing for gun control really really do have a point with this one. So I'm getting

- Automatic rifles: ???
- high capacity mags: no check
- semi-automatic rifles: no check
- universal background checks: check

/????/'?'??? ? ??

2/7/2013 7:47:24 AM

^Automatic rifles are already heavily regulated per the 1934 NFA Act.

2/7/2013 9:01:14 AM

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"gun show loophole"

there is no such thing. move on.

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2013 9:23:29 AM

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"there is no such thing. move on."

Should private sellers have an exemption from doing background checks?

2/7/2013 10:28:58 AM

Point: mrfrog

2/7/2013 10:38:07 AM

I have no problem with UBC as long as it doesn't result in de facto registration. Currently, a BC results in registration.

2/7/2013 1:26:27 PM

I am also worried about that, but from what you're saying it sounds like the discussion is at an impasse.

it's also not clear to me what role the federal government could play in background checks. At the same time, the lack of standardization defeats the point because of cross-border gun flows, but national systems could functionally create a federal gun ownership database.

From what I understand of the issue, neither side is going to be particularly helpful in sorting that out.

2/7/2013 1:32:45 PM

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"Should private sellers have an exemption from doing background checks?"

No, however I feel that a public database where you can privately look up a person's criminal history would be a huge plus.

2/7/2013 1:36:00 PM

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"Should private sellers have an exemption from doing background checks?"

no; as long as it is a simple BG/MH check with no information collected/stored.

2/7/2013 3:46:44 PM

Well this doesn't seem accurate at all:

2/8/2013 3:08:10 PM

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"Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!! Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”"

From Christopher Dorner’s manifesto

2/8/2013 6:03:37 PM

Hmm...now we have "assault magazines" (http://mikethompson.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=319295). As if the anti-gunner use of "assault" wasn't blatantly obvious. I'm expecting to hear "assault bullets" soon.

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"From Christopher Dorner’s manifesto"

What's the point you are trying to make?

2/8/2013 10:10:50 PM

^just thought it was interesting in an ironic way

2/9/2013 4:24:30 AM

I haven't been following the story very closely. Last I heard he was on the run, vowed to hunt down LAPD members, and the LAPD mistakenly shot up a couple Asian peoples' truck because they thought it was him.

2/9/2013 9:31:40 AM

2/14/2013 1:20:10 PM

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"https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/531729_4961674572788_1951352661_n.jpg"

Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

what percent of crimes use guns? What percent of violent crimes used guns? What where the average rates of crimes before and after the gun ban in the other countries?

Facts don't really favor the NRA-types.Banning guns would definitely reduce gun deaths, but that's not what we as a country value.

2/14/2013 1:51:47 PM

2/14/2013 7:08:24 PM

clearly what we need is better Knife Control laws.

4/9/2013 9:59:46 PM

So, while that knife attack was terrible..... No one died, right? That's a plus.

[Edited on April 9, 2013 at 10:01 PM. Reason : And the crazy knife guy was tackled by students]

4/9/2013 10:01:12 PM

does the lack of death make it any less tragic?

4/9/2013 10:06:48 PM

Of course not. That's silly. Stop being silly.

[Edited on April 9, 2013 at 10:10 PM. Reason : What a crazy ass question.]

4/9/2013 10:09:14 PM

today i learned that being wounded is as bad as dying

because of this revelation, lets close hospitals

4/9/2013 10:18:57 PM

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" I feel that a public database where you can privately look up a person's criminal history would be a huge plus"

+1

even a pass/fail would be better than nothing

4/9/2013 10:22:42 PM

Don't even need a "public database". The NICS system should be revised such that anyone can call or go on the web, provide/enter information, then confirm a matching entry, and then receive a pass/fail and no other information. Kinda like it works now... it's just available to all. And these checks should apply only to sales. Not temporary transfers, not family-member transfers, etc. Sales only. Of course, it will still be illegal to transfer (temporarily or permanently) to anyone who is not eligible to purchase and possess a firearm. That puts the onus on the "seller" - do you know your buddy or family member that well? If not, run a background check. But there is no need to make me a felon because I leave my house for a week and my girlfriend stays there.

4/10/2013 12:23:19 PM

let's kill some people

that'd be cool

4/10/2013 3:13:18 PM

As long as "some people" means "BubbleBobble".

4/10/2013 3:15:31 PM

hahahahaha

you are so right

4/10/2013 3:22:48 PM

I agree with everything wdprice said as long as his weapons are secure when he leaves them at home with his girlfriend

4/10/2013 3:43:29 PM

my way of thinking is the only correct way

4/10/2013 3:54:40 PM

6/24/2015 2:08:10 PM

6/24/2015 3:24:44 PM

I used to sit with that mentality, but I just don't think that's the case.

The main problem I see is that it is WAY too easy to get a firearm in this country. Couple that with this irrational fear that murder and rape are around every corner and you've got a trigger happy culture that constantly debates about when its appropriate to kill someone.

Jim Jeffries routine on gun control definitely had me thinking about things in a different way.
https://youtu.be/lL8JEEt2RxI

I'm not in favor or removing the 2nd amendment or anything, but I think if you're going to insist on owning a gun, you should have to jump through a few hoops first.

Afterall, to drive a car you need to:
Get it registered and and inspected regularly
Obtain a license to drive, and retest regularly to ensure we understand the laws
Have insurance to cover damage, injury and loss of life
Face a range of charges for failing to follow the law

I think owning something with the capability to do more damage than a drunk driver behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler should require a bit more of an investment.

6/24/2015 3:45:11 PM

^ most people would agree with that, but when it comes to politicians, the NRA and Fox News have done a good job convincing people that Obama is coming to take their guns.

6/24/2015 3:46:31 PM

They can take our guns, as long as the police get to keep theirs. theyre properly trained in when its acceptable to murder innocent people.

6/24/2015 4:02:19 PM

I think I'm in the right place.

6/24/2015 4:02:57 PM

^^ Kill the darkies, give burger king to the whites

6/24/2015 4:06:36 PM

overseer, overseer, overseer, overseer overseer officer officer officer
yeah, take officer from overseer, you need a little clarity? check the similarity

6/24/2015 4:08:45 PM

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"theyre properly trained in when its acceptable to murder innocent people"

They suffer from the same mentality though. A big part of their training is to gain the understanding that everyone is out to kill them and that every day their lives are at risk.
Add to that the fact that a big recruiting pool for police forces are vets and you've got a group of people who are trained to kill and have experienced days/weeks/years of their lives in which they very likely did have real reason to fear for their life every day.

You then pile them all in the blue frat and you've got systemic issues.

You can't really place blame on individual cops for the fact that they feel so trigger happy. They're fed fear and then told the only way to control it is through intimidation and force.

[Edited on June 24, 2015 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

6/24/2015 4:17:35 PM