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"This is my daughter. She just turned 9. Here is why I would never allow her to play middle or high school sports if we lived in Ohio… https://t.co/K7CDgFVhr0"

6/6/2022 10:34:04 AM

just in case people don’t click the link and read the thread:

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" First, the physician has to examine the girl’s external and internal reproductive anatomy. I have to emphasize that this will impact girls as young as 5th or 6th grade, ~10-11 years old. A year or two older than my daughter. Step one to proving your correct sex is female: A doctor will need to spread open your labia and examine the size of your clitoris. A clitoris that is “too large” could be a sign that you are intersex and not female enough for sports. Step two to proving your correct sex is female: A doctor will then insert one or two gloved fingers inside your vagina, while pressing against your abdomen with their other hand, so they can feel your uterus and ovaries."

6/6/2022 11:58:38 AM

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"NEW from @eklib: A 16-year trans boy tried to kill himself after investigations of families ordered. He was admitted to psych facility. When staff learned he was undergoing hormone therapy, they turned his family in for child abuse https://t.co/n4INauoBnS #txlege #tx2022"

6/8/2022 8:58:14 PM

^^Curious why Step 1 isn't a DNA test?

6/9/2022 1:44:09 AM

Because the point of this legislation is to control people through fear. Violating their body is more effective than a blood test.

6/9/2022 10:07:51 AM

this is quite good and well worth the watch:

10/8/2022 1:37:45 PM

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

Don't care about the publishing source, if you believe the whistleblower, then this is some pretty messed up stuff they're doing.

2/10/2023 11:14:00 AM

a thread from someone who knows far more on the subject than I do:

https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1623768100549058566?s=46&t=8pVsvN6sTlrYDkOjacHT2g

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" Don't care about the publishing source"

you should always care about the publishing source

[Edited on February 10, 2023 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2023 11:36:54 AM

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"Assuming that this clinic serves half the state, there are over 40,000 trans youths under its purview."

I'd really like to know what they consider "trans youths".

2/10/2023 12:02:21 PM

https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/missouri-anti-trans-whistleblower

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"Missouri Anti-trans "Whistleblower" Story Is A Manufactured Controversy - Point By Point Jamie Reed's story is being pushed by the worst of the worst anti-trans voices on the internet. I dig point-by-point through her claims and show how they undermine her conclusions."

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"This has all of the markings of a manufactured controversy similar to Project Veritas’ Planned Parenthood Fetal Tissue, and similar groups are lining up behind this story."

you fell for that one, too

that piece is free to read, btw

2/10/2023 4:16:07 PM

Tgl3 would def be the top in a relationship with both of you.

Not that there is anything wrong with that

2/12/2023 12:58:43 AM

I’d let him pitch on special occasions.

2/12/2023 11:37:40 AM

turns out that “whistleblower” piece was full of bullshit

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/parents-push-back-on-allegations-against-st-louis-transgender-center-i-m-baffled/article_a94bc4d2-e68b-535f-b0c7-9fefb9e8e9f4.html

[Edited on March 2, 2023 at 1:51 PM. Reason : shocker ]

3/2/2023 1:51:05 PM

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"Don't care about the publishing source"

3/2/2023 3:08:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0LZZFos-g
very interesting watch

4/2/2023 1:13:10 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/raising-trans-kid-missouri-become-dystopian-nightmare-families-rcna75768

more reporting on that “whistleblower” from a few months ago

certainty seems like they were full of shit

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1651942285620256772?s=46

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"Two months ago a self-proclaimed whistleblower alleged a pattern of systemic recklessness and deception at a Missouri gender clinic. Subsequently, the same outlet that published her, published a follow-up interview with a mom who was unhappy with her child's care."

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"In response, the child at issue took to twitter to contradict her mother's claims. Meanwhile, there have been multiple stories by multiple outlets that have reported out other family's experience of the clinic and no one other than this one mother corroborates the allegations."

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"In fact there have now been *dozens* and *dozens* of interviews conducted that in no way bear out the original allegations. If what the "whistleblower" was saying were true, I feel like we'd have a lot more than a single mom backing it up at this point?"

[Edited on April 28, 2023 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

4/28/2023 11:07:53 AM

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bills-targeting-drag-shows-trans-rights-and-care-for-transgender-children

fascist motherfuckers

5/18/2023 8:31:38 PM

I'm assuming the drag show restrictions are from public property? I didn't see the details for that particular part of the bill.

5/30/2023 1:13:33 PM

there should be no drag show restrictions from the state whatsoever

5/30/2023 1:24:08 PM

From my perspective, seems like most people didn’t give a shit about drag shows until they started showing up for children’s story time. When I go to my child’s daycare and read to the class, I don’t do anything to enforce the idea that I’m a male that’s happy in my skin. Just seems like an unnecessary layer put on top of story time.

5/30/2023 2:30:19 PM

god forbid your kid learns to be accepting of others who aren’t like them

it’s no different than someone dressing up as a fictional character and reading them a story

5/30/2023 2:36:18 PM

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"seems like most people didn’t give a shit about drag shows until they started showing up for children’s story time the right-wing media and politicians figured-out it was a good way to get their base frothing at the mouth"

[Edited on May 30, 2023 at 2:51 PM. Reason : ]

5/30/2023 2:50:46 PM

gotta gin up that outrage somehow

it’s just so much easier to just not get up in arms over letting people live how they want to live

I can’t imagine living my life freaking out over such things

5/30/2023 2:53:00 PM

Hey I’m not arguing for or against here.

But your argument:

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" it’s no different than someone dressing up as a fictional character and reading them a story"

It’s not the same unless they’re reading books about characters who want to dress in drag lol. Dressing up as Peter Pan and reading Peter Pan is a lot different than dressing up in drag and reading The Berenstein Bears.

5/30/2023 3:12:18 PM

it’s the same

would you freak out about a clown coming in and reading something not related to being a clown?

5/30/2023 3:16:27 PM

still waiting on that answer

6/1/2023 4:44:34 PM

I would freak out about a clown dressing up as a clown in general.

But if it's exposure you want, why drag? Why not something a little more realistic? How about a transgender person dressed professionally for whatever career in which they work? Have them come read at story time like that? A transgender person working as a paramedic, or one in construction, ballet, etc. Why does it have to be drag, which is often an over-the-top exaggeration of the female gender.

What 3 year old wouldn't want to dress up in bright clothing, flashy makeup, and glitter all over the place? And then when they get home from one of these story hours and do want to dress up like that, parents are like "Welp, guess that's that. Time for gender dysphoria therapy"

6/1/2023 10:10:09 PM

What a wild jump at the end there

6/1/2023 10:17:20 PM

my god

I can’t even with that last paragraph. like what the fuck, man?

would you seriously freak out about a clown coming into your kids classroom?

[Edited on June 1, 2023 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2023 10:17:42 PM

That last sentence was obviously sarcasm. Guess I should have included a /sarcasm there.

Clowns? No, not really. Clowns have also long been established as children's entertainment. There's precedence there. Do clowns relate to whatever story they're telling? No. Have clowns been hired to make children laugh for like what, the last 150 years or more? Yea. Plus, McDonalds.

6/2/2023 8:10:35 AM

again, that’s no different than someone in drag reading to kids

6/2/2023 10:30:22 AM

or... a girl wearing boy's shoes

6/2/2023 10:44:01 AM

^Not sure where that came from. I don't think anybody here has an issue with boys dressing in girls' shoes.

My daughter will randomly paint my son's nails and he loves it. He's always wanting to wear her stuff, etc, and we don't discourage that at all.

6/2/2023 11:03:27 AM

since we’re on the topic of drag:

[link] https://mollyknight.substack.com/p/drag-culture-has-always-been-part?r=7dijz&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post[/link]

6/2/2023 1:54:29 PM

I feel like politics aside, 16 should be the bare minimum for a kid to make the decision to change genders

how can anyone think anything otherwise?

you can't just let kids do whatever they want

6/4/2023 6:00:17 PM

That runs counter to the folks who think it's ok to give puberty blockers to children. Puberty blockers should be given in early puberty around 10 or 11, according to the Mayo Clinic.

Fucking 10 or 11. We're talking about humans who have been able to successfully wipe their ass for about 5 or 6 years. And it's ok to give them drugs that could potentially permanently affect their ability to have children down the road?

6/4/2023 10:41:40 PM

do you know more than the medical professionals who have spent their career researching the field/recommending medical guidelines based on their expertise?

6/4/2023 11:04:31 PM

I know that they take an oath to do no harm.

Doing something to a 10 year old that could potentially fuck them up down the road, in my book, is harm.

But hey, these parents can shop around until they find an activist medical professional. It's their right as parents.

6/5/2023 9:11:16 AM

[Edited on June 5, 2023 at 9:49 AM. Reason : Nevermind ]

6/5/2023 9:49:00 AM

Do you disagree that doing something to a 10 year old for which they cannot possibly understand the repercussions, is harm?

6/5/2023 10:06:19 AM

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"But if it's exposure you want, why drag? Why not something a little more realistic? How about a transgender person dressed professionally for whatever career in which they work? Have them come read at story time like that? A transgender person working as a paramedic, or one in construction, ballet, etc. Why does it have to be drag, which is often an over-the-top exaggeration of the female gender."

Yeah, it's kinda like normalizing gay people by having dudes read books in the stereotypical 'gay' cali boy accent

regardless, this is mainly an issue being drummed up unnecessarily. these aren't things you can or should control on a federal/state level

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"do you know more than the medical professionals who have spent their career researching the field/recommending medical guidelines based on their expertise?"

I've heard a lot of people say the medical field hasn't properly vetted stuff for women, who are 50% of the population, due to it being male focused.

so I'd say it is pretty reasonable to think that studies on transgenderism aren't at their most mature stage yet, and that it is still being figured out given how even sports organizations keep on changing rules on certain %s or whatever
Not to mention how wrong professionals have been in the past on many things, especially against minorities

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I think society kind of works like a swing (most of the time), we're too behind, and then in progress we may jump a bit too forward, but eventually we find the right place in the middle that is right, and settle down

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6/5/2023 10:43:29 AM

[Edited on June 5, 2023 at 10:48 AM. Reason : -]

6/5/2023 10:47:14 AM

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"I know that they take an oath to do no harm."

just saw this posted somewhere else so I guess this must be the new go-to in the world of Right Wing Chuds

6/5/2023 11:46:00 AM

Dr's do irreversible cosmetic genital surgery on tons of male babies every year, those babies certainly have no say in that procedure.

[Edited on June 5, 2023 at 1:30 PM. Reason : E]

6/5/2023 1:29:47 PM

Sure they do. And hasn't there been a movement against that as well?

And if you want to argue orders of magnitude, having a foreskin removed is pretty low on the scale vs irreversible infertility.

6/5/2023 1:42:10 PM

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"activist medical professional"

you’re doing that right wing thing of assuming every professional you disagree with being an activist of some sort

sure would be cool if somehow a big dose of empathy were to somehow get implanted into you

guess it would have to be by an activist medical professional, though

6/5/2023 3:11:52 PM

I'm sorry but I can't empathize with a 10 year old who has their whole life ahead of them saying they want to be the opposite of whatever gender they currently are, and parents acting on it. At that age, things change like the wind. Sure, I know that there has to be a record of gender dysphoric traits before they consider these types of therapies, but again, you're doing something to your child that could be irreversible.

Why not give it a few more years?

In my humble opinion, puberty blockers are tantamount to child abuse. No amount of calcium supplements are going to make up for lost bone density during this period - and that's just one potential problem. You're robbing Peter(biology) to pay Paul (mental health).

6/5/2023 4:20:35 PM

Robbing the Peter to create Paulina.

6/6/2023 6:47:52 AM

^^I think my best answer to that is that I don't really understand. And since I don't understand I choose to trust the medical professionals involved and hope they have the best interests at heart and truly look at the full picture including psychology (which it seems they do, or are supposed to anyway). If there were just a few rogue Dr's I might have a harder time, but it seems like treatments are endorse by medical societies, and rare.

[Edited on June 6, 2023 at 9:58 AM. Reason : E]

6/6/2023 9:57:25 AM

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/federal-court-halts-enforcement-of-florida-transgender-health-ban-against-challengers

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"Federal Court Halts Enforcement of Florida Transgender Health Ban Against Challengers"

6/6/2023 11:19:11 AM