http://www.yelp.com/biz/moore-square-raleigh?nb=1

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"Moore Square is a great spot if there is an event happening. If not, it is overrun by loud, unruly, and aggressive panhandlers. I wouldn't recommend is as a spot to take your family. I know that this isn't politically correct but, the city really needs to get this place under control."

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"When there isn't an event going, though, it's a bit seedy. "

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"Not-so-fond memories in Moore Square: *The congregating homeless contingent who plague my festival booth for candy and Yelp schwag every event that's hosted here."

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"Be advised that a soup kitchen/homeless assistance facility is also in the area, so it is quite common to have homeless persons loitering about."

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" a bit sketchy at times due to a good number of homeless congregating about but I like the area."

12/29/2013 5:26:02 PM

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g49463-d277306-Reviews-Moore_Square-Raleigh_North_Carolina.html

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"Moore Square is a great location when attending an event. Lots of parking and near city market and a number of restaurants and bars. When there isn't an event, it is filled with homeless people and you want to avoid it. "

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"...I think City Market could be a lot more successful if only Moore Square wasn't in such a sad state. I get that the homeless are there because of the bus station and soup kitchens...and I certainly don't know where else they can go. What I do know is that I absolutely will not walk through there alone...It's an eye sore, with huge blad spots in the grass. it's great when they have free concerts out there, though. "

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"this sad area is a place where homeless sleep on the park benches. there is nothing remotely attractive about this place. i hate how there is so much money dumped into revamping Raleigh's downtown but this area and the square in front of the Tir Na Nog are squalid and barren. They could be beautiful but no. Any city in Europe would know what to do with such a place but here? No charming fountain, no street vendors, no view, no manicured flowers, no nothing. depressing"

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"I don't see how this is listed as an attraction. It's a park for the homeless and is across from the soup kitchen at the Salavation Army. Most of downtown Raleigh is a moribound abandoned area that longs for the "good old days" when it was the center of commerce. The city endlessly pours money into downtown trying to revitalize it and get people to move back from the suburbs. It would be my opinion to stay away from Moore Park. It is an unsafe area in my opinion."

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"I try to avoid Moore square. It is where the homeless hang out. Nowever I do enjoy going there when I have something to give away, and I know the homeless will take whatever I have. I do like being able to help them out. but to just go hang out at the park, no. Occationally the city will have events there. But then it just a bunch of people getting drunk in public. I will pass."

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"Not worth a trip unless they have an event. Yes it is sketchy and a lot of homeless hang out near here."

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"There are a lot rough folks in this area. The only time I have felt comfortable at Moore Square is during events there when they have loads of Police presence."

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"A find Moore square to be a little sketchy where they don't have an event there. There are places that do food handouts on one side of the square, so the square is usually full of people who are facing desperate times. I wish them well, but it does not make for an inviting space."

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"This is a feeding ground for the homeless by the churches and people who do not live in the area. One of the favorites is chicken and the homeless just toss their bones everywhere causing a choking hazard for dogs."

12/29/2013 5:26:23 PM

A lot of them sound scared

12/29/2013 5:38:51 PM

because its so enjoyable to be around loud, drunk panhandlers who leave their trash everywhere!

and

CHICKEN

BONE

CHOKING HAZARDS



[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 5:44 PM. Reason : how often do you use the park?]

12/29/2013 5:39:50 PM

rarely. i often feel uncomfortable there.

12/29/2013 5:49:36 PM

I don't even like parking near Moore Square. It fucking sucks to have a bunch of drunks asking you for money and feeling like there's a good chance your car is going to be broken into.

12/29/2013 5:50:06 PM

So y'all want 'em spread out so they won't be so ballsy about talking to you?

12/29/2013 6:06:47 PM

Never said that, just said that because of them I don't really like being near Moore Square.

12/29/2013 6:08:49 PM

Seems like you are too cowardly to tell a homeless man not to bother you.

These people generally are near starvation and in poor health. If you are afraid of a frail dying person, you're a coward.

By treating them as rubbish to be swept out of sight, you're reinforcing the mechanisms in our society that create them.

The proper response isn't "eww I don't want to be conscious of your existence" it's "eww, how can we change social systems so that instead of rotting in the streets, you're getting help".

Posting TripAdvisor comments about how homeless people are gross seems oblivious. "Oh no, these homeless people made my trip scary" seems tone deaf against the fact these people with mental health and other issue have nowhere to go except a public park where food and a semblance of shelter are easily available. They have nothing.

There shouldn't be homeless in mores square, but the exact wrong solution is to criminalize being homeless and criminalize helping the homeless. In the presence of our piss poor support systems, feeding the homeless likely keeps them more docile and makes the area safer. Take this a step farther, give them predictable food, help, and access to assistance, and they'll not need to seek out the safety of a public square.

12/29/2013 6:25:50 PM

tell that to the people who got stabbed

12/29/2013 6:36:48 PM

Ha you joking?

Stabbiness isn't a quality of homeless people, it's a quality of criminals.

12/29/2013 6:41:51 PM

and drunks

all of which hang out in Moore Square

12/29/2013 6:43:28 PM

The homeless were in mores square even before the food handouts.

Figure out why the homeless are there (good sleeping spots, shelter, warmth, good panhandling, etc) and incentivize a relocation based on this analysis. They are just people making choices rational to their contexts.

Don't perform a trail-of-tears-esque relocation of make a token gesture (such as "well we moved the food handout go this place!!") and think this will solve the problem.

12/29/2013 6:46:15 PM

^^ your approach to thinking about this problem is very GOPish.

12/29/2013 6:47:46 PM

pretending that homeless overflowing moore square isn't a problem is not a wise way of thinking.

12/29/2013 6:58:26 PM

Good thing no one is saying that.

I highly recommend reading the blog of the guys that are the reason for this thread: http://www.lovewinsministries.org/category/blog/

It might be scary for you to humanize your enemy, but you'll continue to come up with the wrong answers when you don't understand the problem.

12/29/2013 7:05:08 PM

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"Seems like you are too cowardly to tell a homeless man not to bother you."

12/29/2013 7:19:13 PM

^^ no serious advocate for the homeless will tell you that feeding the homeless in a public park is a good solution

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"The homeless were in mores square even before the food handouts. "

because the Salvation Army

[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 7:48 PM. Reason : which has moved]

12/29/2013 7:37:05 PM

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"your approach to thinking about this problem is very GOPish."

wanting a "housing first" solution is GOPish?

12/29/2013 7:39:27 PM

Give them lethal doses of heroin. They'll thin out soon enough.

12/29/2013 8:02:52 PM

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"and drunks all of which hang out in Moore Square"

dtownral math: drunkenness = stabbiness

PSA: avoid all bars and clubs and sporting events! you might get a knife up ur ass!

12/30/2013 10:46:31 AM

even at a bar you'll get thrown out if you are so drunk that you are sleeping everywhere and accosting people.

are you really saying that our attitudes towards alcohol in a park should be more relaxed than in a bar? when people get drunk they get aggressive. if you get drunk and aggressive at a bar you get thrown out or arrested; if you get drunk and aggressive in a park people with misdirected intentions will give you a biscuit.

seriously, show me real advocates for the homeless who think this is good policy

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2013 11:00:55 AM

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"Don't perform a trail-of-tears-esque relocation of make a token gesture (such as "well we moved the food handout go this place!!") and think this will solve the problem."

I agree. Moore Square has been their ancestral hunting ground for generations. Don't throw the homeless out of their homes.

12/30/2013 11:23:38 AM

no...i'm saying that our attitudes towards alcohol in a park should be as relaxed.

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" if you get drunk and aggressive in a park people with misdirected intentions will give you a biscuit. "

That sounds pretty GOPish. We don't generally reward unfavorable behavior unless it's broadcasted on reality TV.

12/30/2013 11:45:29 AM

I want the government to provide housing for the homeless first and ask questions later, is that GOPish? (hint: I'm a socialist)

Almost immediately churches and soup kitchens nearby offered their facilities to this group, those were good solutions. Raleigh opening a facility is a good solution. Feeding people in the public park is not a good solution.

12/30/2013 12:43:55 PM

dtownral wishes he was a planner

12/30/2013 12:45:26 PM

(how do you know that I'm not on the committee now?)

12/30/2013 1:29:59 PM

^I hope to God you aren't.

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ]

12/30/2013 2:01:44 PM

why are you against city-provided services and public housing? why do you hate the needy?

12/30/2013 2:02:35 PM

^i'm not. it's just that the things you're saying are idiotic. just because a person is drunk doesn't make them violent. just because a person is homeless, doesn't mean they're going to rob you or stab you. if you're really trying to help these people, start off by adjusting your own misconceptions so you understand just who it is you're trying to help.

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ]

12/30/2013 2:21:22 PM

I'M NOT SAYING THAT HOMELESS PEOPLE SHOULD GET KICKED OUT OF THE PARK YOU FUCKING IDIOT

jesus christ, its not hard to understand

12/30/2013 2:26:02 PM

^cold day in hell that I agree with dtownral, but the large number of homeless in the park does present a measurable danger - both physical and economical - to the area. I don't believe that he is spreading "homeless hate"... in fact i think his point is the exact opposite - that if their needs are taken care of, they will be better off and Moore Square will be better off. (here is where viewpoints might start to differ, but I agree with him that simply giving them handouts/food and allowing them to continue as-is does nothing but breed dependence for the unfortunate.)

12/30/2013 2:26:44 PM

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:33 PM. Reason : also funny that afripino never said the shit dtowntroll screamed in caps]

12/30/2013 2:29:30 PM

not angry, JUST TYPING IN CAPS SO HE CAN COMPREHEND IT.

if i had crayons i would use crayons for him

12/30/2013 2:31:47 PM

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"JUST TYPING IN CAPS SO HE CAN COMPREHEND IT"

That's a good point. I forgot about those studies that show using all capital letters enhances reading comprehension.

12/30/2013 2:35:10 PM

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"that simply giving them handouts/food and allowing them to continue as-is does nothing but breed dependence for the unfortunate."

truth

12/30/2013 2:36:39 PM

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" if you're really trying to help these people, start off by adjusting your own misconceptions so you understand just who it is you're trying to help."

hmmm, maybe that why i think that:

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"I want the government to provide housing for the homeless first and ask questions later, is that GOPish? (hint: I'm a socialist) Almost immediately churches and soup kitchens nearby offered their facilities to this group, those were good solutions. Raleigh opening a facility is a good solution. Feeding people in the public park is not a good solution."

and

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"^^ no serious advocate for the homeless will tell you that feeding the homeless in a public park is a good solution"

and

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"why are you against city-provided services and public housing? why do you hate the needy?"

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM. Reason : /q]

12/30/2013 2:37:17 PM

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"hmmm, maybe that why i think that:"

You're blatantly trying to evade his point.


He said:

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"just because a person is drunk doesn't make them violent. just because a person is homeless, doesn't mean they're going to rob you or stab you."

right before he said:

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"if you're really trying to help these people, start off by adjusting your own misconceptions"

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM. Reason : I used to think you were a decent troll but you're slippin' today dawg]

12/30/2013 2:51:58 PM

show me a non-annoying drunk whom you want to have a picnic beside



[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM. Reason : what did i evade?]

12/30/2013 2:57:01 PM

don't b mad, bro.

you're totally pulling the old political tapdance around the stabby drunks comment. *evasion activated*

i'm typing this in all lowercase so you can understand this less.

12/30/2013 3:10:06 PM

because i posted about 2 stabbings, and some people in the park being drunk, you assumed that all drunks stab people?

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM. Reason : show me a non-annoying drunk whom you want to have a picnic beside]

12/30/2013 3:11:36 PM

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"(how do you know that I'm not on the committee now?)"

because the way you talk about the subject precludes an education in it

12/30/2013 3:46:16 PM

President Romney appointed me

12/30/2013 3:59:11 PM

case in point

you work tech support dont you

12/30/2013 4:05:46 PM

No, I'm homeless

12/30/2013 4:07:13 PM

I walked through (and even briefly loitered) in Moore Square Saturday night


Barely made it out alive

12/30/2013 4:10:58 PM

i slept there and got breakfast

12/30/2013 4:12:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY

someone should embed this clip of dtownral complaining at a city council meeting

12/30/2013 6:08:09 PM

Definitely me

proof: I am the table

12/30/2013 6:34:45 PM

http://www.wral.com/woman-living-in-stolen-car-draws-focus-on-plight-of-moore-square-homeless/13477524/

3/14/2014 9:22:42 AM