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"So how long before the Obama administration acknowledges ISIS as a legitimate government over the land they have occupied?"

probably right after they recognize Bulletland.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2015 2:12:56 PM

Worst thing you will read for a long long time

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6584027/Sex-monsters-of-IS-depraved-as-Nazis.html

8/11/2015 9:27:11 PM

Yeah, any westerner who leaves to join these fuckers has given up their right to live in the civilized world IMO. Only way you're coming back home is under a new identity or in teeny tiny charred pieces.

8/12/2015 11:25:02 AM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/12/soon-very-soon-you-will-see-pro-islamic-state-hacking-group-issues-chilling-warning-to-america

8/13/2015 7:11:43 AM

Crazy

http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-sexually-abused/story?id=33085923

(About the American girl Kayla Mueller who was held hostage by ISIS)

8/16/2015 8:11:29 AM

What the fucking fuck

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/disbelief-in-mississippi-at-how-far-isis-message-can-travel.html

That makes no God damn sense at all. What do young Western people such as them see in ISIS? There is no way that they don't know what ISIS is doing to normal people there, right? Then the only logical conclusion is that not only do they approve of ISIS's atrocities, but also want to actively contribute by taking part in the atrocities. But I still don't get why? Do they think what ISIS is doing is the righteous thing to do? How can any human mind think that?

They threw away a good life and promising careers and will pretty much go to jail for at least a decade or two.

Still makes no sense at all to me

8/16/2015 9:38:57 AM

Religion....

and the allure of being a part of something big and "making a difference"

[Edited on August 17, 2015 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ]

8/17/2015 11:47:56 AM

Or, they just wanna go kill some people with no consequences.

8/17/2015 11:51:05 AM

reading about them, they don't seem like they just "want to kill people".... i think they have motivations other than just wanting to be psycho killers... i think religion has a lot to do with it.

8/17/2015 1:30:17 PM

Why do people join the marines?

8/21/2015 8:18:11 AM

to help pay for education?

8/21/2015 11:10:04 AM

the military is our nation's jobs program

8/21/2015 12:49:29 PM

Good time to remind everyone how many US marines or other military personnel have died fighting ISIS: 0. Thanks Obama, for real.

[Edited on August 21, 2015 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

8/21/2015 1:13:23 PM

Exactly. Obummer doesn't want to hurt his ISIS brothers!!!

8/21/2015 2:54:58 PM

Give him time. He's still got another 16 months to entangle us in yet another foreign adventure.

8/21/2015 6:45:23 PM

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"Why do people join the marines?"

Because I wanted to kill people like these motherless fucks, or African warlords, or...whatever. There's no shortage of shitty people who need a good killing.

8/23/2015 12:11:39 AM

I almost enlisted straight out of high school because I didn't have any sense of direction or purpose, and despite being 5th in my graduating class and having a good enough SAT score to get into just about any school I wanted I wasn't sure college was a great idea. Turns out it wasn't, I pissed away about 3 years of it before I pulled my head out of my ass. I probably would have been better served by doing something useful with that time.

I suspect theDuke866 is a bit of an outlier, but maybe not that much of one. Some people probably do want to shoot cool guns and blow shit up, some people probably want to get away from a boring life without any options, and some might just want to serve their country out of genuine patriotism.

8/23/2015 1:10:50 AM

And all im saying is that isis appeals to people who think they are protecting their god, homeland, or people who have been attacked by the west in the same gruesome manner.

They also promise a lot more stuff to their fighters. Houses, wives, and eternal life.

[Edited on August 23, 2015 at 11:31 AM. Reason : If you can understand why soneone would join usaf but cant understand isis then you really need to ]

8/23/2015 11:30:37 AM

How ISIS started, explained by US officials, a must read

Officials: Islamic State arose from US support for al-Qaeda in Iraq

A former Pentagon intelligence chief, Iraqi government sources, and a retired career US diplomat reveal US complicity in the rise of ISIS

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/officials-islamic-state-arose-from-us-support-for-al-qaeda-in-iraq-a37c9a60be4

8/23/2015 6:04:52 PM

yep. a lot of that isn't anything we didn't already know, but it's just even more damning. assuming all that's true, it just says that we fucked up even worse than we all thought.

i remember back years ago, and some people were like " we should support and arm these islamist rebels fighting Assad."

...and people were like "noooo, we've played this game before. We'll fuck it up, you know we will. It's almost impossible not to fuck it up."

well, here we are...we buttfucked everything all to hell and back even worse than we already had over the previous decade.

8/23/2015 11:40:32 PM

We hot the result we wanted. We wanted to fuck it up. Youre crazy if you think were just that stupid.

8/24/2015 12:20:44 AM

The whole iraq war makes less and less sense as time goes on. I don't know how Bush et al lives with themselves.

And one of the GOP candidates (can't remember who--- maybe trump?) said they would put Bolton in charge of the state dept.

8/24/2015 1:07:08 AM

The Iraq War makes just as much sense today as it did on the day it started or at any other time -- zero sense.

It was an offensive, unjust, neo-colonial war waged for hegemonic, expansionist, selfish reasons which destroyed a whole country, pulverized hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children, inflamed and brought to the surface ethnic and religions tensions, and succeeded in gathering the world's terrorists there, who now with their affiliates, are wreaking havoc in many countries across the region. In the process, Iraq has been set back by decades in terms of material, technological, and social progress.

May the Lord's wrath be upon all the visionaries, architects, planners, and executors of the war, from the top to the bottom.

8/24/2015 6:02:22 AM

What do people think Saddam's people did after de-baathification? Became goat herders? No, they went back to whta they were doing before Saddam: organized crime. They started small with black market oil, intimidating local businesses, carving out little zones of control within larger communities, and just bided their time until the Arab Spring opened up a power vacuum in northern Syria. Then they pounced and became ISIS. Every time we kill one of their senior leaders, it's an ex-Saddam military officer. Hell, the fucker's name is al-Baghdadi, what else do you need to know.

tldr; the Syrian insurgent thing is a red herring, these people are all Iraqis, through and through.

[Edited on August 24, 2015 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

8/24/2015 12:49:58 PM

Theres no such thing as an iraqi. Thats the firdt place we went wrong.

8/24/2015 2:50:50 PM

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"Youre crazy if you think were just that stupid."

I really do think that to a large extent, we were just that stupid.

Have you read about the shit that Cheney and Rumsfeld said in cabinet meetings and planning stages?

8/24/2015 6:27:01 PM

^No (or maybe no, I mean, I've heard a lot of quotes here and there from them, but I'm not sure I've heard what you're referring to specifically), but I'd definitely love to see a sampling.

8/24/2015 6:40:00 PM

I love to assign sinister motives to things that our government does, but a lot of the times they're just incompetent.

It's impressive that we've managed to but a bunch of people in charge who are capable of being both stupid and evil.

8/24/2015 8:16:28 PM

They have "advisors" pushing all the buttons. The people behind them are evil but not stupid at all. You dont rack up trillions being stupid.

8/24/2015 10:47:32 PM

Yes, I know. That's kind of what I'm saying. We keep electing fucking morons, but the people who really run things (the bureaucrats and the advisors) are pretty clearly awful human beings.

8/24/2015 11:00:06 PM

Iraq + Cheney + Halliburton has always reeked to me for some reason.

8/25/2015 12:05:25 AM

^ Cheney is a slime all around. I'm really impressed he managed to get himself elected honestly, he almost just snuck himself in.

8/25/2015 1:47:10 AM

Cheney and Rumsfeld and war criminals. Fuckers should be brought to justice.

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Latest ISIS atrocity... insane.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216937/Chained-upside-forced-watch-petrol-licked-way-engulfing-flames-ISIS-video-shows-four-Iraqi-Shia-prisoners-burnt-alive.html

9/1/2015 7:02:04 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221090/PIERS-MORGAN-Don-t-shut-eyes-picture-did-make-right.html

GG Piers Morgan.

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"PIERS MORGAN: Don't shut your eyes to this picture because WE did this. Now we have to make it right Amazing isn’t it? We can all stomach endless grainy video images of boatloads of people drowning in the sea. Yes, we’ll huff and puff a bit about how awful it is, but then we quickly get back to our own comparatively comfortable, non-drowning lives. Yet one pin-sharp image of a three-year-old boy washed up on the shoreline and we stop and shudder in collective horror. A horror that lingers, that cuts deep into our consciousness, that is far harder to casually etch from the mind. I can’t stop thinking about Aylan Kurdi and I’m damn sure you can’t either if you’ve seen the photo. Not the one of him being carried away by the Turkish police officer, because that conveys an air of humanity and kindness. No, the photo I can’t stop thinking about it is the one of Aylan lying face down on the edge of the water. His small dead body being lapped by the cold surf. His soaking red T-shirt pulled half way up. His pants crunched. His tiny shoes baring their sodden soles to the sky. Further down the beach lay his brother Galip, aged just five. Their mother is also believed to have perished. In total, 12 Syrian refugees lost their lives in this tragedy. They’d been packed onto a tiny boat that set off from Bodrum in Turkey for Kos in Greece, a hazardous 5km journey that represented their best chance of reaching Europe. Aylan’s family fled Kobane in Syria last year to escape the Islamic State, a group that delights in beheading, torturing, shooting and setting fire to anyone that displeases them. And a group that wouldn’t now have such an iron grip in Syria were it not for the appalling, shockingly misguided decision by the United States and its chief ally Britain to invade Iraq in 2003 – the war that started the region’s slide into barbarity. The barbarity Aylan and his family were trying to flee. They, and millions like them in Syria, aren’t ‘migrants’, as so many ill-informed people on social media seem to think, and as some in mainstream media disingenuously encourage us to think. They’re not trying to pursue a better economic life for themselves, something which is perfectly acceptable but which should be liable to strict immigration checks and balances. No, they’re trying to save their lives. They’re fleeing a country so ravaged by five years of war that it now resembles an inferno of hell. Sixty per cent of all the refugees met by the International Rescue Committee on the Greek Islands are from Syria. They are refugees in the purest sense of that word. People so desperate that they will risk death to seek sanctuary. Imagine being Aylan’s parents as they paid their last savings over to some cut-throat mercenary in a final effort to make their kids safe again. I have four children and if I had been in that situation, I’d have done exactly the same. Hoping and praying that if I made it to Greece, then somebody with a heart would help us. Where is our heart now? What have we become if we can’t deal with this tidal wave of despair? Let’s be clear: we have a moral, ethical and legal duty to help them. Syria is not one country’s nor one continent’s problem. It’s everyone’s problem. The repercussions of that conflict have had a direct impact on the security and finances of everywhere else in the world. So what are we all doing about it? Britain has taken in just a few hundred Syrian refugees so far, and Prime Minister David Cameron seems shamefully reluctant to increase that commitment. This from a nation that went to war in Iraq on the spurious trumped up pretext of Saddam Hussein having WMDs. A totally unnecessary war that stirred up the hornet’s nest out of which ISIS and its barbaric ilk have emerged and thrived. WE are thus largely to blame for this fiasco, and WE must take responsibility for the innocent victims of it. America is just as culpable. Since the Syrian conflict started, the United States has taken precisely 1,234 refugees. Think about that for a moment. In fact, think about it for several long moments. Because it’s an absolute bloody disgrace. These people are fleeing the very mayhem which America and Britain helped create. Yet neither the UK nor U.S. governments seem to give a damn about them. The US State Department announced last week a new target of taking in up to 8,000 Syrian refugees in 2016. To which my response is: PATHETIC. Compare and contrast to Germany, the most powerful country in Europe. It has pledged to take in 800,000. That’s 100 times as many as the world’s most powerful country. And that’s called proper leadership in the face of one of the biggest humanitarian crises of our times. Cameron and Obama love to act the big brave boys on the global stage when it comes to standing up to terrorism. They’ll order fighter jets and drones to rain down bombs on people’s heads. Yet when it comes to stopping little children dying as they try and escape both the same terrorism and the military efforts to combat it, the same two men have shown themselves to be little more than timid, callous cowards. Today, there is as much fevered debate about whether news organisations should have published the image of Aylan as there is as to what caused him to be dead in the first place. We saw the same argument last week when a young female TV journalist and her cameraman were shot dead live on air. ‘We can’t publish the pictures because they are too horrendous!’ came the cry. Yet that’s exactly why we should publish them. As with that diabolical ISIS video of them setting on fire and killing a Jordanian pilot trapped in a cage, sometimes we need to SEE the full horror to fully understand it and be shocked enough to act on it. The civil rights movement changed irrevocably in the ‘50s when a young black boy named Emmet Till was brutally mutilated and murdered by the Ku Klux Klan and his mother insisted on a public funeral with an open casket, allowing the world to see exactly what these evil bastards had done to her son. I believe that if Americans had been allowed to see images from inside Sandy Hook school after the massacre of 20 young children in 2012, then new draconian gun laws would have been implemented within months. (One family member told me each child was shot three to 11 times and each bullet wound was the size of a golf ball. Think the NRA could spin their way out of those pictures?) Dramatic pictures have always told a thousand words, sometimes a million. And this one of Aylan Kurdi is no different. Look at it, digest it, recoil from it, get angered by it, shed a tear over it, and demand action from your politicians across the globe We owe it to Aylan to stop this cruel madness, and to stop it fast. Because if we don’t, many more young kids will be washed up on the shores. And their fresh young blood will be on all our hands. Or should I say, even more of it."

[Edited on September 3, 2015 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2015 11:35:49 PM

That picture is sad as fuck, but I don't understand why u posted it ITT.

9/4/2015 12:49:13 AM

Well, I mean, this giant refugee crisis has a significant amount to do with our Middle East policy, especially the '03 Iraq invasion.

9/4/2015 12:52:09 AM

So we're giving Assad a pass here?

9/4/2015 12:53:10 AM

Brought tears to my eyes

17 Heartbreaking Cartoons From Artists All Over The World Mourning The Drowned Syrian Boy

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/humanity-washed-ashore

9/4/2015 4:40:29 AM

I don't get it, what do people expect the western world to do about dead Syrian children? Bomb Assad out of Damascus, creating a power vacuum even larger than the one that currently exists in Syria? That's what created this mess in the first place. A ground invasion by Western armies? When has that ever resulted in less dead children? The blame for this should rest squarely on the powers of that region, the countries who share borders/history/culture/blood with Syria and Iraq, yet are doing less than nothing about this crisis. The Middle East needs to handle their own damn business for once.

[Edited on September 4, 2015 at 12:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2015 12:38:31 PM

^ looks like we're selling another billion $ in weapons to Saudi, which enables them to keep doing nothing else in the region-- they can't even accept some refugees.

9/4/2015 1:19:44 PM

Typical arrogance of the western world to fuck up an entire region then blame the same region for not fixing the mess we made. Then we wonder why extremism exists in the same breath.

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" the countries who share borders/history/culture/blood with Syria and Iraq, yet are doing less than nothing about this crisis."

You are dead wrong. Lebanon Jordan and Turkey are already poor countries and now are virtually filled to capacity with refugees. The US and Europe need stop being selfish animals and become humans again by doing a better job of getting these refugees asylum.

9/4/2015 5:45:24 PM

http://en.qantara.de/content/jordan-and-the-influx-of-refugees-the-true-samaritans

9/4/2015 8:53:06 PM

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"You are dead wrong. Lebanon Jordan and Turkey are already poor countries and now are virtually filled to capacity with refugees. The US and Europe need stop being selfish animals and become humans again by doing a better job of getting these refugees asylum. "

There's a lot of chatter about the travesty of this whole situation, across the political spectrum. I've already wrote my representatives about it, and I think, hopefully, some meaningful change comes out of our foreign policy from this.

It's one thing to read about killed and displaced civilians in Iraq, it's another to see millions of peoples fleeing their homeland to travel all over europe.

9/5/2015 1:14:55 AM

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"So we're giving Assad a pass here?"

Of course not, but if we weren't dealing with ISIS as a result of massively destabilizing Iraq, then leaving when the Iraqis proved to be useless as shit at handling their own country, we would have a lot more options when it came to Assad, Assad would possibly be less cornered and brutal to people in Syria to begin with, and no Syrians would be fleeing ISIS--just Assad.

9/5/2015 11:07:15 AM

Looks like Russia is officially acknowledging military support for Assad in Syria.

Could get interesting if we send troops in to have American troops fighting Russians.

9/5/2015 3:41:26 PM

are they acknowledging military support, or are they committing troops?

9/6/2015 5:45:14 PM

Article i read implied advisors are on the ground already, and anecdotal reports say Russia troops have been fighting with assads side (there's supposedly a video).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladmir-putin-admits-supporting-president-assad-in-syrian-civil-war-10488165.html

Shitshow++

[Edited on September 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM. Reason : ]

9/6/2015 6:10:44 PM

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"You are dead wrong. Lebanon Jordan and Turkey are already poor countries and now are virtually filled to capacity with refugees. The US and Europe need stop being selfish animals and become humans again by doing a better job of getting these refugees asylum. "

Not our problem...

9/8/2015 11:35:07 AM

In addition to our invasion of Iraq leading to the eventual rise of ISIS, the conditions in Syria which brought about the civil war stemmed from an unprecedented decade long drought (no crops, no work). This may very well be the first climate change catastrophe.

9/8/2015 6:08:50 PM

Have not ready it yet

EXCLUSIVE: 50 SPIES SAY ISIS INTELLIGENCE WAS COOKED

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/exclusive-50-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html

9/10/2015 12:14:02 AM