"white guilt" is not a real thing. If you feel guilty, that's your own doing... maybe your conscience is trying to tell you something?

8/5/2015 12:34:02 PM

JCE, maybe you should attack huffington post or buzzfeed again to get your point across and win the argument.

8/5/2015 12:40:32 PM

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"JCE, maybe you should attack huffington post or buzzfeed again to get your point across and win the argument."

I think I'd rather just "pull a Bullet" and ignore everything stated, claiming your post was "blindingly ignorant" rather than addressing it.

That's a great trump card to have in an argument

8/5/2015 12:49:52 PM

man, i've just decided it's not worth addressing your comments.

it's obvious that you think that the main reason that blacks are pulled over more, and searched more, and on the receiving end of police brutality more, is because they're more likely to be breaking the law, and individual racism and systematic racism of police forces has little to with it and is just "click-bait for the liberal media", and it's obvious nothing, including statistics, will change your mind about that.

[Edited on August 5, 2015 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2015 1:00:59 PM

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"it's obvious that you think that the main reason that blacks are pulled over more, and searched more, and on the receiving end of police brutality more, is because they're more likely to be breaking the law, and individual racism and systematic racism"

Well....

Statistically.....

This would be the truth when it comes to non-petty crimes. You are free to insert your heart-felt excuse on how the system and/or racism pushes many more African-Americans per capita into violent and gang related crime than those of other races.

I don't think cops should pull someone simply for being black but if you are an underprivileged African-American and present oneself in such way (hood culture) this assumption wouldn't be far off.

As JCE pointed out much of this is socio-economic related and not as many of the whiny liberals point out simply cops don't like black people.



[Edited on August 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM. Reason : a]

8/5/2015 1:11:04 PM

^^

You're right, why address my comments when you can address that straw man's comments. I heard him say systematic racism doesn't exist.

8/5/2015 1:13:33 PM

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05274

Here's something i didn't know... the drug arrest rate was equal for black and white kids in 1980, but soared after that because of "something", even though we know usage rates stayed roughly the same over the years for the different groups.

Also worth pointing out that at it's worse, the criminality rates for black kids for drugs was 1.5%, yet somehow police are justified in assuming the other 98.5% of black kids are notably worse than a random white kid?

8/5/2015 3:44:32 PM

As a boss once said don't complain about a problem without offering a solution.

[Edited on August 5, 2015 at 4:02 PM. Reason : a]

8/5/2015 3:51:16 PM

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"As a boss wants says don't complain about a problem without offering a solution."

You must be ESL...

8/5/2015 3:55:11 PM

sorry synapse I fixed it. I don't have time to spend hours dreaming up the perfect heart-filled rebuttal like you. Sometimes I type faster than my brain can grammar check and get back to doing important IRL tasks.

8/5/2015 4:03:21 PM

^ Consider that what takes you hours to think up, takes the rest of us a few seconds. But i can only blame you so much. I guess it's just what happens when your parents try to use a coat hanger instead of springing for a real abortion.

8/5/2015 4:33:43 PM

^prog privilege

the ability of a progressive to verbally attack others with different opinions and feel no remorse

8/6/2015 7:14:31 AM

"privilege is invisible to those who have it" on display ITT.

8/6/2015 9:35:15 AM

fuck yeah i'm privileged. I fully acknowledge it and have empathy for those who grew up in abject poverty and deal with institutional racism/classism every day.

I have no empathy for those with willful ignorance though. y'all can die in a fire, and i probably won't be bothered to piss on you.

8/6/2015 9:54:07 AM

Define "willful ignorance" in the context of this discussion.

8/6/2015 10:37:33 AM

continual denial when evidence is presented. there's a difference between having an open mind and having already made yours up.

8/6/2015 10:56:28 AM

Denial of what?

8/6/2015 11:00:37 AM

It's the title of the fucking thread bruh.

8/6/2015 11:15:27 AM

Where, ITT, is there denial of that?

8/6/2015 11:20:24 AM

you're just proving my point.

8/6/2015 11:33:49 AM

I'm proving that you have no point, other than attacking strawmen.

8/6/2015 11:42:11 AM

so, do you believe white privilege exists?

8/6/2015 11:43:34 AM

^ he does, it's just the minority's duty to worker harder than a white person for equal or lesser pay, and not complain about it.

8/6/2015 11:52:03 AM

I guess that wraps things up

8/6/2015 11:55:21 AM

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"I'm proving that you have no point, other than attacking strawmen."

8/6/2015 12:08:28 PM

#AllLivesMatter

8/6/2015 12:23:23 PM

Saying black lives matter isnt saying they matter more than anyone else. Since many people value the lives of many minorities less, you sometimes have to address that they matter.

I'm sorry you are not the unique little white snowflake in every situation.

8/6/2015 12:35:58 PM

#NotAllLivesMatter

Because, really, do the lives of people like Dylann Roof really matter all that much?

8/6/2015 12:48:29 PM

i guess it might to his parents and grandparents, maybe

8/6/2015 1:22:39 PM

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"#AllLivesMatter"

i like how thinking everyone should be treated equally is now racist

8/6/2015 1:52:20 PM

Is it not obvious that inherent in the statement is the too? BlackLivesMatterToo

8/6/2015 1:55:30 PM

^^what? i mean, seriously, tell me the truth: do you really think that #blacklivesmatter means that black lives matter more than white lives? do you think that's what the hashtag/movement is all about? do you really think that? Are you serious?


[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2015 2:00:28 PM

I dont think #AllLivesMatter is racist. I do think that when it is uttered as a response to, or a replacement for #BlackLivesMatter, it downplays the meaning. It 1. implies that all lives are treated the same in the first place, which is not the case; and 2. conflates the issues of systematic racism with general violence.

8/6/2015 2:01:40 PM

my only point was if someone suggests that we should be color blind they are often called racist

#alllivesmatter was an example of that . ending affirmative action would be another one

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"1. implies that all lives are treated the same in the first place,"

naw, its saying they SHOULD be


[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 2:06 PM. Reason : g]

8/6/2015 2:03:50 PM

That is not what it implies when used as a response or replacement for #BlackLivesMatter.

8/6/2015 2:11:48 PM

^^ no that's an example of looking the other way to avoid acknowledging the systemic and institutional racism that exists.

Again #alllivesmatter was never about broadening the social narrative about police brutality from black americans to all americans. It was simply code for refusing to acknowledge that racism is still a problem.

As stated in another thread, it's akin to going to a breast cancer fundraiser and screaming that they should be raising money to fight all diseases-- implying that supporting breast cancer research means you don't care about HIV, for example.

[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2015 2:17:08 PM

whenever issues of race/racism come up, there's an underlying notion of "we want some of this action, too" coming from conservative white people

it's odd

instead of recognizing that it's real and is still a problem, there's always a, "but what about us???", instead of figuring out how to make things better

8/6/2015 2:28:27 PM

exhibiting victim mentality while complaining about victim mentality

8/6/2015 2:48:58 PM

What exactly does "#alllivesmatter" mean? What reforms or changes or policy intitiatives do people who hastag "#alllivesmatter" want?

I assume they support the usage of body cams, since most people do. Are they also against race-based stop and frisk policies? Do they support eliminating the setencing disparity between black and white defendants? Do they support policies that ensure black kids aren't punished more harshly than white kids for the same offenses in schools, to keep them out of the school-prison pipeline? Do they support making sure police don't troll black neighborhoods for minor drug posessions when these drugs are used just as much in white neighborhods? There's universal pre-k, expanding WIC, fair lending in housing, community/representative policing, and a host of other issues.

8/6/2015 2:51:15 PM

people, it wasn't that long ago that these "Blacks" weren't allowed to vote or go to college with you people, much less buy a house.

8/6/2015 3:00:05 PM

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"Are they also against race-based stop and frisk policies?"

I wasn't aware police had implemented race-based stop and frisk policies... can you please elaborate as to what this policy is?

8/6/2015 3:34:08 PM

because "unwritten rules" don't exist...

8/6/2015 3:36:24 PM

^^ new york city had (has?) one, one of their police administrators defended picking on black skinned people.


[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2015 3:38:10 PM

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"because "unwritten rules" don't exist..."

Are we now allowed to reference "unwritten rules" as evidence of racism in the police?

New York's "stop and frisk" did result in a lot of innocent poor people being searched, but personally, if I was a young kid in a bad neighborhood, I would want cops searching and removing drugs/weapons from the area, I would be fine with being searched a few times if it meant a safer neighborhood.

8/6/2015 4:09:20 PM

Are we now allowed to reference "If that were me..." as evidence that these policies are ok?

Ok...armchair quarterback.

8/6/2015 4:13:14 PM

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"Are we now allowed to reference "unwritten rules" as evidence of racism in the police?"

are you just trying to be annoying now?

8/6/2015 4:16:49 PM

I'm arguing that a crime prevention method makes places safer.

You are arguing a crime prevention method is racist.

I think different levels of evidence are needed between the 2.

8/6/2015 4:20:23 PM

Safer for whom? Certainly not for the people being harassed.

Also, do you believe white privilege exists?

[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2015 4:21:43 PM

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"but personally, if I was a young kid in a bad neighborhood, I would want cops searching and removing drugs/weapons from the area, I would be fine with being searched a few times if it meant a safer neighborhood."

I'm gonna go out and a limb here and suggest that you (and everyone else on this board, for that matter) has lived in a neighborhood with plenty of drugs around. and I'm pretty confident in guessing that regardless of that being the case, you weren't being profiled because of all the drugs that were around.

just a hunch

8/6/2015 4:22:24 PM

^^^^^^ lol, somehow i doubt that, but if you were following the issue at all, these were people in manhattan.

If it were slave times, you'd be the guy saying "but these slaves don't need freedom, they have food and shelter right here! They should just need to stop complaining!"

If it were revolutionary war times you'd be the guy saying "these taxes aren't that bad, look at all the King provides us. You people are fighting over nothing!"

Or if it were the suffrage era, you'd be the woman saying "we don't really need to vote do we? With all this house work and child rearing, we don't have time to follow the issues anyway!".

[Edited on August 6, 2015 at 4:23 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2015 4:23:31 PM