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pilgrimshoes
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well, hes sitting on my couch now apparently,

he just said that the restrictions on this site are really lax.

that explains why it seems to be hit every day or two, and never gets very large. this was the largest one ive seen on this network (b2b) in a few months.

6/11/2006 6:12:17 PM

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goddamnit

i hate dropping hands when my hand gets made, and it makes a slightly better random hand

6/11/2006 11:24:55 PM

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



that is all.

6/12/2006 9:22:31 AM

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i got a guy who runs a game who is trying to get together a 2/5 plo8 game on a weekly basis.

any interest?

6/12/2006 5:43:50 PM

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so im playing on this tiny site,

and they have a feature i really like.


after you fold, this little button shows up on the bottom right of the table, "my folded hand"

and it flashes up your folded cards in case you forgot.

aha

6/12/2006 7:37:36 PM

BoobsR_gr8
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coming back from AC tomorrow

got lots of stories

6/12/2006 7:41:14 PM

HaLo
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bodog does that too

6/12/2006 8:04:33 PM

pilgrimshoes
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but bodog's software could be one of the worst on the net.

6/12/2006 8:07:37 PM

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hey i was on pocketfives... kinda :-p

Quote :
"October 23, 2005
Bodog 100k Guaranteed $100+9
732 entrants - $100,000 paid out to 63 spots

phi77 - $25,000
yoren - $14,300
esetak - $9,200
lfx - $6,900
adaptations - $5,500
spice_man - $4,500
Mangina - $3,500
mendler23 - $2,500
AK_SUITED - $1,600"

6/13/2006 5:12:31 AM

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an interesting concept from a poker blog i frequent... probably one of the top 3 o8 players on the net.

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"08:36 pm

[Link]
Flip the Coin
A related point from that game show goes to how risk averse people are. You can actually calculate it out to a dollar figure. To wit, I offered my friend Troy $1 if he would flip a coin for $1000. He refused. I said, ok, how much do I have to pay you before you'll accept? The answer to that question basically calculates out your variance curve. At tiny dollar amounts (to you) everyone is risk neutral. At massive dollar amounts (to you) everyone is risk averse. Some action junkies are actually risk-seeking. For example, I might actually pay Mendacious $1 to flip that coin just for the satisfaction of busting his ass. But plot it out for you personally to find your own risk curve for given $$ ranges. What you find is most people are fairly risk averse. But successful poker players need to overcome that emotion.

Its hard tho because studies have shown that most people experience negative events significantly stronger than equally powerful positive events – ie. You found $1000 on the street today, you’re very happy. You lose $1000 from your wallet, you are very unhappy. But your unhappiness is experienced at roughly 2.5x the magnitude of the happiness (accordingly to Talib’s book).

So the trick is either play low enough stakes where the $$ don’t bother you – except that most can beat the game for a higher winrate. OR, figure out a way to have the losses not bother you. I’m still trying to figure the second part out, lol.

So a question to the reader: What is the minimum you would accept from me to flip that $1,000 coin? Does your answer change if its $10,000? $100? "

6/13/2006 8:12:31 AM

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The only hand I am going to post is the hand at the borgata that put me on tilt from about 10 whatever pm till even now

i dont go on tilt but damn

ok I am at the borg playin 5/10 NL after having just bought in after the lovely buffet dinner

I sit down at thie table after the what felt like an hour wait to see the old drunk guy who I had taken for at least 2k just by himself the previous night. I figured that was a good sign. Also sitting at the table was this really short asian girl with blonde highlights that I have seen there b4 that usually has a monster stack by the end of the night.

I sit and wait around and watch the table while I fold for the first hour or so (omg karim plays different at casinos than he does at the local 1/2 games) and I watch the old guy piss away about 1500 to the asian chick who right after loses about half her stack on this horrible beat from this moron who then leaves the table right after he takes her money calling on the turn with 2 outs. She played him like a fiddle and he got lucky as shit. But that is beside the point.

So I finally pick up a hand utg. I have KhKd and I make what had been considered the opening table raise of $60. Stack amounts dont really matter this hand and you'll see why in a few. the old guy directly to my left, who is absolutely horrible, makes it $200. I had seen him reraise with hands like KQsuited, J10suited etc before. So I say fuck it and go over the top all in. He instacalls and I am like fuck!

He turns over KcKs. I am relieved until he insists that we run it out and not chop it. I flip out. the dealer flops him 4 to the club flush. I dont remember the exact cards because i was super pissed, turn red card, river club. He then starts pumping his fist and says "I knew it was coming".

I lose it and flip the fuck out. I pretty much say everything possible to berate him and his fat hag of a wife that had joined him after his big double up. The asian chick tried to calm me down and warn me that the room manager was coming b/c the dealer had called him. It was no use. I was asked to leave.


In retrospect, I probably should have slept the night b4



[Edited on June 13, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2006 3:00:30 PM

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I came back up, so i cant complain. But damn

6/13/2006 3:02:39 PM

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^^is it proper to chop that?

6/13/2006 3:11:03 PM

BoobsR_gr8
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yes

it's like an unwritten rule

6/13/2006 3:16:33 PM

pilgrimshoes
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the player has the choice, but its usual to chop it.

thats impressive though, ive never seen anyone get the boot from borgata, that was sober.

6/13/2006 3:26:40 PM

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wow, one of my pet peeves is to sit down at a table and win the first hand.

its an omen of a bad session.

i wonder what this is an omen for.

in the bb with Qs9s

lone raiser at a 6 handed limit table.

flop is Q72r, i check call
turn is a 7, putting a flush draw on the board, i check/raise, he calls
river is a 9, i bet, he riases.

hes got 99.

w000t!

6/13/2006 3:30:44 PM

BoobsR_gr8
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wow that sucks


i think what added to my anger was that the old guy was decked out in stars gear

6/13/2006 3:35:10 PM

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ahhaah

gotta love the stars tards.

i swear, if i see a guy decked out in

Martins Poker
Best Poker
TopSet Poker

or any other b2b network site, i may end up in jail.

6/13/2006 3:46:31 PM

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these european sites can be hilarious sometimes.


"Connection is good++"
"You are at place 1 in wait line"

6/13/2006 3:59:51 PM

BoobsR_gr8
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aha silly euros

6/13/2006 5:22:41 PM

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Yeah, not too long ago I all but vowed never to play on that shitass euro network ever again.. but then in my last two sessions I won back all but E100 of my previous 3 weeks worth of ass raping and will end up +E500 for the whole ordeal once my bonus hits tommorrow. I even have E30 worth of tournament credits from my player points I got for the bonus. Can't argue with that, monopoly money still pays the rent.



On a side note, I got some good death threats tonight at pokerroom. I didn't even suck out on the hand in question though, so needling him afterwards wasn't as much fun.

6/14/2006 12:27:53 AM

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yo justin, you ever do poker4ever?

and i thought pokershare was hard to get a game going....





(but the software could be the best on the net)

6/14/2006 12:52:47 AM

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nope

6/14/2006 2:47:18 AM

pilgrimshoes
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they got this thing where you can change the photorealistic avatar of the dealer...

i swear to god the blonde has eyes that scream "im gonna destroy your pelvis"

i spend too much time on shatty sites.

6/14/2006 2:50:19 AM

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Quote :
"and will end up +E500 for the whole ordeal once my bonus hits tommorrow"


Referral link?

6/14/2006 10:35:10 AM

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lets get one last TWW tourney going. who else is down?

6/14/2006 12:24:43 PM

David0603
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I can do it tomorrow.

6/14/2006 12:53:39 PM

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so over the past few days ive been reading this story of this guy on full tilt who hit the most ridiclous heater of all times.

somehow ran $400 into 70k, and then started playing the highest games on there against everyone.

i think he busted last night, from what ive seen.

nuts.

6/14/2006 1:59:15 PM

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"The only hand I am going to post is the hand at the borgata that put me on tilt from about 10 whatever pm till even now

i dont go on tilt but damn

ok I am at the borg playin 5/10 NL after having just bought in after the lovely buffet dinner

I sit down at thie table after the what felt like an hour wait to see the old drunk guy who I had taken for at least 2k just by himself the previous night. I figured that was a good sign. Also sitting at the table was this really short asian girl with blonde highlights that I have seen there b4 that usually has a monster stack by the end of the night.

I sit and wait around and watch the table while I fold for the first hour or so (omg karim plays different at casinos than he does at the local 1/2 games) and I watch the old guy piss away about 1500 to the asian chick who right after loses about half her stack on this horrible beat from this moron who then leaves the table right after he takes her money calling on the turn with 2 outs. She played him like a fiddle and he got lucky as shit. But that is beside the point.

So I finally pick up a hand utg. I have KhKd and I make what had been considered the opening table raise of $60. Stack amounts dont really matter this hand and you'll see why in a few. the old guy directly to my left, who is absolutely horrible, makes it $200. I had seen him reraise with hands like KQsuited, J10suited etc before. So I say fuck it and go over the top all in. He instacalls and I am like fuck!

He turns over KcKs. I am relieved until he insists that we run it out and not chop it. I flip out. the dealer flops him 4 to the club flush. I dont remember the exact cards because i was super pissed, turn red card, river club. He then starts pumping his fist and says "I knew it was coming".

I lose it and flip the fuck out. I pretty much say everything possible to berate him and his fat hag of a wife that had joined him after his big double up. The asian chick tried to calm me down and warn me that the room manager was coming b/c the dealer had called him. It was no use. I was asked to leave.


In retrospect, I probably should have slept the night b4"


Hahahhahahah. What a little bitch.

6/14/2006 2:07:41 PM

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^^ isnt that what Dustin Dirksen did? I havn't seen him in the bigger games lately...

6/14/2006 2:22:48 PM

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im running so hot right now its ridiculous.

to the tune of -8.72 big bets/100 hands over the last 2,000 hands.

yeeehawwww

6/14/2006 3:11:20 PM

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just like this.

(remember, im on project rebuild, where i redeposited $500 and have been bonus chasing since, having quadrupled it up with a few days playing and a decent run at the cryptos.

during this last little bit at b2b and this other network, it sucks... this type of stuff has just been nonstop.)



*** Handhistory for game 5548371 ***
$2/$4 Hold'em - 14.06.2006 - 21:49
Jeonju

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: cloud00 ( $152.50 ) - in game
Seat 2: ACEmagnet ( $129 ) - in game
Seat 3: Gooch ( $173.80 ) - in game
Seat 4: jackman ( $112.90 ) - in game
Seat 5: bbanton ( $150.52 ) - in game
Seat 6: nutscard ( $110.30 ) - in game
Seat 7: VITALvvp ( $139.90 ) - in game
Seat 8: bao ( $142.60 ) - in game
Seat 9: Rhonda63 ( $191.40 ) - in game
Seat 10: Clyde1967 ( $168 ) - in game

ACEmagnet posts SB $1.
Gooch posts BB $2.
**** dealing down cards ****
Dealt to Gooch [ 8s, 8c ]
jackman calls $2.
bbanton calls $2.
nutscard folds.
VITALvvp folds.
bao calls $2.
Rhonda63 folds.
Clyde1967 raises $4.
cloud00 folds.
ACEmagnet calls $3.
Gooch calls $2.
jackman calls $2.
bbanton calls $2.
bao calls $2.
**** dealing flop **** [ 8d, ad, 3c ]
ACEmagnet checks.
Gooch checks.
jackman checks.
bbanton checks.
bao checks.
Clyde1967 bets $2.
ACEmagnet calls $2.
Gooch raises $4.
jackman folds.
bbanton calls $4.
bao calls $4.
Clyde1967 calls $2.
ACEmagnet calls $2.
**** dealing turn **** [ as ]
ACEmagnet checks.
Gooch bets $4.
bbanton calls $4.
bao calls $4.
Clyde1967 raises $8.
ACEmagnet folds.
Gooch raises $8.
bbanton folds.
bao calls $8.
Clyde1967 raises $8.
Gooch calls $4.
bao calls $4.
**** dealing river **** [ kh ]
Gooch checks.
bao folds.
Clyde1967 bets $4.
Gooch: i have just been rivered.
Gooch calls $4.
Clyde1967 shows a full house, aces full of kings [ kc, ah ].
Gooch shows a full house, eights full of aces [ 8s, 8c ].
Clyde1967 wins $102 from main pot with a full house, aces full of kings [ ah, ad, as, kc, kh ].


granted, its only like 85/15,

but they add up.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 6:00 PM. Reason : er ]

6/14/2006 5:58:26 PM

BoobsR_gr8
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^^^^ me or the old guy

6/14/2006 6:27:25 PM

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one time i won with a 3 high.

6/14/2006 6:41:10 PM

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bullshit, at best you split unless this wasn't holdem



[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 7:02 PM. Reason : v well yeah]

6/14/2006 6:47:43 PM

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you can bluff someone out with 3 high and win

6/14/2006 6:49:09 PM

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jesus christ

unreal


fuck

6/14/2006 7:25:42 PM

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I recently switched to Full Tilt hoping to take advantage of their bonus.

I knew it would take a long time to clear the 600, but jesus i've been playing for 4 hours and am just now clearing 20 of it.

I just folded KK for the first time pre-flop, guy showed AA. 1/2 he Raised to 6 utg, i came over for 25 as dealer, and he went in for 71 with about another 100 in his stack with me covering him. Pretty proud of myself right now although he made it a no brainer. I play so much smarter when I'm winning.

6/14/2006 9:13:13 PM

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Site to e-mail support to keep poker online legal.

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/mailapp/

6/15/2006 12:28:56 PM

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So are these hands just bad luck or am I doing something wrong? When I raise more, the only hands that call are AA, KK and AK. When I raise a good ammount, people catch crap and win. This is my first real attempt to move up to 50NL tables from 25NL. So am I just not raiseing enough?

Hand #32622775-615 at Crystal (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 15/Jun/06 22:01:31

Mpac24 is at seat 0 with $34.05.
RVoegele is at seat 3 with $34.05.
LimpNAintEZ is at seat 4 with $29.25.
woody1244 is at seat 5 with $24.50 (sitting out).
ESEEL is at seat 6 with $12.50.
elusus83 is at seat 7 with $57.30.
rick2580 is at seat 8 with $21.75.
ajaxaua is at seat 9 with $37.80.
The button is at seat 9.

Mpac24 posts the small blind of $.25.
RVoegele posts the big blind of $.50.

Mpac24: -- --
RVoegele: Qs Qd
LimpNAintEZ: -- --
ESEEL: -- --
elusus83: -- --
rick2580: -- --
ajaxaua: -- --

Pre-flop:

LimpNAintEZ folds. ESEEL folds. elusus83 folds.
rick2580 folds. ajaxaua calls. Mpac24 folds.
RVoegele raises to $1.75. ajaxaua calls.

Flop (board: Js 2c 5s):

RVoegele bets $2.50. ajaxaua calls.

Turn (board: Js 2c 5s 5d):

RVoegele bets $4. ajaxaua raises to $13. RVoegele
calls.

River (board: Js 2c 5s 5d Jd):

RVoegele checks. ajaxaua checks.



Showdown:

RVoegele shows Qs Qd.
RVoegele has Qs Qd Js 5s Jd: two pair, queens and jacks.
ajaxaua shows 5c Ad.
ajaxaua has 5c Js 5s 5d Jd: full house, fives full of jacks.


Hand #32622775-615 Summary:

$1.70 is raked from a pot of $34.75.
ajaxaua wins $33.05 with full house, fives full of jacks.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Thought he had a jack so I checked him on the end. Should I have raised bigger after the flop? Looks like I could have gotten him off that hand.


Hand #32622805-217 at Union Gap (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 15/Jun/06 22:00:37

glunday is at seat 0 with $54.65.
Tyrus Raymond is at seat 1 with $23.35.
thbowler is at seat 2 with $40.50.
j0v1al is at seat 3 with $28.10.
NoPipedream is at seat 5 with $35.85.
RVoegele is at seat 6 with $37.70.
maxfiglio is at seat 7 with $25.40.
Mayweed is at seat 8 with $48.
goods2001 is at seat 9 with $52.25.
The button is at seat 9.

glunday posts the small blind of $.25.
Tyrus Raymond posts the big blind of $.50.

glunday: -- --
Tyrus Raymond: -- --
thbowler: -- --
j0v1al: -- --
NoPipedream: -- --
RVoegele: Qh Qd
maxfiglio: -- --
Mayweed: -- --
goods2001: -- --

Pre-flop:

thbowler folds. j0v1al folds. NoPipedream folds.
RVoegele raises to $1.75. maxfiglio folds. Mayweed
folds. goods2001 calls. glunday folds. Tyrus
Raymond folds.

Flop (board: 2c 4d 6c):

RVoegele bets $2.50. goods2001 raises to $8.50.
RVoegele calls.

Turn (board: 2c 4d 6c 5s):

RVoegele checks. goods2001 bets $14. RVoegele goes
all-in for $27.45. goods2001 calls.

River (board: 2c 4d 6c 5s 9s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

RVoegele shows Qh Qd.
RVoegele has Qh Qd 6c 5s 9s: a pair of queens.
goods2001 shows 6s 4s.
goods2001 has 6s 4s 4d 6c 9s: two pair, sixes and fours.


Hand #32622805-217 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $76.15.
goods2001 wins $73.15 with two pair, sixes and fours.
----------------------------------------------------------------

I put him on 2 high clubs, maybe a mid pair trying to get some broken straight but knowing he had an overpair to the board.

Hand #32622775-557 at Crystal (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 15/Jun/06 21:20:56

purduerules1 is at seat 0 with $23.60.
CaptKirk is at seat 1 with $53.45.
littletrogdor is at seat 2 with $76.
RVoegele is at seat 3 with $57.05.
madisoph2005 is at seat 4 with $42.50.
btidmarsh515 is at seat 5 with $50.15.
lonetraveller is at seat 6 with $27.65.
Sara_not_Cara is at seat 7 with $8.60.
seemorecash is at seat 8 with $20.25.
ajaxaua is at seat 9 with $59.65.
The button is at seat 4.

btidmarsh515 posts the small blind of $.25.
lonetraveller posts the big blind of $.50.

purduerules1: -- --
CaptKirk: -- --
littletrogdor: -- --
RVoegele: Js Jd
madisoph2005: -- --
btidmarsh515: -- --
lonetraveller: -- --
Sara_not_Cara: -- --
seemorecash: -- --
ajaxaua: -- --

Pre-flop:

Sara_not_Cara folds. seemorecash folds. ajaxaua
folds. purduerules1 folds. CaptKirk folds.
littletrogdor folds. RVoegele raises to $1.75.
madisoph2005 calls. btidmarsh515 folds.
lonetraveller folds.

Flop (board: 6c 3c 9c):

RVoegele bets $3. madisoph2005 raises to $6.
RVoegele calls.

Turn (board: 6c 3c 9c 9d):

RVoegele bets $12. madisoph2005 goes all-in for
$34.75. RVoegele calls.

River (board: 6c 3c 9c 9d 3s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

madisoph2005 shows Ac 7c.
madisoph2005 has Ac 7c 6c 3c 9c: flush, ace high.
RVoegele mucks cards.
(RVoegele has Js Jd.)


Hand #32622775-557 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $85.75.
madisoph2005 wins $82.75 with flush, ace high.
----------------------------------------------------------------


This hand I put him on Ac with either an K/Q off. Felt like he was drawing because of the small reraise. The call on the end for me was horrible, but I was sticking with my read. There is no need to critique that, I might as well have paypal'ed him the money....

[Edited on June 16, 2006 at 7:52 AM. Reason : .]

6/16/2006 7:46:42 AM

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Hand 1: Personally I like raising more preflop. That $1.75 shit isn't going to cut it. Especially when someone on big blind only has to throw in a dollar more to play. He has any ok hand he will stay in. After the flop you bet about half the pot. I would throw out a nice juicy pot bet at this point. If he has a flush draw he will call your small bet trying to hit and most likely call with top pair as well and then you have to worry about him hitting two pair. You can't give them good odds here. It sucks when the 5 comes. I could maybe put them on bottom pair with a flush draw but once the 5 hits you are kind of screwed and the river pretty much seals your fate.

Hand 2: Same thing. Have to raise more preflop. If everyone folds then thats that. You may put him on a flushdraw on the flop, but 8.50 if a hell of a lot to raise just to get a free card. If he had the flush draw I would expect a call or maybe a small raise, but nothing that big. Apparently from the turn you were prepared to go all in which makes me wonder why you didn't just do it on the flop. If he called with low suited connectors he could have flopped two pair, which he obviously did, but he could have had 65, 45, 43, 23, on the flop for all you know and the turn just made his hand.

Hand 3: Wow, just wow. I'm not even sure what to say about this one. Once again, I would raise more preflop. You have good position preflop, it just sucks you got called by the button. On the flop I would be a little more inclined to stay in if I had a club. Since you don't, you really need to make a play on this hand before you get all the way to the river, be it, fold or raise. He min reraised on the flop, so he could just be going for a free card, but for some reason you decided to just call and wait until the turn to bet. The turn which just happens to make someone's top pair into trips. Even after his all in on the turn you could have saved yourself 20 bucks, but you choose to throw it away. Oh nevermind, you already pointed that out.

6/16/2006 9:10:47 AM

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^ I made my post without reading David's reply, it seems we're pretty much in agreement.



You are definately overvaluing QQ and JJ. You hit on part of it here:

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"When I raise more, the only hands that call are AA, KK and AK. When I raise a good ammount, people catch crap and win."



This is a good observation, and it is why 90% of the time I just limp with QQ or JJ. You shouldn't be looking to create a big pot with these hands. All things even(ie you dont have a good read on your opponent), it's very difficult to show down a winner for a big pot unless you make a set. This might be a difference in the 25NL and 50NL tables, in that you're more likely to find players going apeshit over top pair top kicker at 25NL tables which makes any overpair +EV to call down. There will be times where you can bust A10 with JJ on a 10 high flop, or your QQ will bust an opponent's JJ/1010 on a 9 high flop, but not often enough to make this play profitable. There's also the problem that was not addressed in these three hands, running into AA or KK. If you're consistantly raising with JJ/QQ/AK and willing to go all the way with them, you will run into people who cold call you preflop and crush you with a well diguised AA or KK. In fact, I've been having a lot of success with this play(against the right type of players) at the 100NL/200NL tables in recent months.

Next issue: getting raised. In all three of these hands you didn't get raised until you were beat, and in all three instances HUGE FUCKING 'OH SHIT' SIRENS should have been going off in your head. Bluffing happens less than you would think, and it get very expensive to be wrong in these situations. The first hand was kind of a shit situation, mostly brought on by your small bets preflop and on the flop. Not that A5 had any excuse for calling that flop, but you enabled the bad player to outdraw you, and once he did you had no idea where you were at. You didn't define your hand or his, then you cold called a big raise just because you had the overpair. You were lucky that J came on the end, cause an even bigger shit storm was brewing. For the second hand, it was a tough situation to be in but you need to be able to lay the hand down. You raised preflop then lead out, that will win the pot most of the time because you have defined your overpair and played it accordingly(though I would prefer a bigger bet on the flop). Your opponent knows this and raises anyway, at which point the 'OH SHIT' sirens should have been going off. I'd say 70-80% of the time you are beat in this situation, suited connectors and small pairs are likely calls with that sort of wimpy preflop raise. I don't hate the call on the flop as much as the raise on the turn. Even if he was semi-bluffing on the flop with some sort of pair+straight draw, he just hit it with that 5. You just can't continue in that hand with that board on an unimproved QQ, the chances that he is overplaying a lower pair are too slight. He knows exactly what you have and you have no idea what he's got, run away. You just got stubborn in that 3rd hand, you had a legitamite read up until he went all in. You eliminated the possibility of a bluff with your $12 bet, and there's virutally no chance your jacks are good against an all-in. You put him on a hand, then made a play that failed. You must abandon your read at that point and get out.


To summarize:

1) Hand selection - preflop raising with QQ/JJ then going apeshit with the overpair is -EV at these tables. Like I said, you shoudlnt be trying to win a big pot with these hands, you're more likely to get picked off. Though interestingly enough, these same plays arent nearly as bad at 6-max tables, you're much more likely to get paid by a worse hand there. If you had posted these hands from 6-max tables I would lean more towards chalking it up to variance and say you mostly just got unlikely, but as it stands I think you overplayed them.

2) Getting raised - like I said every time you got raised you were behind. This will usually be the case at 50NL and above. Not like 90% of the time, but enough so that you need to accept it as the default and only continue with overpairs/TPTK against players that you have some sort of read on.




So how the fuck does one make money at these tables? Exploit players that overplay their overpairs and TPTK by outdrawing them with a monster flop. And when you're ahead, make the calling stations overpay for their draws, it adds up.







[Edited on June 16, 2006 at 5:30 PM. Reason : carrot]

6/16/2006 5:25:59 PM

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^^ & ^

What i was thinking, I need to raise a little more andget away fom them quicker whien I hit people fight back and reraise and I did not improve.

6/16/2006 6:22:08 PM

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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

PokerStars Game #5274128238: Tournament #26565609, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/06/16 - 20:37:18 (ET)
Table '26565609 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: TIMTHETUNA (4165 in chips)
Seat 2: Typhicane (4275 in chips)
Seat 3: Salemon (5365 in chips)
Seat 4: mikelm (3610 in chips)
Seat 7: brooktown (5010 in chips)
Seat 8: willieball (3345 in chips)
Seat 9: TomBomba (1230 in chips)
mikelm: posts small blind 100
brooktown: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Typhicane [Kc Ac]
willieball: folds
TomBomba: folds
TIMTHETUNA: raises 400 to 600
Typhicane: raises 3675 to 4275 and is all-in
Salemon: folds
mikelm: folds
brooktown: folds
TIMTHETUNA: calls 3565 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6h 7c 4h]
Salemon said, "nope, 9 3"
*** TURN *** [6h 7c 4h] [Qs]
TIMTHETUNA said, "heart"
*** RIVER *** [6h 7c 4h Qs] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TIMTHETUNA: shows [Kh Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
Typhicane: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Sevens)
TIMTHETUNA collected 8630 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8630 | Rake 0
Board [6h 7c 4h Qs 7h]
Seat 1: TIMTHETUNA showed [Kh Ah] and won (8630) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: Typhicane showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: Salemon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mikelm (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: brooktown (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: willieball folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TomBomba folded before Flop (didn't bet)

6/16/2006 8:38:47 PM

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AND I FINALLY CATCH A BREAK.....

PokerStars Game #5275003339: Tournament #26569040, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/06/16 - 22:02:08 (ET)
Table '26569040 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DUI13 (6899 in chips)
Seat 2: poolawz (713 in chips)
Seat 3: vice10 (3360 in chips)
Seat 5: cheappolock (2548 in chips)
Seat 6: POKER PU99 (9173 in chips)
Seat 7: Typhicane (3145 in chips)
Seat 8: Subman (1488 in chips)
Seat 9: getserious69 (13174 in chips)
DUI13: posts the ante 25
poolawz: posts the ante 25
vice10: posts the ante 25
cheappolock: posts the ante 25
POKER PU99: posts the ante 25
Typhicane: posts the ante 25
Subman: posts the ante 25
getserious69: posts the ante 25
getserious69: posts small blind 200
DUI13: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Typhicane [7s 7c]
poolawz: folds
vice10: raises 400 to 800
cheappolock: folds
POKER PU99: folds
Typhicane: raises 2320 to 3120 and is all-in
Subman: folds
getserious69: folds
DUI13: folds
vice10: calls 2320
*** FLOP *** [2c 5c 7h]
*** TURN *** [2c 5c 7h] [Qs]
DUI13 said, "gay"
*** RIVER *** [2c 5c 7h Qs] [9d]
DUI13 said, "oooooooooooooooooo"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vice10: shows [Qh Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
Typhicane: shows [7s 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
vice10 collected 7040 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7040 | Rake 0
Board [2c 5c 7h Qs 9d]
Seat 1: DUI13 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: poolawz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: vice10 showed [Qh Qd] and won (7040) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: cheappolock folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: POKER PU99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Typhicane showed [7s 7c] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 8: Subman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: getserious69 (small blind) folded before Flop

6/16/2006 10:04:04 PM

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Typh I feel your pain

PokerStars Game #5275212812: Tournament #26171968, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/06/16 - 22:19:48 (ET)
Table '26171968 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: MCMATTO (2960 in chips)
Seat 2: guyfox (3450 in chips)
Seat 3: VladK (3380 in chips)
Seat 4: Rhombus13 (2580 in chips)
Seat 5: Pritzi (1040 in chips)
Seat 6: rtsmith (1310 in chips)
Seat 7: nufsaid 26 (1230 in chips)
Seat 8: NovaAce (1550 in chips)
Seat 9: bpolcin (180 in chips) is sitting out
MCMATTO: posts small blind 10
guyfox: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rtsmith [As Ac]
VladK: folds
Rhombus13: raises 60 to 80
Pritzi: calls 80
rtsmith: raises 160 to 240
nufsaid 26: calls 240
NovaAce: folds
bpolcin: folds
MCMATTO: folds
guyfox: folds
Rhombus13: calls 160
Pritzi: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [3c 8d 7s]
Rhombus13: bets 1020
Pritzi: calls 800 and is all-in
rtsmith: raises 50 to 1070 and is all-in
nufsaid 26: folds
Rhombus13: calls 50
*** TURN *** [3c 8d 7s] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3c 8d 7s 5d] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rhombus13: shows [9h 9s] (a straight, Five to Nine)
rtsmith: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Rhombus13 collected 540 from side pot
Pritzi: shows [6d 7d] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
guyfox said, "wow"
Rhombus13 collected 3390 from main pot
JMESS is connected
VladK said, "wowser"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3930 Main pot 3390. Side pot 540. | Rake 0
Board [3c 8d 7s 5d 6c]
Seat 1: MCMATTO (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: guyfox (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: VladK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rhombus13 showed [9h 9s] and won (3930) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 5: Pritzi showed [6d 7d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 6: rtsmith showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: nufsaid 26 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: NovaAce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bpolcin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

6/16/2006 10:24:01 PM

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what the fuck...q10 is not a good allin hand

PokerStars Game #5276137350: Tournament #26171975, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/06/16 - 23:34:28 (ET)
Table '26171975 97' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: blingbling08 (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: Thomas Anvil (3120 in chips)
Seat 3: jimmycar (1060 in chips)
Seat 4: rvbent (8210 in chips)
Seat 5: ROK1 (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: rtsmith (1520 in chips)
Seat 7: DrexelTim (4445 in chips)
Seat 8: twelliott (540 in chips)
Seat 9: vinlyice (2715 in chips)
twelliott: posts small blind 50
vinlyice: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rtsmith [Ah Qc]
blingbling08: folds
Thomas Anvil: folds
jimmycar: calls 100
rvbent: folds
ROK1: folds
rtsmith: raises 1420 to 1520 and is all-in
DrexelTim: folds
twelliott: calls 490 and is all-in
vinlyice: folds
jimmycar: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d Th]
rtsmith said, "nooooooooooooooooooo"
*** TURN *** [Qs 3d Th] [2c]
rtsmith said, "lucky"
*** RIVER *** [Qs 3d Th 2c] [2s]
rtsmith said, "****tttttttttttt"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
twelliott: shows [Qd Ts] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
rtsmith: shows [Ah Qc] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
twelliott collected 1280 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1280 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 3d Th 2c 2s]
Seat 1: blingbling08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Thomas Anvil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jimmycar folded before Flop
Seat 4: rvbent folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ROK1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rtsmith showed [Ah Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 7: DrexelTim (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: twelliott (small blind) showed [Qd Ts] and won (1280) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 9: vinlyice (big blind) folded before Flop

6/16/2006 11:37:22 PM

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Damn. I need to get on pokerstars so I can win some money from you fools.

6/17/2006 12:38:46 AM

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^^ WTF

WHY POST THAT? YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR NOT EXPECTING THAT CALL

NOT THAT BAD OF A BEAT AND YOU WERENT CRIPPLED BY IT

BIG FUCKING DEAL

6/17/2006 2:11:50 AM

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^ hes mean

6/17/2006 3:06:05 AM

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