100% dissatisfaction

11/30/2011 12:48:06 AM

^^In the short run jobs are created by increasing economic efficiency and therefore economic activity. It seems ridiculous to suggest bailing out inefficient firms will increase economic efficiency.

To put it another way, the position is that the bailouts cost jobs elsewhere in the economy, offsetting those immediately saved in the bailed out companies.

So the question is why do you think the Great Recession is still on-going with 9% unemployment? We argue it is due to suppression of private investment by regime uncertainty as government deficits and government takeovers have ravaged the financial sector and crony capitalism now dominates as cronies get waivers such as from Obamacare and their rivals face stiff regulatory burdens.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 1:01 AM. Reason : .,.]

11/30/2011 12:51:55 AM

Keep exporting that democracy: http://bikyamasr.com/49799/egypt-import-tear-gas-from-us/



[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 1:00:06 AM

If you think Bush or Obama is the one giving orders, you're probably wrong.


The same entity that owns the government is doing these deeds.

11/30/2011 1:36:29 AM

The Senate has approved the indefinite military detention of domestic American citizens without trial.

Soon the veto of this single man will be the only thing preventing this from becoming reality(and a supreme court decision that is implemented with "all deliberate speed" if at all). This same single man that has already personally ordered the assassination of two American citizens without trial this year, suggesting his veto threat is more a response to perceived popularity than any true moral misgivings.

And you people doubt me when I suggest the end is near.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 2:41:45 PM

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/obama-cover-up-court-records-of-border-patrol-agent-murder-sealed

nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.

11/30/2011 2:48:58 PM

He also supports the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) which would give the government the ability to shut down "rogue" websites. Yeaaaa

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/sopa-internet-censorship-online-piracy-house-hearing_n_1098255.html

11/30/2011 3:00:43 PM

I think his position on that could be swayed with sufficient public outcry in an election year.

However, it would be vastly preferable to have public officials that support civil liberties without constantly being reminded to do so. Perhaps I'm naive.

11/30/2011 3:41:53 PM

Quote :

"I think his position on that could be swayed with sufficient public outcry corporate sponsorship in an election year."

11/30/2011 3:53:26 PM

of course he supports the government being an internet watchdog; nearly every politician does... more fed power, more control of online content, etc.

11/30/2011 4:23:45 PM

Quote :

"President Obama: Veto the Defense Authorization Act"

+1 if ya do.

11/30/2011 5:29:25 PM

-100

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/11/obama-bush-environment-oira

Quote :

"For a while now, Obama's environmental record has been mixed—at times great, at others shoddy. But a new report (PDF), released Monday from the Center on Progressive Reform (CPR), suggests that when it comes to dismantling environmental reforms, Obama's administration is actually on par with that of former President George W. Bush. What’s worse, the report shows, is that their combined decade of damage has a common denominator: an elusive federal entity called the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) that has, under the auspices of both administrations, waged war on environmental, health, and safety protections."

Quote :

"A few examples of OIRA's meddling: Though smog pollution—which has been linked to asthma and other lung conditions—has been steadily rising, OIRA struck down the EPA’s efforts to tighten regulations that would have reduced it. When a faulty ash pond in Kingston, Tennessee led to a coal ash spill that was, in quantity, larger than the BP spill, the EPA wrote stricter regulations for coal ash storage—but once OIRA got the draft, it watered the regulations down to the point that they're effectively useless. In both cases, OIRA backed its changes citing industry concerns that, the report explains, are based on incomplete research, and contradict the thorough reviews conducted by the EPA"

I may skip voting again this year

12/1/2011 11:10:10 AM

I just read the white house statement on his veto threat. It seems he opposes the bill not on civil rights terms, but because it takes power away from federal authorities, who are already detaining and assassinating American citizens without trial.

In any case (the senate at least) has more than enough votes to override a veto.

The country is too far gone. Even replacing every lawmaker currently up for election would not have prevented this political scenario. I don't know what to do.

12/3/2011 11:12:20 AM

Quote :

"In any case (the senate at least) has more than enough votes to override a veto. "

Are you talking about the "Indefinite Detention" Bill?

12/3/2011 11:32:34 AM

Quote :

"Sen. Levin has disclosed, as Dave Kopel documents, that “it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power,” on the ground it would unduly restrict the decision-making of Executive Branch officials. In other words, Obama officials wanted the flexibility to militarily detain even U.S. citizens if they were so inclined, and are angry that this bill purports to limit their actions."

12/4/2011 10:46:45 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/197835-president-cancels-hawaii-trip-after-getting-blasted-by-romney

Quote :

"President Obama won't go to Hawaii while payroll tax is in limbo President Obama is not vacationing in Hawaii with his wife and children while the extension of the payroll tax holiday remains in limbo, and has warned GOP congressional leaders to stay in town as well. Obama had planned to fly to Hawaii with his family on Dec. 17 and stay there through New Year’s. After getting ripped by GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney over his vacation plans, Obama told Senate Democratic leaders Wednesday that he will stay in town until Congress finishes work on the payroll tax holiday, unemployment benefits and other issues. Obama told Democratic leaders: “Michelle and the girls are going to have a great time in Hawaii, they don’t need me there,” according to Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-Nev.). Romney blasted Obama’s vacation plans on Monday. “I just think it’s time to have a president those idea of being ‘hands on’ doesn’t mean getting a better grip on the golf club,” Romney told potential caucus voters in Iowa. Obama told leaders it would be unacceptable if House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) adjourned for Christmas next week without extending a 2-percentage point reduction of the payroll tax. A White House official disputed the notion that Obama had altered his vacation plans because of Romney's criticism. The official noted that Obama had already threatened to spend Christmas with Republicans in Washington if Congress failed to take action on payroll taxes. “We’re going to keep pushing Congress to make this happen," Obama said Friday. "Now is not the time to slam the brakes on the recovery. Right now, it’s time to step on the gas. We need to get this done. And I expect that it’s going to get done before Congress leaves. Otherwise, Congress may not be leaving, and we can all spend Christmas here together.” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters Tuesday that he would be surprised if Congress left town for the Christmas break without extending the payroll tax rate. "The president said himself quite explicitly that he, if necessary, will - I think the phrasing was, be here through Christmas," according to a press report. "

12/7/2011 2:18:18 PM

pretty snarky for romney-

kudos to obama though,

if only he hadnt been doing this his entire presidency.

12/7/2011 2:31:07 PM

not that this excuses anything, but I seem to recall a former president who thought the most pressing issue of our time was the amassing of large amounts of brush on his ranch...

12/7/2011 4:26:31 PM

W had a full office setup at the Ranch. It is widely known that he telecommuted, not on a luxury vacation.

12/8/2011 2:09:31 PM

For 2012 I will be writing in someone.

12/8/2011 2:20:24 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/08/obama-channels-hugo-chavez-shows-why-he-cant-lead-on-the-economy/

12/8/2011 8:31:30 PM

^haha. That's a terrible article.

He first alludes to Teddy Roosevelt, and then seamlessly uses that as a transition to compare Obama to Franklin Roosevelt, hoping to catch the reader off guard without realizing that they are two different people. And if that's not enough, he then compares him to Carter and gives the standard conservative cry of "Keynesian economics" and "Marxism." And he did all of that within one paragraph. It's as if the author thinks that Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Carter, and Marx all had the exact same ethos.

I'm sure that appeases the flunkies who read his articles, though.

The truth is, Obama is not a Progressive. He's just not. Which is why its so fucking infuriating when his detractors yell "Marxist! Socialist!" at a president who's practically to the right of Ronald goddamn Reagan.


haha. just read the rest of the article. Puts all of the blame on Obama for federal spending without putting it into proper context and then makes an appeal to trickle-down supply side economics and bush tax cuts. Yeaaahh, real honest analysis, that stuff is.



oh, and here's the authors bio:

Quote :

"I am Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute, General Counsel of Americans for Tax Reform, and Senior Fellow for the Carleson Center for Public Policy. I served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. "

Let's see. Reagan advisor. Director at a Conservative think tank, and Bush1 Advisor.

It's sad that the worker-bees in America eat this shit up even though it has actively worked against their own best interests for the past 30 years.

Great article yowillyo, what else you got for us?

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 9:04 PM. Reason : ]

12/8/2011 8:43:09 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07/jay-carney-economy-recession_n_1134196.html

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""There was not a single mainstream, Wall Street, academic economist who knew at the time, in January of 2009, just how deep the economic hole was that we were in," Carney told Morning Joe hosts Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough on Wednesday's program."

Shit, even mainstream economists (as useless as they are) predicted how bad it would get.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

12/8/2011 11:31:21 PM

Quote :

"It's as if the author thinks that Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Carter, and Marx all had the exact same ethos"

It seems you haven't yet realized that yes, this is exactly what conservatives think. In their dualistic good vs. evil world all the progressives, liberals, nazis, and marxists are under one umbrella of an ideology called "anti us"

12/9/2011 9:08:11 AM

fuck these motherfucking republicans.

"either we'll run our oil pipeline through your water, or we're raising your damn taxes"

fuck them. they hate america.

12/9/2011 11:59:48 PM

President Newt? GOP still doesnt have anyone that can beat a weak Obama (Romney is the closest maybe he can buy it this time around, ask Corzine how to go about doing that, he bought two).

[Edited on December 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM. Reason : w]

12/10/2011 8:04:40 PM

More americans have health insurance under the new plan. Yet, this is the first thing that GOPers would repeal?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/14/health/health-insurance/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

+ 1 for Obama

12/14/2011 4:50:37 PM

^we could just put everyone on medicaid. Then EVERYONE would have free insurance. Only the greedy rich would oppose such a plan...

12/14/2011 7:10:52 PM

Yes, everyone should have access to healthcare. I agree. This is a small step.

12/14/2011 9:33:59 PM

insurance != healthcare. that's your first problem

12/14/2011 9:52:20 PM

credibility now completely gone-

12/15/2011 8:45:53 AM

Credible - letting the war in Iraq end.

Not credible - BRINGING THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS HOME!!!

Seriously, it could have been a great week for him. Now it's just disgusting.

12/15/2011 9:02:30 AM

Obama now expected to sign the NDAA, which allows for indefinite detainment of American citizens without trial.

To the people that still support this asshole: WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU BRAIN DEAD MOTHER FUCKERS

12/15/2011 10:32:30 AM

When folks use canned phrases like "Wake Up" or wear Guy Fawkes masks I lose a lot of hope for the future, it seems that increasingly the only way people know how to try to rebel is by using idioms and iconography the system itself present us with through media.

12/15/2011 10:46:56 AM

As an example, consider the irony involved when people use the phrase "Think outside the box" to try and coax originality and novelty out

12/15/2011 10:48:52 AM

12/15/2011 11:23:29 AM

Quote :

"When folks use canned phrases like "Wake Up" or wear Guy Fawkes masks I lose a lot of hope for the future, it seems that increasingly the only way people know how to try to rebel is by using idioms and iconography the system itself present us with through media."

You're one bitter son of a bitch.

12/15/2011 11:32:32 AM

Sorry but when I see "revolutionaries" challenging people to think for themselves by using media-sanctioned catchphrases and memes I can't help but laugh. I'm trying to free your mind, d3stroy3r. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.


[Edited on December 15, 2011 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

12/15/2011 11:39:56 AM

Have you ever had a dream, d3stroy3r, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

12/15/2011 11:40:27 AM

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf (the section in question 1031)

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"Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force."

All this bill does is clarifies powers the President already had and puts them into law. Is it a good thing? No, but enough with all the drama. President's have been detaining and assassinating American citizens since Lincoln. If anyone thought the Bill of Rights (as well as the rest of the constitution) was anything other than a fancy piece of toilet paper, consider your dream shattered.

12/15/2011 11:52:02 AM

Quote :

"Sorry but when I see "revolutionaries" challenging people to think for themselves by using media-sanctioned catchphrases and memes I can't help but laugh. I'm trying to free your mind, d3stroy3r. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."

Do this entire forum a favor and get detained indefinitely without trial. Maybe Obama will let you suck his dick while you're there.

Quote :

"All this bill does is clarifies powers the President already had and puts them into law. Is it a good thing? No, but enough with all the drama. President's have been detaining and assassinating American citizens since Lincoln. If anyone thought the Bill of Rights (as well as the rest of the constitution) was anything other than a fancy piece of toilet paper, consider your dream shattered."

What the fuck is this shit?

12/15/2011 11:59:49 AM

Quote :

"All this bill does is clarifies powers the President already had and puts them into law. Is it a good thing? No, but enough with all the drama. President's have been detaining and assassinating American citizens since Lincoln. If anyone thought the Bill of Rights (as well as the rest of the constitution) was anything other than a fancy piece of toilet paper, consider your dream shattered."

This "shit" is these dumb fuckers defending their president at all costs-

Nothing more, nothing less-

It's funny that ignorant Republicans (that they hate) defended Bush (whom they hate) regarding the Patriot Act (which they hate) years ago in this exact same fashion. I assume in a few years they can be expected to be similarly ridiculed?

[Edited on December 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM. Reason : -]

12/15/2011 12:29:11 PM

Or, you know, the truth. The United States isn't, and hasn't been for a very long time, the global standard for freedom and civil liberties. Again, we've been detaining American citizens for tens, if not hundreds of years. Remember internment camps for Japanese people during World War II? They didn't even have the luxury of being accused of terrorist activities first. Their only crime was looking like a Japanese person.

Talk to someone who hasn't lived here for most of their lives, and you'll find that we are the laughing stock of the developed (and most of the non-developed) world on basically every social issue. Look at our healthcare system for god sakes. When I tell my Canadian relatives that I have to spend $1500 out of my own pocket before my coverage kicks in, they look at me like a crazy person. Yesterday, I paid $75 for a band-aid, some neosporin, and a piece of paper referring me to specialist for a lesion on my knee. And I'm sure I'll get another bill in the mail for that "service".

I don't "support" Obama because I thought he would reverse decades of conservative fuckery on day one. I voted for him because I wanted to stem the tide, and at least start things moving in the other direction. Despite being having to prioritize the failing economy (which by the way, has added jobs literally every single month he's been President, after losing 7-8 million at the tail end of the previous administration) Dubya dropped at his feet, he's done that on many issues including health care, education, and foreign policy. And he's done it with half the legislative branch opposing every single policy he's proposed, not on merit, but simply because he's the one proposing them. Given the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his Presidency, including having to hold a fucking press conference on his eligibility to be President 2 years AFTER being elected, he's definitely met my expectations.

12/15/2011 1:03:02 PM

Quote :

"he's definitely met my expectations."

Discussion over - you're an idiot. You are what is wrong with America.

12/15/2011 1:08:57 PM

LOL, and you call Str8Foolish "bitter". It really must suck to support a candidate as irrelevant as Ron Paul. Keep blaming the fed for everything and adhering to an ideology that borders on religion, while having no concept of how the real world works.

12/15/2011 1:19:56 PM

^^^ So, when this horrible bill passes, will that be "stemming the tide" or "moving in the other direction"?

[Edited on December 15, 2011 at 1:20 PM. Reason : sdfg]

12/15/2011 1:20:23 PM

lmao news flash: ron paul supporter confused, angered by concept of realistic expectations

12/15/2011 1:30:54 PM

Have you been paying any attention? The bill doesn't change anything. Again, it literally says,

Quote :

""Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.""

What do you want Obama to do? Sign the non-existent bill which revokes authority that was granted back in 2001? What do you think President Gingrich, or Romney, or Paul (lol) would do in this situation?

12/15/2011 1:31:30 PM

Quote :

"having no concept of how the real world works."

(you)

12/15/2011 1:31:50 PM

Quote :

"“The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,” said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Senator McCain also told Rand Paul during a hearing on the bill that American citizens could be declared an enemy combatant, sent to Guantanamo Bay and detained indefinitely, “no matter who they are.”"

I'm quite confused as to why the most vocal Liberals on this stupid board are siding with Lindsey Graham of all fucking people? Jesus Christ you people really are something else..

..and DO NOT use "George Bush" in your reply. I probably hate him worse than you-

12/15/2011 1:35:21 PM