Oh shit guys, he beat Virginia Tech.

3/31/2011 11:03:23 PM

Damnit, you jinxed it. If you had said Billy Donovan on the first post we'd be set

3/31/2011 11:04:02 PM

Remember how in Sid's first year he beat VT 3 times

100 PAGES FOR BILLY DONOVAN

3/31/2011 11:04:06 PM

Since I don't keep up with other schools' coaching searches, was Marshall listed as a candidate for other schools recently? What were their fans saying about him? Do they hate guys that win at mid-majors too?

3/31/2011 11:04:07 PM

If KenPom matters so much, they are ranked 28th before tonight's game so that will be even higher tomorrow.

http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Wichita%20St.

Alabama, VTech, SDSU, VCU, and UConn were their top 50 teams. They went 2-3. This is a mid-major team competing with majors.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:05 PM. Reason : He was rumored at Tennessee and is at OU as well]

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:06 PM. Reason : VCU checkin in at 49 even with a FF run]

3/31/2011 11:04:52 PM

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"Alabama, VTech, SDSU, and UConn were there top 50 teams. They went 2-2."

So is VCU

2-3

Mediocre

3/31/2011 11:05:41 PM

Other schools know where they stand on the totem pole and would feel good about getting Marshall. Definitely the case on the GT boards.

Seriously, the guy would have us getting 10 conference wins consistently WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING FOR. No one, and I mean NO ONE is going to come to State and start running shit in the ACC immediately. Certainly not Shaka.

3/31/2011 11:05:58 PM

guys you can stop talking about greggg marshall. billy donovan is coming.

3/31/2011 11:06:40 PM

3/31/2011 11:07:26 PM

Oh Christ, now we're back to needing to KNOW OUR PLACE

3/31/2011 11:07:27 PM

oh look, boozie is posting shit from pomroy again

3/31/2011 11:08:05 PM

Is anyone going to be happy with the new head coach or is it going to be a bitch fest until he wins his first game against UNC or Duke?

3/31/2011 11:08:37 PM

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"Seriously, the guy would have us getting 10 conference wins consistently "

There are two guys who consistently win 10+ games in the ACC: K and Roy.

Think about what you're saying here.

3/31/2011 11:08:51 PM

^^^Ernie brought it up.

You keep harping that but I was known as the "RPI" guy.

If you are going to crack stupid insults, at least know what you are talking about.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM. Reason : for jsun's troll]

3/31/2011 11:08:52 PM

Well as much as I hate to say it we DO have a place. And right now, it's not the top of the ACC. Some day, yes. But you don't just jump from 5-11 to 15-1 and elite 8's overnight. Doesn't. Happen.

3/31/2011 11:09:06 PM

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"There are two guys who consistently win 10+ games in the ACC: K and Roy."

Dude HERB basically had us there. 9 wins twice (close enough to 10, +/- 1), 10 wins, 11 wins, with a 7 game dip in there. Herb could do it.

3/31/2011 11:10:52 PM

Things that boozie (and many others) hated about Lowe:
Too big of a rotation
Running too many set plays

Greggs calling cards:
A huge rotation
Running mostly set plays

Right now dismissing all the pipe dream candidates
Grant>Smart>....>Archie Miller> Julius Hodge> Gavin Grant (maybe we could get him released from prison)>Greggggggggggggg

3/31/2011 11:11:32 PM

So if Herb could do it then why is OUR PLACE at the bottom of the ACC regardless of the coach

3/31/2011 11:12:14 PM

So consistently winning 10+ games means not doing it until your 8th season

Unless you count seasons that weren't 10+ wins

That's a pretty funny definition

3/31/2011 11:12:17 PM

alls i'm sayin is numbers don't always tell the whole story, bro

3/31/2011 11:12:35 PM

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"Dude HERB basically had us there. 9 wins twice (close enough to 10, +/- 1), 10 wins, 11 wins, with a 7 game dip in there. Herb could do it."

lies. Marshall is doing something at WSU we haven't seen here in DECADES

3/31/2011 11:13:00 PM

Who said our place is the bottom? All I'm saying is do it in steps. Bottom -> 10ish wins consistently (usually good for top 3rd) -> then start trying to go for more. There are no shortcuts to the top, and that's what State fans can't understand.

3/31/2011 11:13:31 PM

Quote :

"lies. Marshall is doing something at WSU we haven't seen here in DECADES"

aha this xiznenze kid is all over the place

3/31/2011 11:13:42 PM

Quote :

"Grant>Smart>....>Archie Miller> Julius Hodge> Gavin Grant (maybe we could get him released from prison)>Greggggggggggggg"

Coming from you that makes me feel even better about Gregg.

I mean all Gregg did tonight was beat Grant's ass with a mid-major team.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM. Reason : lol forgot that gggggg]

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason : I don't get it]

3/31/2011 11:14:13 PM

lol there are no shortcuts to go from the bottom to the top 1/3, you just have to start from the bottom and then the next step is 10 wins (which is good for top 1/3)!

3/31/2011 11:15:00 PM

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"So consistently winning 10+ games means not doing it until your 8th season Unless you count seasons that weren't 10+ wins That's a pretty funny definition"

Derp? Yeah it took Herb awhile but 4/5 of his last years were 9+ wins, top 3rd of the conference. CONSISTENTLY. I see NO REASON why Marshall can't do it (and possibly more every now and then) if Herb can.

3/31/2011 11:15:01 PM

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"lies. Marshall is doing something at WSU we haven't seen here in DECADES "

hahahha this is retarded.

3/31/2011 11:15:06 PM

Quote :

"lies. Marshall is doing something at WSU we haven't seen here in DECADES"

Actually he is. Winning more than 22 games in a single season. Look it up, we haven't done that in decades .

Quote :

"lol there are no shortcuts to go from the bottom to the top 1/3, you just have to start from the bottom and then the next step is 10 wins (which is good for top 1/3)!"

Once again... Herb did it. It can be done.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason : ...]

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ...]

3/31/2011 11:16:11 PM

Quote :

"I mean all Greg did tonight was beat Grant's ass with a mid-major team."

And Lowe beat K's ass twice with shittier teams I guess we should hire him back? What a dumb fucking argument.

I will repeat it again Gregg Marshall is known for doing the things that state fans hate:
Huge rotations
Running set plays almost exclusively

Quote :

" Actually he is. Winning more than 20 games in a single season. Look it up, we haven't done that in decades"

2003–04 NC State 21–10 11–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2004–05 NC State 21–14 7–9 T–6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005–06 NC State 22–10 10–6 4th NCAA Second Round
Wrong again

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:19 PM. Reason : what an idiot]

3/31/2011 11:17:05 PM

Quote :

"I will repeat it again Gregg Marshall is known for doing the things that state fans hate: Huge rotations Running set plays almost exclusively"

I don't think fans would hate those if they were successful.

Marshall gets big points from guys off the bench.
Sid would sit guys who were getting hot.

3/31/2011 11:18:20 PM

I wasn't aware that this thread would get even funnier AFTER the billy donovan is on his way pages

3/31/2011 11:18:37 PM

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"There are no shortcuts to the top, and that's what State fans can't understand."

Everyone understands that. No one wants Shaka because they think he'll take us to the final four next year. We want him over Marshall because he's at least proven that he can do it. Marshall hasn't even proven that he can get past the first weekend. And at a school that plays in what is usually a decent mid-major conference, Marshall hasn't proven that he can even get to the tournament.

Hire Marshall and in four to five years we're all going to be bitching about not making deep runs, just like with Herb. Hire Smart and he might fall flat, but he's at least shown the ability to do something worth a damn.

3/31/2011 11:18:38 PM

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"And Lowe beat K's ass twice with shittier teams I guess we should hire him back? What a dumb fucking argument. "

Haha wow at this post.

Gregg beats Grant for the NIT title easily with far less talent but Grant's the better coach.

Lol goodnight guys.

3/31/2011 11:19:04 PM

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"Gregg beats Grant for the NIT title easily with far less talent but Grant's the better coach. "

That's one game, dogg

Body of motherfucking work

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:20 PM. Reason : Your tunnel vision is infuriating]

3/31/2011 11:19:53 PM

So who's heading to campus to greet Donovan?

3/31/2011 11:20:29 PM

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"Running set plays almost exclusively"

What's wrong with this? I love well executed set plays. It means they were coached. Sid's were a mess when he tried to run them.

3/31/2011 11:21:20 PM

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"Hire Marshall and in four to five years we're all going to be bitching about not making deep runs, just like with Herb. Hire Smart and he might fall flat, but he's at least shown the ability to do something worth a damn."

Who gives a fuck if he proves that he can do something worth a damn if he can't do it HERE?

The way I look at it, realistically the best we can get out of Marshall or Shaka in the next 5 years is 10-ish wins and maybe a S16 run. You are dreaming if you think just because Shaka made a F4 once, with a different team means he has any hope of doing it here.

3/31/2011 11:21:22 PM

I say we pit our top 3 candidates against one another in a cage-fight to the death

This way, we get to truly see who wants it more

3/31/2011 11:21:50 PM

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"The way I look at it, realistically the best we can get out of Marshall or Shaka in the next 5 years is 10-ish wins and maybe a S16 run."

This is depressing. If it were true, Yow should just shut down the program.

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"You are dreaming if you think just because Shaka made a F4 once, with a different team means he has any hope of doing it here."

haha what the fuck is this

YOU'RE DREAMING IF YOU THINK MARSHALL CAN WIN 10+ GAMES HERE BECAUSE HE DID IT AT WICHITA STATE LOLOLOL

3/31/2011 11:22:20 PM

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"The way I look at it, realistically the best we can get out of Marshall or Shaka in the next 5 years is 10-ish wins and maybe a S16 run. You are dreaming if you think just because Shaka made a F4 once, with a different team means he has any hope of doing it here."

So just so we're clear. You think our ceiling is a Sweet 16. So to reach that ceiling you want to hire a coach that has never reached it before instead of the guy in the Final Four.

3/31/2011 11:23:10 PM

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"I say we pit our top 3 candidates against one another in a cage-fight to the death"

What if none of them want to enter the cage?

3/31/2011 11:23:18 PM

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"What's wrong with this? I love well executed set plays. It means they were coached. Sid's were a mess when he tried to run them."

3 on 1 break stopped in order to run a set play. Sound familiar? our last two coaches loved to do that shit and SO DOES MARSHALL.

3/31/2011 11:23:23 PM

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"haha what the fuck is this YOU'RE DREAMING IF YOU THINK MARSHALL CAN WIN 10+ GAMES HERE BECAUSE HE DID IT AT WICHITA STATE LOLOLOL"

Marshall looks like he could at least do as well as Herb, so yeah, I think he could. Shaka couldn't do better than 4th and 5th in his conference but hey, a F4 run means he's gonna run shit in the ACC!!!

3/31/2011 11:24:07 PM

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"What's wrong with this? I love well executed set plays. It means they were coached. Sid's were a mess when he tried to run them. "

because the same players will run marshalls set plays so much better.

pretty much everyone who watched our games said sid had great offensive sets, but the execution by the players was not good.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason : BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE GOT DONOVAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!100]

3/31/2011 11:24:19 PM

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"What if none of them want to enter the cage?"

Then we tell them "thank you for your limited interest" and we'll be moving on

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:27 PM. Reason : N]

3/31/2011 11:24:41 PM

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"Sid's were a mess when he tried to run them"

actually, sid did a pretty good job with set plays for the most part. what hurt us was our defense and immaturity.

3/31/2011 11:25:25 PM

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"So just so we're clear. You think our ceiling is a Sweet 16. So to reach that ceiling you want to hire a coach that has never reached it before instead of the guy in the Final Four."

In the near-term, yeah S16 is probably our ceiling. And yeah Shaka's done it once, but can he do it again? I doubt it.

3/31/2011 11:25:43 PM

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"sid had great offensive sets, but the execution by the players was not good"

Does not compute. If the sets are good, the players can run them. You don't make up plays that none of your guys can execute well. This is where coaching is important. Knowing your team and knowing how to use them correctly.

3/31/2011 11:26:42 PM

Honestly, why do you think Shaka will automatically have worse results with different players at State (NCAA run aside) and Marshall will automatically have better results with different players? Granted a lot of the NCAA success is from extremely hot 3 shooting, but Shaka will have a recruiting edge on name recognition alone and his potential is so much higher it's absurd

3/31/2011 11:26:45 PM

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"And yeah Shaka's done it once, but can he do it again? I doubt it."

You're right. I doubt he'll ever be able to reach a sweet 16 ever again. Let's hire the guy who doesn't get past the first round.

I'm convinced.

3/31/2011 11:28:33 PM