I agree Shaka would recruit better. But as we've seen, recruits don't always translate to wins. The thing that makes me have more faith in Marshall is that he's been coaching much longer and has been consistent. Shaka's had a miracle run and that's it.

3/31/2011 11:28:55 PM

I'm going to make this easy to digest, xisnenez, because you have throughly shown yourself to be a fucking moron over the course of this thread

Follow along

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"Marshall looks like he could at least do as well as Herb, so yeah, I think he could."

He's had 13 years to do that. He hasn't. I think that's an exhaustive exhibition of his mediocrity.

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"Shaka couldn't do better than 4th and 5th in his conference "

I'm not a fan of Shaka's CAA finishes, but whatever, it was good enough to get to the dance. It doesn't matter if you or me or Jay Bilas doesn't think VCU shouldn't have been invited. The selection committee liked them, and that's what counts.

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"but hey, a F4 run means he's gonna run shit in the ACC!!!"

You pulled this straight out of boozie's playbook. His tourney run doesn't mean he will do anything at a major program. But it shows that he can. Marshall hasn't shown he can do anything notable.

I've repeated these points in like five posts now, but I'm hoping this time you'll actually read them, understand them, and not try to completely ignore them in your pursuit to make a total ass of yourself.

3/31/2011 11:29:15 PM

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"You're right. I doubt he'll ever be able to reach a sweet 16 ever again. Let's hire the guy who doesn't get past the first round."

So why didn't we hire the George Mason guy when we had the chance???

3/31/2011 11:30:01 PM

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"I'm going to make this easy to digest, xisnenez, because you have throughly shown yourself to be a fucking moron over the course of this thread"

A master debater. Everyone who doesn't agree with the guy who hated Shaka's guts up until the final minutes of the elite 8 is a fucking idiot. Well played.

3/31/2011 11:30:48 PM

What the holy fuck are you even talking about

I want to punch you so bad

3/31/2011 11:30:53 PM

Nobody's arguing for every coach that has ever been to a final four

We're arguing against the guy who has been coaching for 13 years and never done anything in a tournament

excuse me, he did win the NIT which is better than a sweet 16

3/31/2011 11:31:14 PM

GT fired a coach that got them to the championship game for a coach that's only won 1 NCAA game in 8 seasons. Just saying.

3/31/2011 11:31:15 PM

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"Shaka will have a recruiting edge on name recognition alone and his potential is so much higher it's absurd"

This is why I'm high on Shaka. We're not going to get a proven big time coach and Gregg Marshall has already proven he's not a big time coach. I'd rather take the risk on Shaka.

3/31/2011 11:31:42 PM

Damn dude take it easy. It's a basketball coaching thread. On the internet. People have differences of opinions sometimes. It happens.

3/31/2011 11:31:49 PM

I don't care that our opinions differ. That's cool, actually.

But I'm not going to let you slide on wallowing in shit. Step up your ability to communicate a relevant point or go get your fucking shinebox.

3/31/2011 11:33:33 PM

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"I'd rather take the risk on Shaka."

I thought this hire was going to be a low-risk venture after the high-risk of the last hire.

3/31/2011 11:34:15 PM

lets hire paul hewitt. one time my freshman year he yelled "HEY FUCK YOU" at somebody in the student section behind the GT bench, while being held back by an assistant coach.

(he's no billy donovan though )

3/31/2011 11:34:38 PM

^^^ You're calling people "fucking morons". And I need to step up my skillz?

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ...]

3/31/2011 11:34:41 PM

What's a shinebox?

3/31/2011 11:34:52 PM

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"I thought this hire was going to be a low-risk venture after the high-risk of the last hire."

I don't remember Dr. Yow saying anything about low-risk. I did hear her say something about college coaching experience though. Perhaps that's what you're referring to.

3/31/2011 11:36:39 PM

Shaka is like playing strip poker with 1 super model and 3 dudes. A definite risk but possibly a pretty damn good reward.

Marshall is like playing strip poker with three little old ladies. At best you are gonna see some saggy T&A.

3/31/2011 11:37:54 PM

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"^^^ You're calling people "fucking morons". And I need to step up my skillz?"

You can ignore the derision if it bothers you. Underneath you'll find an air-tight argument, solid fucking gold.

You're all over the place. Just throwing shit against the wall. You're a baboon.

Maybe sit this page out, think about what you're actually trying to say, and come back on 102 with something less embarrassing.

3/31/2011 11:39:13 PM

Look, realistically we have two candidates. Marshall and Shaka. And honestly Shaka is looking like more and more of a longshot. It'll probably take $2+ million to get him and if he fails we could be in GT-style money troubles. So from that standpoint alone, BIG RISK.

Marshall has more experience and he's consistently improved programs. Shaka is "meh" during the regular season and well, he's having a hot run boosted by other-worldly 3 point shooting.

Marshall has been in the NCAAT a bunch and only won once. But consider the circumstances. Winthrop. Low major. 14 and lower seeds. Makes it hard to win. Look at his tournament record in context.

Overall I just think Marshall is the guy that could get us to 10-ish wins a season. Shaka might. That's why I think Marshall > Shaka.

Moot point probably. Like I said, everyone is presuming that we can get Shaka.

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"You're all over the place. Just throwing shit against the wall. You're a baboon."

You're defending a guy you say "fuck you" too. Not even sure why YOU'RE trying to argue anything if you can't stand the guy.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:40 PM. Reason : ...]

3/31/2011 11:39:34 PM

Damn, Ernie calling people out on page 101.

3/31/2011 11:39:53 PM

Not sure what makes Marshall any less of a risk than Smart. So he had a ton of years at Winthrop? That's low major. Smart has about as many years and more success at a midmajor and some high major assistant experience.

3/31/2011 11:40:38 PM

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"We're arguing against the guy who has been coaching for 13 years and never done anything in a tournament"

1951–1952 Presbyterian 21–7 4–2
1952–1953 Presbyterian 11–15 4–2
1953–1954 Presbyterian 17–8 4–2
1954–1955 Presbyterian 20–6 6–0
1956–1957 Citadel 11–14 5–9 7th
1957–1958 Citadel 16–11 9–6 4th
1958–1959 Citadel 15–5 7–4 3rd
1959–1960 Citadel 15–8 8–4 3rd
1960–1961 Florida 15–11 9–5 4th
1961–1962 Florida 12–11 8–6 4th
1962–1963 Florida 12–14 5–9 9th
1963–1964 Florida 12–10 6–8 9th
1964–1965 Florida 18–7 11–5 4th
1965–1966 Florida 16–10 9–7 5th

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:41 PM. Reason : dude never even made the tournament in 14 years, Why the FUCK did he get hired?]

3/31/2011 11:41:03 PM

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"if he fails we could be in GT-style money troubles"

No, not even close. This is absolutely impossible. Stop please.

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"Marshall has more experience and he's consistently improved programs."

Turgeon took WSU to the tourney. Marshall has not.

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" 14 and lower seeds. Makes it hard to win. Look at his tournament record in context."

Irrelevant. Herb did it with a 10-seed. Smart did even more with an 11-seed.

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"You're defending a guy you say "fuck you" too."

"Fuck Shaka" is not sincere. "Fuck xiznzee" could not possibly be more sincere.

You suck at comparisons.

3/31/2011 11:43:11 PM

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"Turgeon took WSU to the tourney. Marshall has not."

In year SIX not four.

3/31/2011 11:43:53 PM

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"Like I said, everyone is presuming that we can get Shaka."

I don't know why anyone would think we can't get him. Does everybody think all these mid major coaches are gonna start pulling a Brad Stevens? VCU is in fucking Richmond, and Shaka is from Wisconsin. Do you really think he's gonna be all like "you know, I really like Virginia"? I don't for a second.

3/31/2011 11:44:14 PM

So because Sloan did it in a completely different era, with 6 years at a high major, and then went on to win a national championship and coach some of the best teams the ACC has ever seen Marshall, who has never sniffed a high major job will do the same thing.

3/31/2011 11:44:25 PM

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"Irrelevant. Herb did it with a 10-seed. Smart did even more with an 11-seed."

DURRR, 10/11 > 14/15/16 and MUCH EASIER TO WIN WITH. History DOES NOT LIE on this point. FAIL.

3/31/2011 11:44:27 PM

yes, lets compare from a completely different era. (BEFORE AT LARGE TEAMS)

3/31/2011 11:44:49 PM

Everett Case, Jim Valvano, Norm Sloan had all of 2 NCAAT appearances and 1 NCAAT win.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ^Lol it's the same for Marshall in a one-bid league there idiot]

3/31/2011 11:45:30 PM

3/31/2011 11:46:14 PM

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"I don't know why anyone would think we can't get him. Does everybody think all these mid major coaches are gonna start pulling a Brad Stevens? VCU is in fucking Richmond, and Shaka is from Wisconsin. Do you really think he's gonna be all like "you know, I really like Virginia"? I don't for a second."

Depends if he thinks he'll have more success getting to the dance at VCU vs. State. Recent history suggests he'd have a tougher time here. Plus, the pressure to win goes up exponentially.

3/31/2011 11:47:22 PM

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"DURRR, 10/11 > 14/15/16 and MUCH EASIER TO WIN WITH. History DOES NOT LIE on this point. FAIL."

Winthrop was an 11-seed his last year at Winthrop, still no sweet 16.

And 10/11 seeds have higher winning percentages than 14-16 seeds because they are better teams, not because of some inherit magic in seed numbers. So, again, something else you suck at. It's Marshall's own fault it took him 9 years to climb to an 11-seed.

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"In year SIX not four."

I don't know what this even supposed to mean. I'm not comparing Turgeon and Marshall. I'm responding to the claim that Marshall has improved WSU, which was one year removed from a tourney appearance when he took the job.


[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2011 11:48:10 PM

Sloan would have had to beat out Kentucky and Rupp. Arguably the greatest program of all time and arguably the greatest coach of all time. Marshall can't beat out who exactly?

3/31/2011 11:48:23 PM

xienze,

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"Maybe sit this page out, think about what you're actually trying to say, and come back on 102 with something less embarrassing."

3/31/2011 11:49:07 PM

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"^Lol it's the same for Marshall in a one-bid league there idiot "

YEP IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME

3/31/2011 11:49:10 PM

Marshall = Sloan now, interesting

3/31/2011 11:49:12 PM

If McKillop (a good coach in his own right) could find a player like Curry and go to the Elite 8 at a low major, why couldn't Marshall at his low major?

3/31/2011 11:50:48 PM

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"If McKillop (a good coach in his own right) could find a player like Curry and go to the Elite 8 at a low major, why couldn't Marshall at his low major?"

Oh so that's the secret, you just have to find one of those once-in-a-generation kids that can hit 3's from anywhere on the floor. If you don't snag one you suck at recruiting.

3/31/2011 11:52:12 PM

You seriously should have followed my advice.

3/31/2011 11:52:45 PM

I really don't care what you guys think about me . You're just as lame as me to continue arguing if I'm such an idiot.

3/31/2011 11:53:23 PM

yow isn't going to hire someone based on numbers and their past alone. we can argue all we want, but ultimately this isn't our decision to make.

you should all figure out how to spend your time until some real information comes out

3/31/2011 11:53:47 PM

We're trying to better you as a human being. I would hate to encounter someone displaying this level of ineptitude in real life. If I can do something to improve that, it's worth my effort.

3/31/2011 11:54:17 PM

I want you to go look at the recruiting ratings for Wichita State players the past few years and compare them to the other MVC teams. I bet you'll find teams like Drake are kicking Marshall's ass. Then, report back to us....on page 102.

3/31/2011 11:54:19 PM

Idiot

3/31/2011 11:54:25 PM

so are we really down to Shaka and Marshall as our only options?

3/31/2011 11:55:15 PM

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"We're trying to better you as human being. I would hate to encounter someone displaying this level of ineptitude in real life. If I can do something to improve that, it's worth my effort."

I'm very successful IRL. I just play a troll on the internet. I assume you do nothing less than run a Fortune 500 company with your stunning brilliance.

3/31/2011 11:55:40 PM

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"I just play a troll on the internet."

This is the worst cop-out ever.

We know you're fucking incompetent. Just own that shit, man.

3/31/2011 11:56:48 PM

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"Oh so that's the secret, you just have to find one of those once-in-a-generation kids that can hit 3's from anywhere on the floor. If you don't snag one you suck at recruiting."

Why couldn't Marshall beat out McKillop and Davidson for him?

3/31/2011 11:57:00 PM

lol

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"DickieV Dick Vitale Okay the one guy that would not be intimidated in facing coach K & Roy Williams is The GENERAL Robert Knight. The ACC needs a big name!"

3/31/2011 11:58:29 PM

Yes, I'm incompetent because of my opinion on one coach versus another. Both coaches have pluses and minuses. You and I disagree on some of the circumstances surrounding Marshall. THAT'S IT. I put my point out there and you attacked me. Call it a weak argument all you want but at the end of the day:

Marshall will be our coach.

So you might as well quit following the Wolfpack.

3/31/2011 11:58:36 PM

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"I'm very successful IRL."

3/31/2011 11:58:43 PM