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That's an awesome gun!

On a different note I am now registered at Personal Defense to use the range
Since I am looking at buying a .357 in the near future I rented the S&W they have and thought it was pretty sweet. I had some pretty sweet groups at mid range with it and only had bad groups when I went all DA rapid fire with it

[Edited on March 18, 2011 at 3:17 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2011 3:16:35 PM

I'm trying to decide between a Glock 17 or 19 and an XDm 4.5." I was just going to get the 19, since it fits my small hands very well, but I've heard good things about the XDm and can get it for nearly the same as the GSSF Glock price. I don't really want to waste money renting them to try them out, so could use hearing from people that have owned/shot them.

3/18/2011 5:14:57 PM

get the glock.
No questions about that, at all.

3/18/2011 6:27:29 PM

^^ It is my opinion that if you could only have one gun a Glock 19 is the one to have. 15+1 rounds of 9mm in a pistol that will go bang every time you pull the trigger and is small enough to conceal yet does not feel small is a great combination. If I had to make that decision again I would buy another Glock 19 without a single doubt.

3/18/2011 6:36:37 PM

Glock is a great bang for you buck.... Pardon the pun. You can't go wrong with either. First pistol I ever shot was an XD9. I loved it and thought it was a great gun. However, 6 months later after firing the XD9 I picked up a my first pistol, which happens to be a Glock. I love my Glock and have no intention of ever selling it, ever. YMMV

Gun rental should be "cheap". Maybe $5 or $10 each? You won't go wrong with either imo, however, if it were my money, I'd want to spend that extra $20 to make sure I'm getting exactly what I want.

[Edited on March 18, 2011 at 7:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2011 7:36:48 PM

You really should try both guns out before you buy. Some people can't hit crap with a glock. The xdm has a better trigger, grip shape, and grip angle IMO.

As far as the best gun if you had only one and it was the end of the world...I wouldn't argue with the glock 19. In fact that's probably what I would get and I'd learn to use it's crappy trigger. But, it won't be the end of the world for a few months so pick whichever feels good or shoots better for you.

3/18/2011 9:16:56 PM

The G19 and the XDm9 are both good guns. Get whichever one feels best to you and you feel like you will want to practice with. Whichever you decide to get, you will not be disappointed. The only difference between the two in terms of functionality is that the XD's barrel will have less trouble with leading should you choose to shoot cast lead bullets. They will shoot fine in the Glock, but cleaning up will be more work.

3/18/2011 9:17:09 PM

One more thing. If you're weak don't get the glock. I don't care what anyone says. A glock is the only gun I can regularly induce a jam in by limp wristing it. I've personally witnessed two normal sized male gun n00bs and one experienced (but not with glocks) female shooter have jams with 3 different glocks that functioned fine with other shooters.

Now that I think about it, I've seen one limp wrist jam in an xd, but it was one of the old models.
Hmm...maybe the take home message should just be to learn and shoot whatever gun you buy

[Edited on March 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM. Reason : Xd jam]

3/18/2011 9:25:00 PM

Quote :

"A glock is the only gun I can regularly induce a jam in by limp wristing it."

Limp wristing is improper gun etiquette. You shouldn't be limpwristing. Hold the firearm firm and problem solved.

[Edited on March 18, 2011 at 9:30 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2011 9:29:38 PM

So I'm looking at a few .22lr rifles and I'd like to hear/read what you guys have to say in regards to a few of the rifles I'm considering... Purpose is 95% shooting range/sport shooting. However, I'd like to leave the possibility of using it for hunting as well in the future (small game). I think the Henry is a really slick/cool rifle, but it's a little bit more than I want to spend on a .22lr rifle. I'd like to stay below $200.

Henry US Survival -


OTDP: $278.00
CAPACITY: 8+1
ACTION: Semi-Automatic
WEIGHT: 2.5 lbs
STOCK: Black Synthetic
BARREL LENGTH: 16.5"
OVERALL LENGTH: 35"

Marlin 795 -


OTDP: $170.00
CAPACITY: 10+1
ACTION: Semi-Automatic
WEIGHT: 5 lbs
STOCK: Black Fiberglass Synthetic
BARREL LENGTH: 18"
OVERALL LENGTH: 37"

Marlin 60SN -


MSRP: $180.00
CAPACITY: 14+1
ACTION: Semi-Automatic
WEIGHT: 5 lbs
STOCK: Blk Syn Stock, W/Molded In Checkering
BARREL LENGTH: 19"
OVERALL LENGTH: 37.5"

[Edited on March 19, 2011 at 3:39 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2011 3:19:56 AM

Either of the Marlins will be a good choice for what you've described. I happen to prefer their tube-fed designs because they hold the same or more rounds and don't have the mag sticking out. If you want to buy extra mags and have that quick-change ability, it may be worth the ergonomic and visual sacrifice, but I've never felt that way.

The survival rifle is a cool gun, but in my experience it just doesn't feel like something I'd go shoot a lot for fun. It's very utilitarian.

3/19/2011 7:19:05 AM

Marlin 795 has a $25 Man. MIR. $135 OTD. Very tempting... I don't believe I can get a better price than that and be backed by a lifetime warranty that GoG offer... I'll think about it tonight and decide tomorrow.

3/19/2011 10:12:18 PM

I really like my Marlin.

3/19/2011 10:42:19 PM

the 795 has a reputation of being a very good gun...that's what I would go with, although I will have a henry survival rifle at some point

3/19/2011 11:56:21 PM

Well, technically it's "tomorrow" from when I posted, so I've gone ahead and bought one.

3/20/2011 12:23:35 AM

Quote :

"Limp wristing is improper gun etiquette. You shouldn't be limpwristing. Hold the firearm firm and problem solved."

Some people really do have problems with Glocks. If it's a weak shooter or one who isn't going to practice at all then I won't recommend a Glock.

Quote :

"Marlin 795 has a $25 Man. MIR. $135 OTD. Very tempting... I don't believe I can get a better price than that and be backed by a lifetime warranty that GoG offer... I'll think about it tonight and decide tomorrow."

That's reallly hard to say no to, especially after seeing the accuracy reports.
And I don't like tube mags on semis. Do they make a short 5rnd mag for the 795? That would be neat.

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 1:02 AM. Reason : ]

3/20/2011 12:48:05 AM

Quote :

"Do they make a short 5rnd mag for the 795? That would be neat. "

They have a 7rnd, 10rnd, and aftermarket 25rnd. I've read various reports on feeding reliability though on the aftermarket mag though.

3/20/2011 3:44:36 AM

My bar got robbed a couple nights ago (noone was there, apparently they hid in the building and waited till everyone left after closing), and it spiked my paranoia. Been bartending for years and always had that nagging bother that I'd get jumped on my way out as it's pretty common knowledge that any given bartender is likely to have at least a couple hundred in cash on him (if not way more if they've been lazy about going to the bank).

I'm not a small guy, I don't often get challenged and when it happens I've never had a problem handling it, but I still fear that one day someone might bring more than fists and desperation to the fight. My understanding is that in NC it's illegal for anyone other than an on-duty person of the law to carry a firearm into a bar, but I've heard rumors of loopholes for staff protection...not sure if this is for convenience stores and I'm confusing them, but I'd be interested to know if there's a way to keep a CCW somewhere accessible while on the job.

I'm not so much worried about my particular bar, it's a laid back spot in a relatively safe area, but it got me thinkin anyway...

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 5:07 AM. Reason : sadf]

3/20/2011 5:03:16 AM

DC that's very sad to hear that. I'm glad someone wasn't there and got hurt. Did the thief break a window on their way out or something? I figured you guy's did rounds to make sure no one was hiding in the restroom or whatnot before locking up and leaving...

AFAIK, what you said is true in regards to only on-duty persons can legally carry a firearm into a bar.

Pocket knives go a long way... Just saying Unless I've missed it, there's also nothing wrong with carrying a large fixed knife (ie: 6" Ka-Bar) as long as it's properly sheathed and not convered by your shirt or coat at all. Must be 100% visible.

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 5:20 AM. Reason : ..]

3/20/2011 5:12:40 AM

yeah i always have a knife on me...i really would just love to scare the shit out of someone, doubt i'd ever actually need to use a firearm in that scenario

but yeah this was creeepy...we think (evidence strongly suggests) that at some point during the night (slammed for st. patty's, pretty easy to go unnoticed) they went into one of the bathrooms and crawled up on the toilet and towel dispenser to actually move the ceiling tile and climb up into the ceiling to wait till close. there was no forced entry and all the doors were locked in the AM, there was a fat footprint on the lid of the toilet and the towel dispenser had been jacked up, as well as obvious evidence that the ceiling tile had been moved around. And our doors, even when locked, can be opened from the inside. Doubt that'll last much longer.

all in all they really didn't get away with too much, the bar is out 3 flatscreens, a couple old computers, a (really) small bit of cash, some liquor and some games they smashed up...but left a LOT of stuff. The most fucked up thing though is they took all the cash out of the St. Baldrick's donation jar. Now that's just messed up.

3/20/2011 5:22:02 AM

According to NCGS 14-269.3, if you qualify as "The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment" you are exempted from the prohibition on carrying a weapon into a facility that serves alcohol.

3/20/2011 7:30:01 AM

^x6

The Marlin 795 is hard to beat IMO. There is no other gun under $300-$400 that will provide that accuracy or better. Mine did well under 1/2" groups at 50yrds. See a few pages back for some info and links I provided NRR about the gun.

3/20/2011 11:23:08 AM

Love my 795. Much more accurate than my 10/22

3/20/2011 12:48:57 PM

Alright, so now I have Said Rossi Ranch hand short winchester...I need a holster, nobody makes one cept a couple crappy repros of the one from wanted dead or alive. Anybody do some leather work?

3/20/2011 6:29:44 PM

http://www.leathermystics.com

lol

Don't see anybody making these, you might have to get a total custom job on it

3/20/2011 6:52:46 PM

Looking for some advice on a first-time rifle purchase-

After a good bit of reading, I've decided to pick up an ar15 for range use, and perhaps 3gun practical shooting at some point down the road.

I have a few local friends that have done their own ar15 builds from stripped lowers, and they are trying to convince me to do the same. Having done a great deal of reading about the unbelievable number of options for the various parts/options, I'm compelled to just start with a mid-priced complete rifle, and modify as my tastes/preference develop using it, using friends rifles, or whatever I can get my hands on at the range. I went the same route when picking up my glock17, and ~4k rounds later I couldn't be happier, and haven't swapped an OEM part out yet.

The rifle I'm leaning towards is the stag model 2, likely running iron sights for the first few weeks before adding a mid-priced 1-4x scope. Any strong opinions for or against this rifle, or does anyone have an opinion of a similar setup I should consider? I'll need something that's CA-legal, so keep that in mind.

Thanks!

3/21/2011 5:20:56 AM

I can't help with CA legality, but as for build/buy, I say buy it already put together unless you have very specific things you want on there, or you just want the experience. Building an entry-level AR from components is not much cheaper than buying an entry-level rifle off the shelf.The only financial reason to build is so that you don't end up swapping a bunch of stuff as soon as you get it out of the box.

3/21/2011 9:52:35 AM

Quote :

"I'm compelled to just start with a mid-priced complete rifle, and modify as my tastes/preference develop using it"

I say you find the complete one you want, then price out a parts kit that will give you the equivalent rifle.
If it's cheaper to go the parts route then do that. Putting together an AR from a complete upper parts kit is no harder than breaking down a rifle for a good cleaning.
I think the experience you gain from putting it together helps you better understand how the rifle works, how to maintain it, and understand the differences between all the various optional parts.
When I put my rifle together it cost me about $75-100 less than buying the equivalent complete rifle.

I'm a do it yourselfer (and poor) who's done some minor gunsmithing on other guns, so take that for what it's worth.

Sucks for you being in CA

3/21/2011 11:08:07 AM

Since people were talking about the Marlin 795 a few posts up, just thought I would mention that Gander Mountain has them on sale if you live near one. Well, at least the GMs around here (live in KS). I would think its for every store, but not sure. Their add in the sunday paper had the 795 on sale for $99.95 after a $25 manufacturer's mail-in rebate.

3/21/2011 2:57:17 PM

Mine should arrive and be ready for pick up Thursday. Roughly $108 for the gun after rebate and another $25 for fees/taxes... Not bad. I'm excited. Giddy even.

As for Gander Mountain, I hadn't heard of them until now... In case anyone is curious, here are the locations... :

Fayetteville Store
1912 Skibo Road
Fayetteville, NC 28303
(910) 487-4036


Greensboro Store
2223 Vanstory Street
Greensboro, NC 27403
(336) 852-4224


Mooresville Store
236 Norman Station Blvd
Mooresville, NC 28117
(704) 658-0822




[Edited on March 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2011 6:57:22 PM

Gander Mountain is pretty sweet because they're the only retail place around that actually carries a pretty respectable supply of reloading stuff. Much better than Bass Pro.

3/22/2011 10:00:20 AM

i disagree. the prices suck really bad and the last time i went to GM in Greensboro they were selling off all the reloading stuff. looked like they were gonna stop selling it.

3/22/2011 1:09:19 PM

MaximaDrvr, skywalkr, shmorri2, Fumbler, and FenderFreek: Thanks for the advice. I may go rent them, but I had my heart set on the G19 and was only considering the XDm because of the price. I've handled (although not shot) the G19 at a gun show, and it felt perfect. I'm sure I might kick myself if I don't try renting it and end up disliking it, but I'm lazy. For the GSSF price, I could probably sell it at a pretty small loss if it came to that.

Besides, I gotta save my $ for ammo. I've wanted a pistol for a long time, but it wasn't as pressing an issue when I lived in Cary. It was so quiet there. In Raleigh, I hear sirens all the time and always see cars pulled over in parking lots at night. The other day, there were some idiots setting off fireworks in front of my place at 3am (not for a holiday either--just because they were drunk).

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 9:37 PM. Reason : oops]

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 9:37 PM. Reason : ;]

3/22/2011 9:35:42 PM

^If the 19 felt good, then go with that one. However, I urge you (like others) to actually try both at the range before you buy. My Ruger SR9 (first gun) was the gun that "felt perfect". I hated how other guns felt compared to my SR9, so thats what I bought. Now its still a good gun dont get me wrong, but I shoot my HK USP much much better (disregarding the fact that the HK is double the price).

The 19 may feel better, but you may *shoot* the XDM better. You never know. Range rental is cheap, helps make a decision for you. Plus, you will end up spending the $30-$40 at the range anyway, only it will be on ammo for your own gun. Put the wear and tear on their gun fwiw.

3/22/2011 11:38:48 PM

Just picked up the 795. Can't wait to go shoot it! The people in Pawn & Gifts Inc. in Garner were extremely nice. What a small world it is because the lady there grew up in the same subdivision I live in... They are awesome people and I'll definitely be going back to them in the future. I suppose I should get a shotgun to complete the 3 essentials... I've got a .40 subcompact pistol and now a .22lr rifle.

3/24/2011 3:53:23 PM

Quote :

"i disagree. the prices suck really bad and the last time i went to GM in Greensboro they were selling off all the reloading stuff. looked like they were gonna stop selling it."

That sucks. It has been a little over a year since I was in there, but they were only slightly overpriced for powder and certain bullets. After hazmat and shipping, mail-order powder wasn't a whole lot cheaper, only primers were a truly bad deal there, imo. I've been to several other locations while traveling and those were all as good or better as far as selection.

3/25/2011 7:08:08 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/9358621/

3/30/2011 7:14:27 PM

is it expected to pass in the senate?

3/30/2011 7:22:51 PM

^^awesome news

I wonder how that castle doctrine bill is going too.

3/31/2011 12:41:14 AM

how long til I can bring my pistol into a restaurant when I don't plan on drinking?

haha I always hate worrying about it if I'm going to a place like moes

3/31/2011 5:21:37 PM

Some of those comments make me

3/31/2011 8:59:35 PM

finally got ahold of some Red Devil slide lube from Rock n Roll

supposed to be the bee's knees

ill try to report back after ive put a few hundred down range

3/31/2011 9:00:37 PM

our representatives have received quite a few emails from me regarding these bills.

There are 4 in particular who probably have me in their spam filter now.

3/31/2011 9:01:56 PM

any one shooting the gun fighter league (multi gun) @ range 37 tomorrow? only shot this one once, it was a good shoot. There did seem to be a higher number of mall ninjas as compared to other matches i've been to.

also a IDPA match in Clinton http://www.csl-idpa.com/ - this is always a good match

if thats not your thing there is a USPSA match @ the range in oxford. - never shot this one

4/1/2011 9:50:26 PM

Brandon1, the Gemtech rimfire cans are user serviceable and most are a bit lighter than the Thompson Machines.
The Thompson Machines are really cheap though.

What kind of guns would you put it on?
At first I thought I wanted one for my 223, but I think I'd get a lot more use out of one with my 22/45 and 10/22.

4/4/2011 12:14:30 PM

So then... tell me about suppressors?

4/4/2011 3:07:32 PM

^^I thought Gemtech didnt have a dissasemble-able suppressor? I could very well be wrong (most of the time I am ). Yeah, my biggest thing is that I'm looking for something that I can mount on a .22LR and my .22 Mag, yet still stay under/around $350 or so. Personal Safety in Raleigh did have an AAC for $350 that was nice, but not multi caliber capable.

Yeah, I thought about buying a .223 suppressor and then using .22LR through it. However, many things I have read say that .223 through a suppressor is still quite loud, and the silencers themselves are quite a bit heavier and more expensive. I'll be putting my normal 22/45 RP up for sale soon, in hopes of nabbing a 22/45 Threaded model. I'm gonna put the can on that, and the AR with my .22LR kit. Probably thread the 10/22 or mag one day...

4/4/2011 4:38:46 PM

Quote :

"any one shooting the gun fighter league (multi gun) @ range 37 tomorrow? only shot this one once, it was a good shoot. There did seem to be a higher number of mall ninjas as compared to other matches i've been to. "

Many of these folks aren't mall ninjas; 37PSR is a recreational facility for a lot of dudes that shoot on Range 37 Actual.

4/4/2011 7:09:49 PM

^ and it's easy to spot the difference. that being said... there are more mall ninjas than most other matches.

however, the other matches i've been to have been more about gaming & speed vs being truly tactically based.

but they are all fun

4/4/2011 10:12:45 PM

I have the opportunity to pick up a Savage Mk II-BV in .22LR for $320. It is in great shape, shot very little. what would you expect to pay for one of these? I'll be going to shoot it this weekend probably, will post back

I'm hesitant to drop the money on this, as I already have plans for my tax refund to go towards a XD9c, G26, M&P9c or something similar that I will eventually CC

4/7/2011 1:30:34 PM