Quote :

"I'm not trolling. We don't project as a very good team right now. Are you guys watching the games? We don't look very good either so the numbers are backing up the appearances. Do we really have to go through this EVERY YEAR? Every January people start talking about how amazing we are after we beat our crappy January opponents. Completely ignoring all the problems that will expose us against better competition. This year is a little different in the fact that we are actually a pretty good team relative to years past, but our expectations are loftier than ever. And based on what we've seen thus far, they are just as unjustified as ever too. "

1/4/2013

Quote :

"Told you guys. We aren't very good unfortunately. Hopefully we improve drastically. We aren't a top 30 team, the rankings are meaningless. Yeah we avoided a terrible loss, but there are going to be several losses ahead unfortunately. Looking more like an 11-7 team every day. Sticking with my 12-6 though. We simply shouldn't be this bad. "

1/5/2013

Quote :

"Bad news guys. We've slipped all the way to #38. We're officially a bubble team again."

1/6/2013

Quote :

"LOL we are in no way a lock [to make the tournament] with the way we are playing right now."

1/8/2013

Quote :

" Pretty sure you're just trolling synapse, but that article is using what we call "rationalization". They are trying to rationalize our atrocious defense by saying it's okay because we're getting dunks every play because we are cherry picking and playing 5 on 4 on defense. It simply isn't true. Our "pace" is only 90th in the country. This isn't Rick Pitino's Kentucky Wildcats in a full court press. This isn't Roy Williams delayed fast break. We are simply horrible defensively. Getting toasted on the ball, missing rotations, missing box outs, not corralling loose balls, and not forcing any turnovers is POOR defense. And even if we WERE fast breaking every play it would still not be optimal strategy to let the other team score every possession given that we are a great halfcourt offense as well."

1/11/2013

Quote :

"Okay, Ill admit that sometimes i make a one off hyperbolic type statement but the point of my post should be very clear. We SQUEAKED by another awful team. It's pretty clear that we aren't a very good team right now. I try to provide some humor and illustrative statements in my posts because a lot of people don't like dry data filled posts. People have been skewering me all season for saying we have major problems on the defensive end and that at the moment we aren't a very good team. That's just objective analysis that anyone who doesn't have blinders on can see. My "I told you so" attitude is directly attributed to the fact that I hate when people argue with me when I'm right. I guess I figure if I point out how often I am correct after the fact, people will be less prone to argue with me in the future and just conclude that when I post, I almost always know what I'm talking about. I'm just not the kind of person who ever talks about stuff I don't know about. You won't see me making comments in tech talk, the garage, etc. There I will ask questions, because I recognize that other people are the experts and that I am the buffoon. In matters pertaining to sports, girls, finance it's the other way around and I don't appreciate bums questioning my expertise. If that's a character flaw or something, fine. I have it."

Now that being said. Hopefully we pull off this comeback against this shitty, shitty Wake Forest team because we need this one.

1/22/2013 9:09:12 PM

tl;dr

1/22/2013 9:09:51 PM

Tree you spend your entire life watching sports and still manage to know almost less than anyone on this board. How is that possible?

1/22/2013 9:16:56 PM

Here let me spell this out for you simpletons.


TEAM

NOT

THAT

GOOD

1/22/2013 9:20:22 PM

cause lately i started keeping up with kenpom, it made me forget everything i knew and persuaded me to believe some wall street reject who got cut from his middle school team

1/22/2013 9:20:29 PM

Getting mad now is just being reactive. You should have braced yourself for all these losses when we realized we weren't that good a month ago.

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM. Reason : a]

1/22/2013 9:25:14 PM

fuck it. if we win saturday, then fuck it.

if we lose saturday, then fuck.

1/22/2013 9:26:50 PM

Does anyone else think running the 2-3 zone will help us on D? it seemed to make an impact during the maryland game.

1/22/2013 9:27:00 PM

If we keep this up we might only be a 7 or 8 seed in the NCAA tourney.

1/22/2013 9:29:29 PM

It's best if this team is not ranked, maybe that'll make them play harder.

1/22/2013 9:30:33 PM

^^ please tell me you are joking A 7 or 8 seed is most likely the ceiling for this team. We're a bubble team bro. It's a sad reality but it's reality.

An injury, cold streak, or buzzer beater breaks the wrong way and we're NIT bound.

1/22/2013 9:33:17 PM

The last few years we've matched up horribly with unc and our two games are two of five every year you can guarantee Roy actually tries to coach in.

Losing Saturday would be disastrous

1/22/2013 9:34:15 PM

get ready for the disaster, lol

1/22/2013 9:36:47 PM

Face, more like facepalm. Dudes an idiot

1/22/2013 9:38:15 PM

I know we often joke about sucking again on this message board, but we actually suck again.

1/22/2013 9:38:47 PM

we lost this game because we kept cj on the bench too long, right face?

1/22/2013 9:39:37 PM

^^^ except i was right about everything and everyone else was wrong about everything, again.

^ well, it clearly was a mistake to leave CJ Leslie on the bench so long. It could be the reason we lost the game, since he was able to score pretty easily against Wake. It definitely wasn't good strategy that much we can all agree on.



Good news guys, we'll be about ~3.5-4 point favorites against UNC this weekend. That should put us somewhere around 60% (-150 or so) to win the game.

It's not what you want to hear since this is one of UNC's bottom 5 teams or so of the past 50 years and this was supposed to be our best team since the 1970's, but it could be worse...

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM. Reason : a]

1/22/2013 9:41:18 PM

5 laftabucks says we are an 8 seed or better

1/22/2013 9:43:23 PM

Quote :

"except i was right about everything and everyone else was wrong about everything, again."

haha i wish non premium members could have status names, and their status names could be like 50 characters

cause this sums up face's smug opinion about basically everything

1/22/2013 9:44:49 PM

Quote :

"well, it clearly was a mistake to leave CJ Leslie on the bench so long. It could be the reason we lost the game, since he was able to score pretty easily against Wake."

like right at the end, right?

1/22/2013 9:53:10 PM

^ yep, good example. That play at the end is why you don't leave him on the bench. We would have drawn a foul if we'd run that play earlier in the game. Saving an interior scorer for an end game situation is silly.

Always play your guys through foul trouble unless they are tired. How many times do we have to go over this. Gottfried needed to learn through these mistakes last year. this year was supposed to be our big boy year.

1/22/2013 10:00:43 PM

face and kenpom were right. ~30 is the right ranking for us


Didn't think one of our 6-7 conference losses would be wake fucking forest.

1/22/2013 10:01:33 PM

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_128_Men.html

1/22/2013 10:02:32 PM

It's okay we just need to beat UNC.

We're a miracle win vs BC and two Duke injuries from being 2-4 in the ACC right now. Thank god our situation isn't that precarious yet. We can still turn this season around, the team really is that talented.

Just because we're playing terribly (relative to our talent level) in December/January doesn't mean we can't play well in March. But it's becoming more and more of a pipe dream, and we've already crushed our hopes of a good seed.

At this point I'd like to shoot for a 6 or 7 seed. It's about as high as we can realistically hope to finish, and it would keep us on the opposite side of the #1 seed.

1/22/2013 10:06:23 PM

we wouldve lost to Duke if Seth Curry didn't miss the entire game

1/22/2013 10:09:20 PM

We're also a miracle win by md and Wake from being 6-0

1/22/2013 10:11:10 PM

^ Yes, but I'm trying to be positive here. There's no need to panic yet, this team can still make the NCAA tournament. That Duke win was pretty big for our resume.

1/22/2013 10:14:06 PM

sorry dog, but that Duke win was erased by the MD loss. the WF loss sealed it

1/22/2013 10:14:43 PM

We were winning the game while curry was in, don't know why people think we would have lost if he didn't miss the last 2 minutes.

1/22/2013 10:17:21 PM

I'm not sure what's being implied, but the WF loss didn't in ANY way drop us out of the NCAAT. I hope I'm interpreting that wrong... because if not, that statement is laughable.

Now with 3 or 4 more losses... maybe.

1/22/2013 10:18:28 PM

Well, since we are guaranteed to get 3 or 4 more losses, sounds like a realistic worry

1/22/2013 10:21:50 PM

curious that skokiaan wasn't posting while we were up 15 points

he was probably crying at that point, and then cheered up when Wake made their run

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ibt i wasnt at an internet enabled cellphone]

1/22/2013 10:23:24 PM

^^haha, exactly what I was thinking.

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2013 10:23:28 PM

No one is saying that if the tournament started today we wouldn't be in it.


We're saying if the tournament started in March, and we don't play better than we are currently playing, we may very well not be in it.


We're an experienced team. We're probably as good as we're going to get. Let's face it Warren isn't going to play better than he's currently playing. Lewis is a total lost cause for this season. The only one that can improve is Purvis and I think he's at about the level he's going to be at this season unfortunately.

Howell can't play better. Leslie and Zo can, but they have NBA pressures on them so I'm willing to bet we've seen their best too. Wood is at capacity basically.

Gottfried has his work cut out for him. Our offense doesn't need to be better. Our defense needs to be MUCH better. The answer to me is obvious. You gotta give minutes to WHAT ITS LIKE HAVING JABRONI ROBINSON.

He's our Obi Wan at this point. Only hope.

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM. Reason : a]

1/22/2013 10:26:17 PM

we should probably sit See Jello, LoBoCoDoFo, Dick Towelie, PackPridePurvis and HowMuch3sCouldAScottWoodChuck to start the UNC game and start 5 walkons instead of just showing love to Robinson

hell, some of our guys average 1 three pointer made per 3 minutes, so they should be 30 point scorers with more minutes

1/22/2013 10:28:56 PM

Robinson is the clear cut best option at this point in my opinion.

What's the definition of insanity again? Time to try something else before it's too late. Our season is really slipping away from us here. You laughed when I said that several weeks ago. But it's reality.

1/22/2013 10:30:25 PM

insanity is starting a walkon player over somebody who averaged 18 and 7 during the ACC and NCAA tourneys last year

and i'm going to continue to laugh at you until our season is over, which is months away

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 10:32 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2013 10:32:02 PM

where did i say anything about starting him?

I'd like to see the backup post minutes go to him when we're in foul trouble. We have plenty of offense, we need a guy who can make plays defensively and rebound. Muck it up.

When we get in foul trouble either bench Wood or Purvis for Warren so that we have a scorer out there and put Jabroni in the game to play defense.

1/22/2013 10:34:24 PM

me and you should probably get some minutes face, as walkons, i assume you still have eligibility like me

after all, definition of insanity and stuff, its time for a change

1/22/2013 10:36:50 PM

No, face is actually right IMO. What's the harm in giving Robinson 5 minutes a game? Everyone who watches him in practice says he's legitimately good, and the few times he's been on the court he makes plays and rebounds the ball. Could it really hurt to have a guy who plays hard and rebounds in the game for five minutes?

1/22/2013 10:45:33 PM

Quote :

"Everyone who watches him in practice says he's legitimately good,"

like who? you'd think gottfried would know

1/22/2013 10:46:20 PM

Tony Haynes, for one

1/22/2013 10:46:32 PM

Quote :

"Robinson is the clear cut best option at this point in my opinion. What's the definition of insanity again? Time to try something else before it's too late. Our season is really slipping away from us here. You laughed when I said that several weeks ago. But it's reality."

for the first time in my tww career. i actually agree with face.

1/22/2013 10:46:46 PM

I love Tony and Gary, but I trust Gott more than them on evaluating talent in practice

especially when you add Lutz, Early, etc to Gott

and theres clearly not a "we have to play this guy cause he's getting a big contract and the other guy isn't" aspect like there can be in pro sports

i don't put a lot of stock in Robinson thus far when all he's done is hustle for 1 minute per game versus scrubs in blowouts, and I have no idea why anyone else does

1/22/2013 10:48:26 PM

TT, I'm not disagreeing with you. Gott and company knows what's best ultimately. But I'm almost positive that Robinson would be more valuable than Vandy at this point .... It's almost impossible for him not to be. Maybe this loss forces the staff to give him some minutes. Probably not, but what could it hurt?


[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 10:54 PM. Reason : v]

1/22/2013 10:50:22 PM

i wish Robinson was a baller and I'd love to be proven wrong

but at the same time, Vandy gave quality minutes tonight, so who is to say Robinson would do better?

fact is, i think our limited depth can do work this year, but not when lots of starters are in foul trouble, which was obviously an issue tonight

i just know face loves to extrapolate a guy who averages 1 minute per game, 1 point per game and 1 rebound per game and say he's a 30/30 guy if he gets starter minutes, and if Robinson was THAT GOOD, he would be playing more than blowout time

1/22/2013 10:54:26 PM

that isn't necessarily true.

Robinson is a walk on. You don't know what our scholarship athletes have been promised in minute allocations or financial compensation.

There are plenty of reasons why Robinson MAY not be playing. I highly doubt that it's that he can't help the team out there. The guy looks like a legitimate player who more importantly is skilled in the departments that we severely lack.

We know that we can still score with 4 of our current players in there. We also know we can't defend or rebound with our current 5.

[Edited on January 22, 2013 at 11:11 PM. Reason : a]

1/22/2013 11:09:46 PM

i know you dont advocate subbing in robinson over warren, so vandenberg is clearly who he would be fighting for substitute minutes with

do you really think Vandenberg the Mandenberg is promised big benefits? let alone that Gott only recruited a handful of current players

if Robinson was legit, he'd get minutes that weren't in dumpster time, its that simple

1/22/2013 11:14:37 PM

Quote :

"well, it clearly was a mistake to leave CJ Leslie on the bench so long. It could be the reason we lost the game, since he was able to score pretty easily against Wake. It definitely wasn't good strategy that much we can all agree on. "

How can you say this? Did you even watch the game? Did you forget about the first half when Vandenburg played the final 12 minutes and we built a large lead? Just like everyone knew he would, as soon as Leslie came back in the game to start the second half he picked up a stupid foul (maybe even 2?). Not to mention the two retarded goal tends which he does every game, and absolute lack of free throw shooting ability. Then to top it off, he cost us a couple seconds at the end when instead of fouling he stood there and whined like a little bitch.

1/23/2013 8:01:34 AM

It definitely was a coaching error taking the red-hot Warren out for the ice-cold Wood all second half

1/23/2013 8:02:49 AM