^ I hate UNC

Thanks

4/17/2009 7:26:27 PM

So, students as representatives can't create a facebook group to talk about a recruit coming here, but a future student can convince a teammate to go somewhere. Silly rules.

4/17/2009 7:48:22 PM

this John Wall dude is not impressing me

first time I've seen him play (outside of mix tape videos). he's sloppy and can't shoot for shit

4/18/2009 8:11:42 PM

^His perimeter game is his weakness I believe. He is just incredibly good at getting to the basket/finishing inside.

4/18/2009 8:21:40 PM

packpride is in full talk shit mode. they are surprised he isnt playing like hes in the final four

4/18/2009 8:41:02 PM

dude from Findlay Prep (going to Texas I think) looks SO much better than Wall

Wall is not the second-coming like people make him out to be

let Duke have him

4/18/2009 8:43:21 PM

does Duke have him? i haven't followed the past few days

4/18/2009 8:49:18 PM

^^you're an idiot. this is your first time seeing him play and this isnt even a real game. just keep the stupid thoughts to yourself before you embarrass yourself.


no need to act like a little bitch just because it looks like wall isn't picking us

[Edited on April 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2009 8:50:28 PM

we don't need him

he'll just turn out to be another JJ Hickson

4/18/2009 9:47:51 PM

Wall is a freak... so quick with the ball. He ain't coming here though, if what he said about a coach that has a history of producing NBA PGs and a championship contender is true... we're just "lucky" his mom had some health problems or we'd be long gone from his list, realistically...

DeMarcus Cousins is dumb as a brick...

4/18/2009 9:58:06 PM

that was a hilariously bad interview with cousins. he seriously struggled to put together complete sentences. it was almost as painful as listening to ken griffey jr.

4/18/2009 10:00:18 PM

ncstatetke is clearly still bitter about losing Natyazhko to UofA. That and Archie Miller joining his brother there as well.

4/18/2009 10:00:19 PM

there's a thread for that

4/18/2009 10:01:55 PM

If Wall showed tonight that he actually sucks a lot, there's over a 99 percent chance that he's coming to State. He'll come here, play spectacular basketball 60 percent of the time, but commit too many boneheaded errors like our current crop of PG's, go pro after leading us to a first round NIT loss, and our fans will be jumping all over Lowe for not being able to win with another 1st round draft pick.


I've said since I first saw Ryan Harrow play that I'm more impressed with him than Wall with the exception of size and pure speed, but Harrow has a much better all around game. And the first time I posted that, people acted like I was insane. So fuck you...you all saw it tonight.

4/18/2009 11:54:35 PM

it's absolutely impossible to stop wall one on one or in the open court. he's just too quick/explosive.

I'm interested to see how he handles zone defenses though -- defenses that actually make you play patiently and intelligently. You can't beat those with athleticism alone.

4/19/2009 12:20:27 AM

^^ Get a grip. Just because we lost wall doesn't mean you have to invent a completely fictional reality to make yourself feel better. Man up and just accept the wall miss for what it is.

Harrow's marginally better shooting doesn't mean shit -- every HS player takes a hit once they get into college, and the ones without exceptional athleticism (harrow) get hit the worse. The ones like wall, though, end up leading their teams to the NCAA tourney and more (Look at the history of 1-year players in college -- their teams do quite well. Hickson was the exception, and if that's the extent of your basketball knowledge, I can see why you can so easily post that nonsense.)

The recruiting mania is causing people to lose perspective -- freshman by and large suck when they get into college. This is common wisdom. The few who don't suck are the ones who are projected to be NBA players.

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM. Reason : .]

4/19/2009 12:58:15 AM

I dunno, I thought he looked REAL impressive. Wall's a game-changer from day-one, wherever he goes.


(and Harrow is seriously athletic... just not as big (and as athletic) as JW... yet)

4/19/2009 1:27:50 AM

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"Look at the history of 1-year players in college -- their teams do quite well. Hickson was the exception"

wat

4/19/2009 1:30:50 AM

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"he'll just turn out to be another JJ Hickson"

This team needs a JJ Hickson for next year

4/19/2009 5:45:41 AM

OH NO

NOT A REALLY TALENTED FRESHMAN

blech

4/19/2009 8:12:41 AM

^^ I was referring to Hickson's impact on the team and the hole that it dug us

4/19/2009 9:46:35 AM

Oh yeah, Hickson was the best possible thing that could have happened for us. I mean, look at us now. Look at us then.

4/19/2009 10:56:50 AM

Yes, because J.J. Hickson's impact is only directly seen during the season in which he played.

4/19/2009 11:01:52 AM

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""Look at the history of 1-year players in college -- their teams do quite well. Hickson was the exception" wat"

In very general terms, this is true... obviously Hickson is not the only exception though...

And Harrow isn't on Wall's level. Harrow is going to be awesome because he'll be around for longer than 1 year but Wall is a once in a decade type of PG.

He'll have a better one season in college than Derrick Rose. There. I said it...

(unless he goes to dook where he'll be forced to drive and kick out so the 6'10" white guys can shoot 3's)

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM. Reason : x]

4/19/2009 11:02:44 AM

^^ that's what I'm tryin to get at...

Hickson's negative impact was definitely felt over the past two years

4/19/2009 11:22:45 AM

oh god get out of here with that shit.

4/19/2009 11:36:01 AM

don't take the bait

4/19/2009 11:44:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8Rg7po1LQ

4/19/2009 12:02:07 PM

Quote :

"^^ Get a grip. Just because we lost wall doesn't mean you have to invent a completely fictional reality to make yourself feel better. Man up and just accept the wall miss for what it is. Harrow's marginally better shooting doesn't mean shit -- every HS player takes a hit once they get into college, and the ones without exceptional athleticism (harrow) get hit the worse. The ones like wall, though, end up leading their teams to the NCAA tourney and more (Look at the history of 1-year players in college -- their teams do quite well. Hickson was the exception, and if that's the extent of your basketball knowledge, I can see why you can so easily post that nonsense.) The recruiting mania is causing people to lose perspective -- freshman by and large suck when they get into college. This is common wisdom. The few who don't suck are the ones who are projected to be NBA players."

First off, I'm not the one crying about losing Wall. I also never got overly excited about the prospects of him coming to NC State because the second we started recruiting him, the gurus said we have a lot of obstacles to overcome to get him here. Its not me you need to tell to get a grip. My comments ARE putting this shit in perspective. I'm not making this shit up about Harrow. The kid is sick. He isn't a walking turnover, he shoots SIGNIFICANTLY better than Wall (not marginally), and he is a better ball handler. Wall is faster and can dunk on more people. So fucking what if you're turning it over every other posession.


Go watch Harrow play before bringing that bullshit in here. Would I love to get Wall? yes. doesn't mean I'm being delusional about Harrow. The kid can absolutely play and that has nothing to do with John Wall. I'm saying it more to calm people like yourself down, not myself. I haven't given a fuck about John Wall for months. We were never the favorite to land him, thats what "you people" need to realize.

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 12:43 PM. Reason : if you couldn't get the sarcasm in the first paragraph of the OP, I feel sorry for you. ]

4/19/2009 12:41:20 PM

nc state fans have to make things up to be able to live with nc state athletics.

4/19/2009 12:54:33 PM

^^ we all love Harrow and are glad to have him... but you're talking about a guy in Wall who a lot of people think would be the #1 pick in the NBA Draft THIS YEAR, right out of high school.

Harrow is great, but Wall is Derrick Rose. Sorry man, you just aren't going to get too much support to back up that claim.

Would I rather have 3-4 years of Harrow? You bet. But it'd be awesome to have Wall be that bridge to him as well...

4/19/2009 12:58:09 PM

God damnit



I don't understand whats so fucking retarded about pointing out that Ryan Harrow can play basketball on the same level as John Wall? You of all people NyM should recognize what I'm talking about. The NBA drafts on potential...so thats a stupid argument. Of course the 6'4" speed demon is going to be ranked/drafted higher than a 6'0" flat skinny kid with sick handles. My point right now is that Harrow's game needs less work than John Wall's. Is that retarded to say? Does anyone's argument at this point hold any water? fuck no. If you read my last post, you will see I said nothing about John Wall not being a great player, it was all about Harrow, and my original post about Wall was full of sarcasm....so quit acting like I'm shitting on Wall...As I said in the last post, I'd love to have him.


This has nothing to do with how good each one is and everything to do with Rankings/hype. John Wall has been in high school for 5 years and Ryan Harrow is basically unevaluated, by the admission of both evaluators (Telep/evans). On the other hand, everyone who has seen him play says that he will be a top 25 recruit before its all said and done, maybe higher. But then again, the guys who rank him haven't made the effort to go see him play even though he dropped 30 a game in one of americas best high school basketball conferences.

4/19/2009 1:35:39 PM

Quote :

"I don't understand whats so fucking retarded about pointing out that Ryan Harrow can play basketball on the same level as John Wall?"

ummmm because it's not true?

the NBA drafts on potential with big guys like Hickson... Wall's game is already way more advanced then most (all) of the top point guards in the country, including the guys already in college. he would start in the NBA next year if he skipped college. Harrow would not

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2009 1:37:53 PM

ummmmm....go watch them play. John Wall is a freak athlete. He runs faster and dunks harder than Harrow, in addition to showboating. He's an inferior shooter and ball handler to Ryan, and if you argue that you haven't seen them play.


But then again, Harrow is 4 inches shorter yet during games he's throwing balls off the backboard to himself and slamming them home. What do I know....

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]


Harrow would not start next year in the NBA because of what I already mentioned dipshit. Size/athelticism. You look smart when you argue a point with shit someone else has already pointed out..........

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2009 1:41:59 PM

Wall has a great handle. His ONLY fault is that he tries to do too much passing the ball sometimes. His shot isn't an issue because he can get to the rack against anyone at any time.

Just like Rose, he'll work on his shot as it becomes needed...

Quote :

"Wall is faster and can dunk on more people. So fucking what if you're turning it over every other posession. "

When you say shit like this, it sure looks like you are trying to say that Harrow is a better point guard...

*** Maybe you're not like this, but it's the same shit every time we lose a recruit. Oh, he sucks anyway. Player Y will be better for us... or he wouldn't have qualified here anyway (Favors/Cousins). It's sad...

4/19/2009 1:48:02 PM

this used to be one of my favorite threads...what a shame.

4/19/2009 1:50:30 PM

I've been posting here for a long time and you should know better....why would I act like that then immediately after that sentence post about how I'd still love to have Wall?


Have you seen me post one comment about CJ Leslie like that? no. I'm the one on here telling people to STFU we still have a great shot with him. I was one of only a few on here telling people to stop shitting on Wall when all those character issues came up with him. So why would I all of a sudden change that? One comment to contrast his game with Harrow's doesn't mean I'm trying to make Harrow look like a better point guard. I said it from the beginning, I'm trying to get across that Harrow might be just as good....he does different things...some better, but Wall has a leg up on size athleticism and Harrow has a leg up on handles and fewer turnovers.


There's nothing about that anyone can argue. Now if you want to argue "potential" and "NBA Ready" then you have to throw in the fact that the NBA doesn't always draft the best basketball players over great athletes...and they draft on potential and have been doing so for years. So in the end its a wash. We'll know more when Harrow gets evaluated. We'll know more when they're both playing in college. So far, its just a pair of great high school point guards...one with hype and another who is unevaluated.

4/19/2009 1:57:26 PM

Quote :

"My point right now is that Harrow's game needs less work than John Wall's. Is that retarded to say? "

Yes.

4/19/2009 2:05:32 PM

ok, but instead of acting like a fuck for brains how about you explain why Ryan Harrow needs to improve his game to get on John Wall's level? Is it because he needs to grow 4 inches, gain 30 pounds, get 2 more stars, and drop his 40 time??? If so, you are a fuck for brains.

4/19/2009 2:16:23 PM

no, i'm going to turn off my computer instead. i am a fuck for brains, but i have a life.

4/19/2009 2:20:25 PM

Because it takes more than 15 seconds to type it...that is....if you could think of it on your own.

4/19/2009 2:32:39 PM

I'm feeling the love in this thread

4/19/2009 2:47:50 PM

come on man, you can't be serious w/ this.

4/19/2009 3:50:06 PM

wolfAApack is failing pretty hard on this page

4/19/2009 3:53:41 PM

except that nobody has bothered to point out a valid counter argument besides size and athleticism, when my original arguement was about basketball ability alone, not NBA potential, not recruiting rankings, or anything else. Nor did I say John Wall sucks, or "we don't need him", or "we're better off without him". Basically, the only negative I said about John wall was the fact that he turns the ball over a lot, only to contrast the fact that Ryan doesn't....which is a lot less than what most of you have said about him.


So yes, I fail for saying Ryan Harrow is a really good basketball player.....?


epic

counter argument

fail

4/19/2009 4:09:01 PM

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"Harrow has a much better all around game."

only counter argument i need is to repost the dumb shit you've said

4/19/2009 4:23:55 PM

lol...once again, you prove your ignorance. I don't give a fuck if i'm wrong or what you think of my posts, but i do appreciate it when posters who think I'm wrong say why, rather than just reposting the same tired "thats stupid" quote. Plus, quoting one sentence out of context doesn't fucking make you the authority on the subject. I've repeatedly made statements that give my respect to John Wall as well, yet for some reason those are getting ignored. Thats what I get for trying to talk to retards on here.


So do it, or shut the fuck up about it. If you can't prove me wrong, then posting over and over that my opinion on the 2 basktball players is stupid doesn't mean shit. The only reason I'm still posting on the topic is because nobody has countered yet.

[Edited on April 19, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2009 4:37:21 PM

Quote :

"Oh yeah, Hickson was the best possible thing that could have happened for us. I mean, look at us now. Look at us then. "

Thank you Hickson. I like Lo Brown, Harrow, and Howell. Thanks for helping us get in the game with Favors.

4/19/2009 5:54:45 PM

Favors is going to Georgia Tech, pal.

4/19/2009 6:25:50 PM

i know, but why was he considering us?

4/19/2009 6:28:03 PM