Since no one is being nice I will point out exactly why you are an idiot

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"Marshall has improved programs every years he's been at them."

This is false. The first four years Marshall was at Winthrop he went to the NCAA tournament then he spent two years with no tournament berth. He finished out his career with three more tourney berths. If you graph that it is not improvement it is a plateau with a dip in the middle and a little spike on the end.
At Wichita State he has shown that he might be able to very slowly build a team that one day could be a decent mid major.

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"Multiple NCAA appearances, one win. But he was 14+ seeded at the time. I argue that it's harder to win seeded that low. I argue that you have to take that into context when you judge his tourney appearance."

His one NCAA tournament win was as an 11 seed. Wait isn't VCU an 11 seed this year...

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"MUCH longer track record than Shaka."

longer track record of mediocrity and for some strange reason not being offered a big job.

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"Shaka has gotten hot, other than that he's done jack shit."

He has proven that he can win on the biggest stage possible with a severely out gunned team. Marshall has proven that he can sometimes be the best team in a really shitty conference. OH and he can win the NIT.

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"Past performance does not dictate future results. Marshall's history indicates he could get us back to respectability better than Shaka."

ummmmm way to contradict yourself there.

4/1/2011 9:18:25 AM

^ Yeah I was typing all that shit out quickly. Meant that a short past of going to one F4 miracle run doesn't indicate anything about future results.

Quote :

"His one NCAA tournament win was as an 11 seed. Wait isn't VCU an 11 seed this year..."

Right, exactly. Once Marshall got a seed better than 14... he won. Yeah he didn't go to a F4 with his 11 seed but how may teams in history have? 2? 11 seeds typically win one or two games before bowing out.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 9:28 AM. Reason : ...]

4/1/2011 9:26:42 AM

Lets just face facts guys, we are no longer a relevant basketball program. We will continue to finish with 5-7 ACC wins every year and maybe on occasion get to 9 and sneak into the tourney to lose in the first round. We should just hire whoever is willing to take the job at the lowest price and turn our attention to football now and hope that somehow we can keep that moving in the right direction.

4/1/2011 9:26:44 AM

that's the spirit

4/1/2011 9:31:56 AM

I'm waiting on adder to show us the average recruiting stars for Wichita State's players versus Alabama.

4/1/2011 9:33:20 AM

Doss2k is Lee Fowler

4/1/2011 9:34:01 AM

No, but I do blame him for getting us to this point.

4/1/2011 9:36:02 AM

^^^And you wonder why every reasonable person thinks you are a dumbass...because you refuse to engage on any facet of his actual argument and instead continue to harp on one thing that he didn't even bring up.

If we all agree to acknowledge that he beat a team with greater talent than his, can you acknowledge that this happens on a daily fucking basis in college basketball and it doesn't mean a goddamn thing about the coach or whether we should hire him?

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 9:37 AM. Reason : ^^^]

4/1/2011 9:37:24 AM

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"We will continue to finish with 5-7 ACC wins every year and maybe on occasion get to 9 and sneak into the tourney to lose in the first round."

I firmly believe Gregg Marshall would be capable of that.

The funny thing is that no one is actually denying the statement that Gregg's ceiling is Sendek levels at best. I would rather take a risk on Smart being able to do better than go with the safer mediocre bet. Smart at the very least should be able to bring in ACC caliber talent and motivate the players on our roster. Marshall will probably rape harrow and kill leslie just to make a point.

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" I'm waiting on adder to show us the average recruiting stars for Wichita State's players versus Alabama."

Lowe beat a far more talented Villanova team. I guess he is a better coach than Wright?


[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 9:41 AM. Reason : at this point boozie is just a clown. ]

4/1/2011 9:38:53 AM

Quote :

"The funny thing is that no one is actually denying the statement that Gregg's ceiling is Sendek levels at best. I would rather take a risk on Smart being able to do better than go with the safer mediocre bet. Smart at the very least should be able to bring in ACC caliber talent and motivate the players on our roster."

4/1/2011 9:58:31 AM

Quote :

"at this point boozie is just a clown."

Lol who exactly was right about the previous coach clown?

People on your side even said you were an idiot. Think about that.

Quote :

"If we all agree to acknowledge that he beat a team with greater talent than his, can you acknowledge that this happens on a daily fucking basis in college basketball and it doesn't mean a goddamn thing about the coach or whether we should hire him?"

That's right but he just won a fucking tournament with teams full of more talent that what his has.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason : I wasn't even in this argument]

4/1/2011 9:59:20 AM

yes, but a clown who happens to be correct is still a clown.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:04 AM. Reason : and less funny than a misinformed clown. which is sad.]

4/1/2011 10:04:05 AM

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"That's right but he just won a fucking tournament with teams full of more talent that what his has."

So Marshall just beat some NIT teams and we are supposed to give him all this credit for great coaching while Smart just beat some of the most talented teams in the nation and his team "just got hot". You don't see the inconsistency of this argument?

At this point what NCSU needs more than anything is someone who can motivate (Smart obviously can) and can keep the talent coming in (Smart is reportedly a great recruiter). We do not need someone with possible personality problems coming in and alienating talent and scrapping the foundation that is in place.

4/1/2011 10:14:15 AM

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"You don't see the inconsistency of this argument?"

I'm not against Smart dumbfuck.

I'm against you idiots that can't see that Marshall is a good coach.

4/1/2011 10:18:57 AM

Guys! We have a new coach! Some people just saw this guy on campus, here's the evidence:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=610937

4/1/2011 10:20:11 AM

Man, this Shaka bandwagon is moving on without any care to the potential downsides, huh?

I really don't have an opinion on our options right now, but good luck to whoever ends up getting this job. They are going to need it.

4/1/2011 10:20:35 AM

Seriously i trust deb's judgment i hope its someone still in the big tourney but if it comes to a mid-major i trust her.

and honestly we may have a big name in consideration but we're waiting to see if Smart or stevens will bite at a lower price.


[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2011 10:23:09 AM

^^^^^good point.

Smart had a major part in Donovan's recruiting of Boykin and Walker.

If Smart is who DY dons the new coach, our current players will be more than thrilled to play for him. With Marshall I could easily see the line of transfers/decommits grow.

I can only imagine what he could do for our recruiting vs Duke/UNC.

His only flaw is lack of "head coaching" experience. Other than that, he has mulitple years of Assistant Coaching experience, successfully recruited at a power conference (FL), and I'm fairly certain was a part of Donovan's team when he won NC.

I would like to believe that this is a direct correlation as to why he is so successful now. He has been on this stage, albeit as an AC, but nonetheless you can tell he used that invaluable expericence and has applied that to his current team.

Smart's ceiling is limitless, and if nothing else; NCSU could use the positive pub/press/etc.. he's created. It would be an instant "shot in the arm" that this program/fanbase/alumni need.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ^^]

4/1/2011 10:23:20 AM

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"If Smart is who DY dons the new coach, our current players will be more than thrilled to play for him. With Marshall I could easily see the line of transfers/decommits grow."

Because Shaka is black and Gregg is white? Lol what other reason leads to people saying shit like this? I thought we learned a lesson with Lowe and we don't need a best friend as head coach? Someone show me how many players have transferred from Marshall's programs and not people that don't play transfers.

4/1/2011 10:25:38 AM

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"Because Shaka is black and Gregg is white?"

No, because he took VCU to the Final Effing Four, jackass.

4/1/2011 10:27:21 AM

So that's why players would transfer if Marshall was hired, ok.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:33 AM. Reason : So why would they transfer if we hired Marshall then? No evidence at all]

4/1/2011 10:27:57 AM

^
yes, i am not saying that they "will" transfer. i think that the fact with what Shaka has done in the NCAA will carry more weight than Marshall.

However, to your point, I will side that him winning the NIT will carry some weight.

But the black and white thing????wft. noone even said that. come on man

4/1/2011 10:32:12 AM

No one is going to transfer. Get serious.

4/1/2011 10:32:46 AM

i am not opposed to marshall, but i think shaka can bring more in the long run than marshall.

shaka is a gamble, but any hire would be.

shaka's upside is much more than marshall.

any recruit in the nation would listen to a phone call from shaka smart.

i doubt they know who gregg marshall is

4/1/2011 10:33:58 AM

^^i would hope they wouldn't, but right now i don't know that for sure. do you?

4/1/2011 10:34:36 AM

Quote :

"a close alumni friend of mine has told me we've offered donovan 4.2 mil for 10 yearsbeen assured nobody will transer."

4/1/2011 10:39:57 AM

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[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:41 AM. Reason : the only logical choice that will please everyone]

4/1/2011 10:41:18 AM

Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:41 AM. Reason : ]

4/1/2011 10:41:48 AM

Quote :

"any recruit in the nation would listen to a phone call from shaka smart. i doubt they know who gregg marshall is"

That's what i was eluding to. Not that players would necessarily transfer or de-commit if Marshall was coach, but that Shaka has instant recruiting cred and nationwide name recognition at this point in time. Given recent events, I'd venture a guess that players & recruits would be excited and optimistic about Shaka and range anywhere from lukewarm to somewhat disappointed with a Marshall hire.

Also, does anyone really care about the NIT? If you were a top level recruit, would there be any real comparison in your mind b/t a coach who just led a mid-major to the final four and a coach that won the NIT? It seems pretty obvious to me, but that's just my opinion.

4/1/2011 10:42:17 AM

guys, apparently we have hired a coach and he's been seen on campus by a number of people. no one has any photos, but here's a depiction captured by onlookers:

4/1/2011 10:44:12 AM

^^obviously the NIT is not the NCAA, but not take anything from Marshall, to win the NIT is still an accomplishment.

but couldn't agree more with Shaka. Beyond Steven's run last year (and this year); there has not been a more positive story in basketball. To reap any reward from that ie recruiting/motivation/etc. would only benefit the cloud of negativity that has over us that past few years.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 10:45 AM. Reason : ^]

4/1/2011 10:45:30 AM

@ndmetical

good one

4/1/2011 10:46:59 AM

I'm officially on the Shaka bandwagon...let's do it

4/1/2011 10:48:44 AM

I'm on the Shaka bandwagon as well, but only because at this point I think he is the only hire left that will save us from embarrassment yet again.

4/1/2011 10:51:55 AM

Quote :

"Man, this Shaka bandwagon is moving on without any care to the potential downsides, huh? "

Every single person has acknowledged the high-risk, high-reward hire that Smart would be. It even happened like three posts above you.

4/1/2011 10:53:21 AM

I would love to have Shaka but do you honestly think we are going to get him?

Prepare yourselves for Gregg Marshall or Mike Lonergan so the letdown won't be as hard.

4/1/2011 10:57:20 AM

Quote :

"I would love to have Shaka but do you honestly think we are going to get him? "

i think we have a shot

4/1/2011 10:58:17 AM

where else would he go? Mizzou?

Come now, we are going to offer him stupid money.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 11:00 AM. Reason : jesus ernie chill out man]

4/1/2011 10:58:36 AM

From the old Lutz thread

Quote :

"packboozie All American 13786 Posts user info edit post Charlotte has fielded good teams for a while now. Do your research. I don't want him and his thug niggers here. 4/13/2006 12:55:25 PM"

Stay classy, boozie

4/1/2011 10:58:46 AM

Quote :

"where else would he go? Mizzou? Come now, we are going to offer him stupid money."

Everyone's going to throw stupid money at him. So look at it as all things being equal... is State a better big-time gig to cut your teeth on than Mizzou or OU?

4/1/2011 10:59:45 AM

uh yeah

4/1/2011 11:00:57 AM

^^^ haha. that explains so much.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ^]

4/1/2011 11:01:17 AM

so is donovan a definite [no] now?

4/1/2011 11:01:36 AM

ahahahahaha

4/1/2011 11:01:49 AM

Quote :

"where else would he go?"

Nowhere. He could always stay at VCU for another year and wait for a better job.

4/1/2011 11:02:00 AM

^^^^^^^

damn, and his true colors come out.

No wonder he hated lowe with such vitriol.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2011 11:02:20 AM

^^and finish in the middle of the road in the colonial again?

you strike while the iron is hot.

[Edited on April 1, 2011 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2011 11:02:40 AM

Quote :

"uh yeah"

Apparently a lot of coaches don't think it's a good job period.

4/1/2011 11:02:42 AM

Quote :

"you strike while the iron is hot."

agreed, would be surprised if he's not here, ou, or mizzou after the tourney

4/1/2011 11:03:14 AM

Quote :

"packboozie All American 13786 Posts user info edit post Quote : "-Karl Hobbs -the guy from UAB (nasty defense, "100 minutes of hell" style like Nolan Richardson)" Two niggers? Karl Hobbs team really impressed me when we beat them by 21 here in Raleigh. Mike Anderson? UAB is in the weak ass Conference USA and finishes 2nd. Does that impress you enough to want him to take over for Herb? 3/11/2006 4:41:28 PM"

4/1/2011 11:03:30 AM