Quote :

"just wondering if this was a situation where I was supposed to go broke. "

yes.

hell do the same with AA/KK/99/88, AQ prob.

even if he has it, youve got the redraw.

7/10/2006 5:04:11 PM

Yeah, everyone goes to the beach during the summer on weekends. Dewey is a lot of fun. Watch your cornhole in Rheobeth though.

I spent many a drunk night in the Logan house. The best were the "loops" where like 10 bars have 1 cover and buses running between. The Halloween one was always insane.

7/10/2006 5:04:39 PM

friday i walked to logan house after work for a few beers and dinner.

i was at the bar, and watching how the girl made liquor drinks. got interested. for those of you that know me, know how im a sucker for a ridiculously strong gin and tonic.

i had had a few guiness pints. got a tanqueray and tonic. a 20 oz glass of the strongest gin and tonic ive ever had. finished it in about 3 minutes. i realized i hadnt eaten paid my tab, and started to walk home, knowing this was going to turn interesting. halfway home got slam dunked and it hit hard.

passed out watching enemy at the gates of all things on my couch at 7pm. missed the call from my friend who was offering to drive down from philly, go back up to philly for a night out with some girls.

woke up at 4am, ready to go.

oh wait, what the hell..

i like that place.

time to go home.

[Edited on July 10, 2006 at 5:11 PM. Reason : e]

7/10/2006 5:10:43 PM

If you ever go to Kahuna for a concert or to drink outside by the river, look for Frank the Bartender. he's a big fat guy, with short black hair (he's listed on my myspace page). He used to work my basement parties... tell him you know me, and ask him about the basement. If you like your drinks strong, He'll treat you right.

7/10/2006 5:19:52 PM

Quote :

"some idiot came up with the concept of waiting just until the clock runs out to bet which isnt that bad IF YOU DONT ONLY DO IT WHEN YOU HAVE THE NUTS They think that if they wait 25624563456 seconds before they bet they are being tricky."

The most glaring tell of bad online players.... period

7/10/2006 7:11:34 PM

I swore off poker Saturday night but decided to play in a FPP sattelite into the ME. This is why I continue to hate poker.

PokerStars Game #5519064037: Tournament #27638476, 700FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/10 - 21:50:26 (ET)
Table '27638476 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jeepjohnny (1690 in chips)
Seat 2: bigronson (3280 in chips)
Seat 3: THUNTER (1165 in chips)
Seat 4: Bicycle (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: DJenner VIII (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: a-kocher (800 in chips)
Seat 7: Isidor (2498 in chips)
Seat 8: The Hish 24 (1372 in chips)
Seat 9: Twisty (2150 in chips)
jeepjohnny: posts small blind 25
bigronson: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [Ks Qd]
THUNTER: folds
Bicycle: folds
DJenner VIII: folds
a-kocher: calls 50
Isidor: folds
The Hish 24: calls 50
Twisty: folds
jeepjohnny: raises 200 to 250
bigronson: calls 200
a-kocher: folds
The Hish 24: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [As Qc Kh]
jeepjohnny: checks
bigronson: checks
The Hish 24: bets 1122 and is all-in
jeepjohnny: raises 318 to 1440 and is all-in
bigronson: folds
*** TURN *** [As Qc Kh] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [As Qc Kh 6c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jeepjohnny: shows [Kd Ah] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
The Hish 24: shows [Ks Qd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
jeepjohnny collected 3044 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3044 | Rake 0
Board [As Qc Kh 6c 3h]
Seat 1: jeepjohnny (small blind) showed [Kd Ah] and won (3044) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: bigronson (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: THUNTER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Bicycle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DJenner VIII folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: a-kocher folded before Flop
Seat 7: Isidor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: The Hish 24 showed [Ks Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: Twisty (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

7/10/2006 9:53:08 PM

hish you know better than making that call pf

7/10/2006 10:24:48 PM

Full Tilt Poker Game #787032807: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (5214616), Table 5 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:45:16 ET - 2006/07/10
Seat 1: Aw2Real (4,120)
Seat 2: snake hansen (2,050)
Seat 3: DrOldSchool (4,085)
Seat 4: JacktheBear3 (1,040)
Seat 5: Riplayer (1,805)
Seat 6: White_Pepper (2,350)
Seat 7: mike mck (2,110)
Seat 9: nobbody (7,975)
DrOldSchool posts the small blind of 50
JacktheBear3 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Th 7h]
Riplayer folds
White_Pepper folds
mike mck folds
nobbody calls 100
Aw2Real calls 100
snake hansen folds
DrOldSchool calls 50
JacktheBear3 raises to 500
nobbody folds
Aw2Real raises to 900
DrOldSchool folds
JacktheBear3 calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6h 9h 8h]
JacktheBear3 bets 100
DrOldSchool: lol
Aw2Real calls 100
*** TURN *** [6h 9h 8h] [5h]
JacktheBear3 bets 40, and is all in
Aw2Real calls 40
JacktheBear3 shows [As Td]
Aw2Real shows [Qc Tc]
*** RIVER *** [6h 9h 8h 5h] [4h]
DrOldSchool: 10 7 h
JacktheBear3 shows a flush, Nine high
Aw2Real shows a flush, Nine high
JacktheBear3 ties for the pot (1,140) with a flush, Nine high
Aw2Real ties for the pot (1,140) with a flush, Nine high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,280 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 9h 8h 5h 4h]
Seat 1: Aw2Real showed [Qc Tc] and won (1,140) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 2: snake hansen (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: DrOldSchool (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: JacktheBear3 (big blind) showed [As Td] and won (1,140) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 5: Riplayer didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: White_Pepper didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: mike mck didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: nobbody folded before the Flop

7/10/2006 10:46:48 PM

Quote :

"Dont hate, but this hand history makes me throw up in my mouth a little."

[Edited on July 10, 2006 at 10:48 PM. Reason : ^^^]

7/10/2006 10:47:50 PM

OK... serious hand talk

We're in a tourney with 47 people left, top 36 pay. Blinds 250/500, ante 50

We are in middle position with $11,500 in chips and get dealt 55

UTG pushes for $2,200
Fold
UTG +3 pushes for $1,900
UTG +4 pushes for $3,700
Now us...

What are we doing here? Gotta figure we're behind, but is this an equity call?

[Edited on July 11, 2006 at 3:28 AM. Reason : .]

7/11/2006 3:25:46 AM

A few people have asked me to, so I'll chime in briefly on a few of the last page's issues...

1) Hish - IN GENERAL, NEVER CALL A RAISE IN TOURNEY WITH KQ!!!!! ENOUGH SAID ABOUT THAT!!

2) The question of calling with AQs there... generally I never call a reraise, or hell, never call a raise with AQ suited or not, to begin with at any point early in tourney. So unless you think the guy is an absolute nut job, I just plain wouldn't make the call. Now, the real issue there is whether or not we call for all our chips in very early stage of a tourney when we have a 60/40 (or in this case, actually 70/30) edge. There are many arguments for and against making the call, and like most situations in poker... "it depends."

Looking at online tourneys, if I have AQ, and I KNOW my opponent has J3, then I make the call for all my chips in the first level of pretty much any online tourney. It's too good of equity to pass up. The only exception would probably be in an Ultimate Bet $100+ tourney. These have the best structure on the net, with 2500 chips, starting with 5/10 blinds, and the fields in general are week enough that I almost always find a great situation to double up either with AA vs. AK/KK/QQ/JJ in first 90 minutes, or with a set vs. overpair in that same time. Both times I'm getting all in at least 80/20 favorite. However, in most tourneys online, even the big ones on stars and party, and especially the average $20 tourney, the structure is just not good enough to pass this edge up. The same goes with most live tourneys. Again, the big exception here would be in main events. And to this extent, I'd say that I would make the call (again, KNOWING he has J3 for sure) in most live $10k events, but not in the WSOP main event. The reason being that the WSOP ME allows for a little more play than most, AND the average player is MUCH weaker in this event than the average player in most $10k events. Thus I feel that I have a much better than 60 - 65% chance of doubling my chip stack in this tourney.

That is the key question to ask yourself, just as it's laid out in the cardplayer article that Ben mentioned. In that article, the Hero has QQ in the bb in the first hand of a $10k event. it's folded to the small blind, who accidentally shows his AK suited, and then goes all in. The author argues that the Hero should CALL with his QQ (54%) b/c if he played this tourney 100 times, he felt that he would double his starting stack at any point in the tourney LESS than 54 times! Now, I DISAGREE with this statement. I believe that I double my starting stack at some point in the tourney a lot more than 54% of the time... I'd guess 70% of the time I do. And therefore, my inflection point would be when I'm a 70% or better favorite, I should make that call, but I would definitely choose to fold the QQ vs. the AKs on the first hand! If, however, you are honest with yourself, and you're not THAT good of a player, then you should make the call!

There is also an issue of big stack play. However, I don't believe it is as important as a lot of people do to take extra risks to accumulate a big stack early. I don't believe it is quite as advantageous in the long run as some people believe.

3) Separate from the risking your stack with AQ vs. J3 question, some people asked how they should play AQ early in tourneys to raises or reraises. Some people said they should just call and see the flop rather than raising. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

JUST FOLD IT! If you are first in or there are one or 2 limpers in front of you, then by all means raise with your AQ, but if you get reraised, JUST FOLD IT! And if someone opens for a raise in front of you, JUST FOLD IT! Just like KQ, I like to play small pots with AQ... when I have position, and I have the lead in the hand... I pretty much never call a raise with it at a full table.

A few weeks ago, in a tourney on UB, someone raised to 800 with 150/300 blinds and 25 antes from mid position. It folded to me, and I folded my AQsuited from the big blind. I accidentally hit the show and fold button, and so it showed the table my hand. Two railbirds and one player at the table basically went crazy! "How can you not see a flop with that hand?!??!" was the general consensous, but I stand by my fold 100%. FYI, I had ~15k in chips at the time and was one of the chip leaders in the tourney. IF however, my stack was ~2500 or less at this time OR the raiser's stack was ~2500 or less, I would've pushed all in with the AQs preflop over the top of his raise. But in no situation would I have just called his bet.

7/11/2006 4:36:04 AM

You really think the UB $100+ are the best? The structure is great, but I kept hearing you talk about the tourneys on stars so I had been thinking of taking my ub money out and throwing it into a stars account.

[Edited on July 11, 2006 at 8:36 AM. Reason : ]

7/11/2006 8:36:24 AM

jon, i agree

like i said this guy had just gone all in with 93, 106 the 2 hands b4 won the blinds and showed it, so i mean i was pretty damn sure he had 2 unders and at worst a k and an under

7/11/2006 9:26:16 AM

Im playing Poker tonight

I have a nice table and like 800 chips and I never use the shit

someone is loosing some money tonight (hopefully not me)

7/11/2006 9:33:45 AM

No, but you may be loosing [sic] some respect after your last post.

7/11/2006 9:48:10 AM

the stars tournaments are advantageous due to the fact that the antes are more aggressive than party's silly ante system....

players dont adjust accordingly, and late to end game play becomes much more profitable for the player who understands proper adujustments.

but stars tournaments do get infested with some of the best players on the net.

imo.

7/11/2006 10:05:30 AM

ben- what are you eating for lunch today?

i just had a delicious pack of ritz bits crackers!

7/11/2006 10:29:07 AM

Why are aggressive antes a good thing?

7/11/2006 10:45:53 AM

people who tend to play tight will lose their stacks fast, thus giving good tournament players an advantage over everyone else.

7/11/2006 10:53:52 AM

So, you like it when the blinds start high as well?

7/11/2006 11:14:25 AM

i didnt make the original comment. i was just answering your question on the antes. do you always feel a need to respond with an attitude?

7/11/2006 11:27:46 AM

An attitude?

7/11/2006 11:31:17 AM

haha

7/11/2006 11:44:56 AM

You girls stop fighting

You should probably quit wasting company time as well.

7/11/2006 12:25:56 PM

Quote :

"Why are aggressive antes a good thing?"

It's not the fact that the antes are faster that makes it a good thing. its the fact that so few players make the proper adjustments to the escalating antes that makes it a good thing. In the stars structure, proper bubble play pays off much higher dividends than with party's structure. Stealing and esp. Restealing become so much more important and offer termendous value. people also fail to understand end game equity concepts as well, in relation to calling ranges and managing a stack that is beginning to become shallow with the rising levels.

Quote :

"people who tend to play tight will lose their stacks fast, thus giving good tournament players an advantage over everyone else."

not necessarily. id say it gives more of an advantage to the solid and yet aggressive tournament player, but there are termendously good rocktight tournament players (ahem, like turner) who are not adversly effected by the ante systems. Being tight isnt punished either, but solid selection and post flop play becomes more important.


now remember david, that these concepts aren't comming into play untill like the 3rd hour of a stars tournament anyways, when the antes become really relavent. thats about the time the avg stack (in a freezeout) gets to a mid/low M value, and your M decreases much faster with the larger ante size. many players fail to make the proper adjustments to the dead money in thepot in relation to their preflop play and esp. their blind play. oftentimes this correlates with bubble time too, which spices up the situation even more. (for aggressive stealers like me)

effectively you can build stacks quicker with more aggro late position play late in tournaments that have a high ante structure.

Quote :

"So, you like it when the blinds start high as well?"

hopefully you see why i was making the point i was, and not saying that you should be playing tournaments with too fast structures. Value in poker is inherient in other players missplays, not always your fantastic ones.

7/11/2006 12:51:26 PM

i havent played any card higher than a 7 in months!!!1

7/11/2006 12:53:01 PM

Be careful using bold in your posts. You may hurt linoleum24's feelings.

7/11/2006 12:59:40 PM

For example.

200/400 blinds with a 50 chip ante. 9 player table. on the bubble.

600+450 = 1050 in the pot.

you open in late position for 1000 chip even bet.

folds around.

how often does this have to work to be a very profitable play?

7/11/2006 1:04:52 PM

Quote :

"ben- what are you eating for lunch today? i just had a delicious pack of ritz bits crackers!"

smoked turkey with apple bacon, lettuce, tomato, jalepeno basil mayo on a red chili pepper kaiser. and a coke.

the cafeteria here is apparently pretty impressive.

i think im gonna go to the borgata when i get off work. bing.

7/11/2006 2:50:21 PM

that sounds good

i just had a turkey wrap from harris teeter


they havent updated the uspc schedule anywhere online, im tryna make hotel arrangements

7/11/2006 2:54:44 PM

you could crash at my place if it comes to it.

its about an hour drive, but meh

[Edited on July 11, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : e]

7/11/2006 2:58:21 PM

o its that close

i thought it was a couple hrs away or something

7/11/2006 3:04:40 PM

~70 miles through south jersey country roads (its really hit or miss.. if you get behind a damn bus full of octagenarian slot players and never get a chance on a passing zone, it can be sloooowwwww), or ~90 miles up 95 into philly -> 76 bridge to ACExpressway.

7/11/2006 3:07:18 PM

i may rent a car for a week and do it

7/11/2006 3:31:53 PM

whatuuurrr

just let me know.

7/11/2006 3:37:21 PM

[the house to pick up a roll and then] to the borg!

7/11/2006 4:44:40 PM

How stupid was this hand?



Paradise Poker Game #1584412785 - (blinds $0.50/$1) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/07/11-23:33:15.4
(CST)
Table "Oukou (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: paultheginny ($134.75 in chips)
Seat 2: FOLDER-UP ($137.75 in chips)
Seat 3: huyvo82 ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 4: da bess hand ($135.90 in chips)
Seat 5: noidroid ($122.20 in chips)
FOLDER-UP: Post Small Blind ($0.50)
huyvo82 : Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to noidroid [ 9d ]
Dealt to noidroid [ Td ]
da bess hand: Call ($1)
noidroid: Raise ($5)
paultheginny: Fold
FOLDER-UP: Raise ($8.50)
huyvo82 : Call ($8)
da bess hand: Call ($8)
noidroid: Call ($4)
*** FLOP *** : [ Ts Jc Ks ]
FOLDER-UP: Check
huyvo82 : Check
da bess hand: Check
noidroid: Check
*** TURN *** : [ Ts Jc Ks ] [ 4d ]
FOLDER-UP: Check
huyvo82 : Check
da bess hand: Check
noidroid: Bet ($9.50)
FOLDER-UP: Fold
huyvo82 : Fold
da bess hand: Fold
noidroid: Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $34.20 | Rake: $1.80
Board: [ Ts Jc Ks 4d ]
paultheginny didn't bet (folded)
FOLDER-UP lost $9 (folded)
huyvo82 lost $9 (folded)
da bess hand lost $9 (folded)
noidroid bet $18.50, collected $43.70, net +$25.20 [ 9d Td ] (a pair of tens)





Re-raised to $9 preflop with 4 people in, 3 folds on the turn to a $9.50 bet on the turn with 3rd pair. I should try that more often.

7/12/2006 2:09:18 AM

Anyone who knows Weiyan who plays locally, he appears to have finished 17th in the WSOP event that he and a group of his friends entered (#17 - $1k buyin)

http://cardplayer.com/tournaments/chip_counts/3206

7/12/2006 8:16:39 AM

that is definately him...thats the event they were going to play. i know karim tried calling him a few days ago and he didnt pick up.

7/12/2006 8:31:44 AM

good job weiyan. gotta love seeing raleigh players doing well.

so... the borgata was rather uneventfull last night.

had planned on playing 6/12 (only brought like $500 with me), but there was one table open with a 15 person wait list. (wtf) hopped into a 5/10 full kill lo8 game. turned out to be a rather typical ac lo8 game, the few local nits, two younger guys looking to make a change from the holdem routine (who were actually really good), and one or two others that didnt really seem to know how to make a low, but were nailin pots left and right.

not really a profitable game, but took up some time.

only three real interesting hands.

first:

it was a kill pot, which i had scooped the previous hand with nines full.

we go 5 way to the flop in a 6 handed game in a kill pot.

ive actually got Qc2c3s6s which is a pretty decent blind hand to pick up on a kill, in the CO.

flop comes 6c 4c 8h.

checks to utg, a pretty tight nitty guy. you know the lo8 ac players that look 150 years old who buy in for like 10 bets at a time....bets out.

i call and say to the lady next to me, "im gonna get scooped and theres nothing i can do about it"

we go HU actually, which was weird

Tc.

he checks,i bet, he RR, im like balls look at him and ask "Nut, nut?" and call.

Kh.

he bets, i call.

"Nut, Nut"

"that beats third nut, third nut"

[anyone fold this at any point in time in the hand?]


hand 2:

asian girl utg raises to $25 in a non kill pot.

everyone just looks around when the dealer says "$25 is the bet"

hold on sport.

bet is fixed, and folded around to me on the button, with As 5s Ac 6c.

I three bet to push the blinds out, the sb folds, the bb calls saying "flop me quads ok"

utg caps, we both call.

flop is 7d 7h 5h

bb checks, utg checks, i bet of course.

both call.

turn is a Qh

sb bets (he bet a whole lot on interesting combinations, i liked playing with him), utg RR, im like god, im gonna have to call this down.

sb folds (?!?!?!?!)

river brings a black 4 out, utg bets,i call, expecting to lose.

she shows AA39r.

i get 1/4 of the pot...... and felt like a real donk.

i had a third one in mind when i started typing this, but ive forgotten what it was.. i may remember later.

so this game is not profitable at all, its too tight and not following the "capeletti rule" for lo8 live games standardly.

net result, -$155 for lo8, +$65 for $5 bj i played while taking a break.

i got up to walk around for a while, and come back to have them calling a new 10/20 lhe game, while im still 9 deep on the 6/12 list after nearly 2 hours. was pretty pissed they didnt open a new 6/12 table, when they kept opening new 3/6 and 2/4 tables with shorter lists that were moving quickly. but alas, it was a tuesday night, so whatever.

hop in, find out its gonna be a must move game. which, is.....

meh.

ok im gonna go ahead and post this, then post some 10/20 stuff in a few

[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 9:14 AM. Reason : e]

7/12/2006 9:12:45 AM

Weiyan went through a former champ along the way....

Wei Chan went all in for 17k and Carlos Mortensen raised to 30k. The players showed:

Carlos Mortensen A7o
Wei Chan J6h

The board came Q1073J and Chan captured the pot from Carlos Mortensen with a pair of jacks. After the hand, Chan had 34k.

[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 9:24 AM. Reason : g]

7/12/2006 9:22:51 AM

ok.

so the must move table was pretty good actually, which is nice.

only like 3 people who i recognized. one of whom was a reg. in the 20/40 and 40/80 game when the lineup is right, but was waiting on a 20 seat. another was a guy i recognzied from an empire poker vip event at the marina like 2 years ago... we were at the same table.. kinda odd how i remembered his face after getting pretty tanked at an open bar party with playmates and a former main event champ giving a tournament strategy speech.

interesting hands. from this table.

its like the 3rd or 4th hand, and the table is playing 6 handed due to so many people waiting in line for checks.

folds around to me in the sb, and the bb is this kid. there are 3 seats between us with lock buttons. i look over "do you chop normally"

"hold on, let me look"
(wtf)
"no, not this hand"

well then i raise, and he calls.

flop is 4d 4h 2d.

i bet, he RR, i 3-bet, he calls.

turn is a 2c.

i check, he bets, i CR, he calls. looking at me weird.

river is a Qs

I bet, he just calls.

he shows AQ, trumping my 55. =( selective choppers really piss me off, thats not how it works.

this hand was relatively standard and not very interesting, but it was the orer of the night to have pretty lame standard hands.

got into a real tussle with the guy immediately to my right. pretty solid player, played his hands really strange. absolutely could not get any type of range for the guy.

we were involved in three hands, all three hands happening within one orbit..... then he left pretty soon afterwards.

im in the sb with Td9d.

7 callers to me so of course i call as well. bb checks.

flop is 682r

checks around to our guy in the button, who bets. i call, thinking my over cards may be good on a pair draw also, and on this board, noone is folding over cards for one bet getting like >6:1, so im getting implied odds fromt he callers behind me, who are all pretty passive and would have bet out if they intended to raise. sure enough, 3 callers.

so we go 5 way to the turn for 5.5 bigbets.

turn is a J of the fourth suit. ehhhhhhhh limit poker is cool.

checks around tot he bettor, who bets. i call, 2 other calls.

4 way action for 9.5 BB

river is the Qh.

i check again, looking for the CR.

it checks around, and im forced to table the nuts after not donk betting the river.

clearly irritates the button, but i dont know why. he had KJ.

second time we tangled im in lp with Ad9d, and its limped to me. my guy to my right limps, i limp, button raises unfortunately, but everyone comes along and i close the action. sure. i call, so we go 5 ways for 2 bets each (both blinds came along).

flop is As 9s 2h

here we go.

checks around to my guy who bets, i RR, button folds, and my guy calls. we are HU.

turn is a Qh.

he checks, i bet, he calls.

river is a black middling card.

he checks, i bet, he RR... im confused now. AQ? AK? toss in the 4 chips to call and know im throwing money away, he shows 22.

oddly played set there, nice hand sir.

last hand we tangled i was utg, he was in the BB.

i raise out with As Ad

5 callers, he looks priced in and calls.

Qd Jd 8s

well that hit someone square in the face.

sb checks, bb bets, i raise, 2 callers, bb calls.

turn is a 7c. ewwwww

checks to me, i bet, co calls, bb calls.

river is the 7s. well i just trumped QJ, well go to showdown here, but for cheap.

bb bets out, i just call, co folds (diamond draw or AK/KT i guess)

he shows KK....

i show my aces and hes surprised.. apparently by my just calling the river he thought he was ahead... hell i thought i was way behind.

tough situation for the kings, but i think he played it all wrong anyways.


gotta do work now, more hands in a bit.


btw, if anyone would have played any of these differently, speak up.. im always glad to hear criticism.

7/12/2006 9:59:47 AM

Quote :

"turn is a 7c. ewwwww"

?????

I probably would have reraised on the river. What did you put him on?

7/12/2006 11:00:48 AM

Quote :

"????? I probably would have reraised on the river. What did you put him on?"

ehhh, when i have a hand like an overpair in a big multiway pot in limit, i never really like seeing cards come out that are connected in some way, more of a chance of someone making two pair to trump.

i guess i should have raised for value on the end, but it didnt seem like a big pair, it seemed more like he flopped something big.

Looking back on it, you are right though, if i had him on QJ which i initially did, i pulled ahead and should have raised, but i didnt know what to do concerning the other guy in the hand. to be honest, i guess i was trying to see a cheap showdown... as ive mentioned before, overpair play in a large multiway pot in limit really is my hugest shortcomming. i really dont know how to properly extract value while not overvaluing the hand as a whole.

7/12/2006 11:28:20 AM

ben, whats on the menu for lunch today?

[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 11:41 AM. Reason : brk]

7/12/2006 11:41:22 AM

i hope no one minds that ill probably turn this into a poker blog. ahah

im really beginning to realize that the 10/20 at the borgata is really infested with locals.

not saying thats a bad thing, several of them have exploitable holes.

but most of them are pretty damn solid.

When i got pushed to one of the main games fromt he must move last night, i sat down at a table with 6 people with whom ive played with in the 10/20 at borgata at least once in the past two weeks. its pretty frustrating to sit down to knowing that each one of these players are probably winning players. its more frustrating to have to leave a great game to sit with a bunch of local rocks.

the game was good however, there were 2 live ones, that essentially dumped chips to the entire table. one of the locals is pretty bad and a big donator in the game, while one of the ladies was mentioned in a previous post where she always ALWAYS raises with an ace and a card ten or higher, and will c-bet the flop and keep betting till you start showing strength. its exploitable when shes betting down with ace high and you pop it up on the big streets with bottom two or something.

nothing really exciting happened at this table, worked a few pots, stole one or two, had QQ hold up ina 3 way call down on a 3 to a flush and 4 to a straight board (amazing) and ended up making +20 BB in 2 hours..

that with losing a large pot with TPSK to TPGK when he 2prd up on the river with a 6 kicker.

i may go back tonight, but im really tired.

so, overall, after gas tolls food and tips, up ~$300 ish in the 4 or so hours i was there. not bad.

[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 11:45 AM. Reason : e]

[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 11:46 AM. Reason : f]

7/12/2006 11:43:22 AM

Full Tilt Poker Game #792857910: Table Eastern - $8/$16 Ante $1.50 - Limit Razz - 22:10:33 ET - 2006/07/12
Seat 2: noidroid ($155.50)
Seat 3: pugoalie ($223.50)
Seat 4: U NEEDW8 ($602.50)
Seat 5: coz30 ($124)
Seat 6: aptharry ($205.50)
Seat 7: PJSJ ($163)
Seat 8: WOLF_SPIRIT ($303.50)
PJSJ antes $1.50
noidroid antes $1.50
WOLF_SPIRIT antes $1.50
coz30 antes $1.50
aptharry antes $1.50
pugoalie antes $1.50
U NEEDW8 antes $1.50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to noidroid [2d 5h] [6h]
Dealt to pugoalie [8d]
Dealt to U NEEDW8 [Kd]
Dealt to coz30 [7s]
Dealt to aptharry [6c]
Dealt to PJSJ [6s]
Dealt to WOLF_SPIRIT [4h]
U NEEDW8 is high with [Kd]
U NEEDW8 brings in for $2
coz30 calls $2
aptharry calls $2
PJSJ completes it to $8
WOLF_SPIRIT folds
noidroid has 15 seconds left to act
noidroid raises to $16
pugoalie calls $16
U NEEDW8 folds
coz30 calls $14
aptharry raises to $24
PJSJ calls $16
noidroid raises to $32
pugoalie calls $16
coz30 calls $16
aptharry calls $8
PJSJ calls $8
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to noidroid [2d 5h 6h] [Js]
Dealt to pugoalie [8d] [Ah]
Dealt to coz30 [7s] [Ts]
Dealt to aptharry [6c] [Kh]
Dealt to PJSJ [6s] [Td]
pugoalie bets $8
coz30 calls $8
aptharry calls $8
WOLF_SPIRIT: npot folks...
PJSJ calls $8
noidroid calls $8
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to noidroid [2d 5h 6h Js] [7c]
Dealt to pugoalie [8d Ah] [Jh]
Dealt to coz30 [7s Ts] [3h]
Dealt to aptharry [6c Kh] [Qh]
Dealt to PJSJ [6s Td] [8c]
coz30 bets $16
aptharry calls $16
PJSJ calls $16
noidroid calls $16
pugoalie calls $16
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to noidroid [2d 5h 6h Js 7c] [7h]
Dealt to pugoalie [8d Ah Jh] [Ac]
Dealt to coz30 [7s Ts 3h] [Qs]
Dealt to aptharry [6c Kh Qh] [9c]
Dealt to PJSJ [6s Td 8c] [Qd]
coz30 checks
aptharry checks
PJSJ has 15 seconds left to act
PJSJ bets $16
noidroid calls $16
pugoalie folds
coz30 calls $16
aptharry calls $16
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to noidroid [2d 5h 6h Js 7c 7h] [Th]
coz30 checks
aptharry checks
PJSJ bets $16
noidroid has 15 seconds left to act
noidroid calls $16
coz30 calls $16
aptharry folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PJSJ shows [8h 4c 6s Td 8c Qd 2c] (T,8,6,4,2)
noidroid shows [Th 5h 6h Js 7c 7h 2d] (T,7,6,5,2)
coz30 shows [8s 6d 7s Ts 3h Qs 3s] (T,8,7,6,3)
noidroid wins the pot ($401.50) with T,7,6,5,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $404.50 | Rake $3
Seat 2: noidroid showed [Th 5h 6h Js 7c 7h 2d] and won ($401.50) with T,7,6,5,2
Seat 3: pugoalie folded on 6th St.
Seat 4: U NEEDW8 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: coz30 showed [8s 6d 7s Ts 3h Qs 3s] and lost with T,8,7,6,3
Seat 6: aptharry folded on 7th St.


Pot odds.




[Edited on July 12, 2006 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2006 10:18:05 PM

Damn that's nice. I was just having a convo with Mike D today about razz. I need to learn the ropes of that game.

7/12/2006 11:37:25 PM

This particular hand illustrates what happens sometimes in razz when a bunch of people get good starting hands, the deck is hurting for low cards and it's hard to make a legit hand for the showdown. I made the mistake of folding in a similiar situation to this once in a 2/4 game and learned my lesson.

I definately started the initial shitstorm with my reraise preflop(which I don't automatically do with 652 or the like), my intention was to get the two limpers to fold and get heads up. But then the retard with the 8 showing calls(bring your big guns to the big fights) and the limpers ended up having legit hands, so now we're capped 5 ways.

The odds are now ridiculous to call even if you brick on 4th and even 5th street, which builds the pot even more. On 6th the guy with [2 4][6 T 8 Q] probably shouldnt have bet into 3 people who can't fold, but he had a bit of an edge so whatever. Then on the river I get a 10 with my 7 draw and he(PJSJ) bets again. I have to call because he probably bets without making his 8, and the two draws behind me could have both missed with the deck as dry as it was. This all happens just that way, I even get an extra call from the other apparent 7 draw(coz30). He ends up with a 10-8 because he was either in there the whole way with 8-7-6, or more likely he had 7-6-3 to start and paired on 5th then made his 10 draw on 7th. Either way that guy kinda fucked up, though he could have made a better 10-7 than me on 7th and that would have sucked.


Razz is fun

7/13/2006 12:27:27 AM

We need to start up TWWSOP again. Does anyone know if sites other than stars allow for the creation of private tourneys?

7/13/2006 8:29:35 AM