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"I was simply moved by how hard he's worked to earn a scholarship and it obviously made him happy enough to cry"

Well now I change my mind...that is certainly SPECIAL.

2/3/2011 5:34:13 PM

I don't really disagree with what you're saying jbrick, but just stop being a dick about it.

[Edited on February 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM. Reason : If the guy wants to say something nice about a signee, let him. We don't care if you disagree.]

2/3/2011 5:35:51 PM

seriously, don't you emote enough in the credibility thread?

2/3/2011 5:38:01 PM

we need to come up with a cool nickname for Baumann and Sade

2/3/2011 7:37:20 PM

First:

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"Stars mean NOTHING TOB wants 3 star players that he can mold into the players that he needs. All this hype means absolutely dick."

This is horseshit. To say that stars dont mean everything is dumb, to say they mean nothing is just as dumb. Fact is 5 stars become superstars at a far higher rate than 2 and 3 stars. And nationally relevant teams dont get/stay that way by filling their rosters with 2 stars. Sometimes great coaches can make alot out of mediocre recruiting, but it is rare. And to say that TOB doesnt want the top recruits is just as ridiculous.


Second:

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"Jarvis Williams Darrell Davis Jake Vermiglio Russell Wilson Nate Irving Audie Cole J.R. Sweezy C.J. Wilson Rashard Smith Jamelle Eugene Alan-Michael Cash Ray Michel Stephen Tulloch"

ah evidence in a vacuum. First of 3, maybe 4, of these guys were gamebreakers. 1 is doing great in the NFL, 1 more has a chance to get drafted in middle rounds and maybe make it if he busts his ass. the rest were decent to good ACC players, emphasis on ACC, which is about what i expect out of well scouted 2-stars. Second, what about the rest of the 2 stars we have recruited over that time period? Think of a star rating as a probability rating, as in the chance that player will be good.

Finally, it is all good to get the diamonds in the rough, but it would be nice to get some of the diamonds that are out in the open every now and then.

i'm not trying to be gloom and doom and say we might as well forfeit the season, but you are kidding yourself if you arent a tiny bit worried about our bottom of the barrel recruiting.

[Edited on February 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM. Reason : especially afer the relatively decent season we just had]

2/3/2011 7:43:25 PM

Expecially when two of the other teams in our division brought in top 10 classes this year

2/3/2011 8:00:33 PM

^^ Sports Talk post of the year... logical, objective, great conclusions. We need more of this.

2/3/2011 8:07:20 PM

of course we all want every class to be top notch, i'm not that worried about this particular class because after 3 straight losing seasons, what is there for a recruit to e excited about? At least he's not blowing smoke up there ass that will be playing for 'ships in 2 years, we all saw how that worked out.

Now if we start having success but recruiting doesn't pick up at the same or better level then sure, we may have a recruiting problem.

2/3/2011 8:15:26 PM

^^i find it impossible to tell if you are being sarcastic

2/3/2011 8:18:02 PM

not at all

2/3/2011 8:29:15 PM

^^^if recruits cant be excited by one of our best fball seasons ever that still ended up being disappointing, what hope do we have?

^thx then

2/3/2011 8:33:13 PM

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"Now if we start having success but recruiting doesn't pick up at the same or better level then sure, we may have a recruiting problem."

If we win the recruiting will take care of itself.

2/3/2011 8:42:17 PM

Jaybee approval is extremely rare. Print out that post, laminate it, frame it, hang it on your office wall. Then one day, far in the future, get your grandkids on your lap and tell them about it.

2/3/2011 8:44:34 PM

The class fills a huge need. Also, don't forget we'll have 4 years of players in addition to class on the field as well. This one class does not define us.

No sense in getting bent out of shape on one class

[Edited on February 3, 2011 at 8:50 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2011 8:49:19 PM

I just realized CJ Wilson was on that list of notable two star recruits. Way to ruin the wrong point you were trying to make.

2/3/2011 8:57:15 PM

Beyond the MD game, I don't remember him being that bad

2/3/2011 9:06:42 PM

he was pretty bad all season honestly

2/3/2011 9:14:01 PM

i mean our secondary has been the key to pretty much all of our losses over the last few years.

and with the gloom and doom, it almost seems like we didnt just have a 9 win season that was a few chokes (umd/ecu) away from playing the acc championship game and a 10-12 win season.

2/3/2011 9:24:30 PM

Our secondary will be our strength next year...especially with Smith & Byrd

Another strength will be that excuse for an offensive line you saw this year. At least, that's generally what happens the year after you start a bunch of sophmores

2/3/2011 9:46:01 PM

Butch Davis to the NCAA:

2/3/2011 11:50:03 PM

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"we need to come up with a cool nickname for Baumann and Sade"

Das Boots?

Think you will win the field position game? BS

2/3/2011 11:55:18 PM

Ka-kawski?

2/3/2011 11:56:20 PM

^^he just answered his own question... again? i've only been around a few years, did he used to be good?

2/4/2011 12:07:37 AM

^ he just questioned his own statement

2/4/2011 12:55:53 AM

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"seems everyone has forgotten how bad our kicking punting game has been. I mean that was our most glaring weakness all last season."

Fixed it for you.

Our field-goal kicking game has been pretty solid actually thanks to Josh Czajkowski. The past two seasons he has been 30 for 38 on field goal attempts - notably 10 for 10 on field goals in the 40-49 yards range.

Just didn't want Czajkowski to get thrown under the bus.

[Edited on February 4, 2011 at 10:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/4/2011 10:11:35 AM

Quote :

"I don't really disagree with what you're saying jbrick, but just stop being a dick about it."

I just found it odd to be reduced to tears because a recruit put in some extra gym time to get a scholarship to a better program. This kid was going to get a free education and play football regardless. Now he gets to do it in the ACC. *golf clap

"Inspirational" stories to me are the ones like Dajuan Morgan's when he got into that really bad car accident, lost his offer to OSU, and was questionable whether he would ever play again. And hello...Tremain Hall.

And I'm not trying to be negative about recruiting, but I don't think anyone can truly be "excited" about this class. You can be excited about individual players, but as a whole, it's a weak class. That being said, I'm not worried about it unless it happens again next year. We SUCKED last year in football and I think that in combination with not having a lot of schollies available anyways is why this year's class was weak. But we had an above average year and our recruiting next year should reflect that. We HAVE to do better in-state. Not getting any of NC's top 30 players is pathetic.

I also 100% agree with this post:

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"ah evidence in a vacuum. First of 3, maybe 4, of these guys were gamebreakers. 1 is doing great in the NFL, 1 more has a chance to get drafted in middle rounds and maybe make it if he busts his ass. the rest were decent to good ACC players, emphasis on ACC, which is about what i expect out of well scouted 2-stars. Second, what about the rest of the 2 stars we have recruited over that time period? Think of a star rating as a probability rating, as in the chance that player will be good. Finally, it is all good to get the diamonds in the rough, but it would be nice to get some of the diamonds that are out in the open every now and then. i'm not trying to be gloom and doom and say we might as well forfeit the season, but you are kidding yourself if you arent a tiny bit worried about our bottom of the barrel recruiting."

And I'm also going to rip some stuff I saw on PackPride to evidence why I'm not worried about recruiting too much...I just don't think we can do that well with last place ACC classes. I'd love to get top 10 classes, but I think we can get a great program with top 20-40 classes:

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"TOB's recruiting rankings since 2002: 2002 - #55, 2 ****, star average 1.70 2003 - #27, 1 ****, star average 2.58 2004 - #42, 1 *****, star average 2.45 2005 - #58, 1 ****, star average 2.38 2006 - #44, 0 ****, star average 2.40 Moved to NC State 2007 - BC class #50, 3 ****, average 2.72 2007 - NC State class #60, 1 ****, star average 2.32 2008 - #29, 5 ****, star average 3.00 2009 - #39, 2 ****, star average 2.63 2010 - #47, 1 *****, 1 ****, star average 2.89 2011 - #73, 0 ****, star average 2.50 Records for TOB and BC since 2002: BC 2002 - 8-4 2003 - 8-5 2004 - 9-3(#21 in both polls) 2005 - 9-3(#17 and #18) 2006 - 10-3 (#20 and #20) TOB left, BC kept winning but is tapering off now 4 years removed from TOB 2007 - 11-3(#11 and #10) 2008 - 9-5 2009 - 8-5 2010 - 7-6 NC State 2007 - 5-7 2008 - 6-7 2009 - 5-7 2010 - 9-4 (#25 and #25)"

And this one:

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"2010 ACC Champ - VT previous 5 years' recruiting ranking (conference) - Per Rivals 4th (2010) 4th (2009) 4th (2008) 7th (2007) 6th (2006) 2009 ACC Champ - GT 8th (2009) 9th (2008) 3rd (2007) 11th (2006) 11th (2005) 2008 - VT 4th (2008) 7th (2007) 6th (2006) 3rd (2005) 8th (2004) 2007 - Also VT 7th (2007) 6th (2006) 3rd (2005) 8th (2004) 7th (2003) 2006 - Wake Forest 12th (2006) 12th (2005) 12th (2004) 10th (2003) 12th (2002)"

After reading those, I was like, "damn, that's kind of ridiculous." At the same time, classes ranked 70/80 won't get it done...but 20-40 will be fine.

2/4/2011 10:50:49 AM

for fuck's sake can nobody be a fan anymore?

HE WAS TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT A SIGNEE. WHO CARES WHETHER IT WAS 100% GROUNDED IN REALITY. STOP BEING A DEBBIE DOWNER ABOUT EVERYTHING.

2/4/2011 10:58:41 AM

I'm not worried about recruiting improving in 2012. We had a good, winning season this year and finished the season ranked. Stronger recruiting classes usually are 1 year delayed from the winning season.

TOB said it himself:

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"“There is a perception and excitement about recruiting, and after losing for three years, we had no buzz about us one way or another,” O’Brien said. “I think the most important number for us this year is No. 25, being ranked at the end of the year. You can talk about who and what you are [to the recruits], but if you haven’t won or demonstrated that you can do that, then you are going to have trouble exciting kids to be part of your program.”"

2/4/2011 11:04:43 AM

I think Clemson is about to steal Clowney from the gamecoots. That could put Clemson in the top 5...ACC recruiting is on the upswing, that's for sure. i think TOB will see the fruits of 2010 next year. we'll see what happens...

2/4/2011 11:13:01 AM

also, have we recruited this kid?

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"Keith Marshall is a top-ranked junior prospect from Raleigh, NC. He has already accepted to play in next year's Under Armour All-America game and will be a 5 star when the ranking are released. According to the Raleigh News Observer: "There are hundreds of high school runners who can match those numbers(1,539 yards) but very few, if any, who can equal his 4.25 seconds, his time in the 40-yard dash. He has broken 4.30 a couple of times and consistently breaks 4.35, which makes him one on the country's fastest football players - with the emphasis on football. He is no track and field star who also plays football." Clemson has already offered Keith Marshall for next year's 2012 class as well as most top programs."

nevermind, i see that we have offered him. that would be a sweet signee next year...

[Edited on February 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

2/4/2011 11:27:40 AM

Don't count on it

2/4/2011 11:32:00 AM

^ bingo. This kid can go anywhere he wants. I think he has SEC written all over him.

2/4/2011 11:38:09 AM

Yeah no interest in us. He's SEC-bound.

2/4/2011 11:43:05 AM

Maybe if we won the ACC next year and went to a BCS bowl that might at least get us into the conversation.

2/4/2011 11:43:32 AM

oh, i know its not realistic. it would just be great to sign a 5-star all american hometown kid.

2/4/2011 11:49:52 AM

It's not out of the question. Toney Baker played in the Army All-American Game.

2/4/2011 11:56:11 AM

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"And hello...Tremain Hall."

see i find this kid more inspirational than tramain hall. the only thing that happened with hall was he didn't take the florida exit exam (required in FL). He enrolled here, which then made him ineligible according to the NCAA rules. He didn't overcome anything, and his situation could have easily been avoided.

2/4/2011 1:59:03 PM

I think if get the the ACC Championship game we could have a chance at a big time running back next year. We have a really deep OL platoon and if they can prove that they can run block for Mustafa, ....

2/4/2011 2:23:03 PM

^ yes, its the OL & DL prospects that get my hopes up more than any skill positions

2/4/2011 2:24:08 PM

^It's the OL and DL prospects that really begin a solid team.

A great line can make an ok running back look fantastic
and great QB can make average receivers look like NFL prospects
and the defensive backfield can get away with being more marginal as the defensive line can get better and better pressure on the opposing QB without the need for high risk blitzes etc...

They are the unsung heroes of football, don't hate

2/4/2011 2:40:03 PM

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"see i find this kid more inspirational than tramain hall. the only thing that happened with hall was he didn't take the florida exit exam (required in FL). He enrolled here, which then made him ineligible according to the NCAA rules. He didn't overcome anything, and his situation could have easily been avoided."

He stuck with us when he could have easily gone somewhere else and played sooner. He was committed to NC State...and as a five-star recruit, he would have been accepted with open arms anywhere. And although it was his fault, he was a good student and would have had no trouble qualifying.

I'm not saying that I don't like this kid...I'm just saying that all it says is that he's a gym rat. Shit, I hope all our kids are gym rats.

2/4/2011 2:40:24 PM

wow, the early news on 2012 looks really promising still. Also looks like, potentially, we may be experiencing the cyclic nature of in-state recruiting wins. A lot of the elite North Carolina talent has us as early favorites. Whereas last year, it was all UNC.... UNCCHeat

2/8/2011 1:31:15 PM

are there any freshman that redshirted this year that should see some decent mins next year? creecy? teal? box? underwood?

2/8/2011 1:41:41 PM

I have a feeling that Teal will not only see the field but be a solid contributor. He's big and really fast for a DT.

I would imagine Underwood plays but i'm also excited to see Tobias Palmer

2/8/2011 2:23:19 PM

^^^where are you seeing who has us as early favorites in 2012?

2/8/2011 2:32:31 PM

I don't know about Teal. He has Sweezy, Slay, Kuhn, and Cato-Bishop all playing ahead of him. Unless he's some 'diamond in the rough' phenomenon, I see him making more of an impact in 2012.

The RS freshmen that I've got on the two-deep for 2011 are Chandler, Box, and Brosius. Everyone else is 3rd string and/or special teams.

Underwood could possibly be used in spot duty as a slot receiver. Tobias Palmer will be a RS junior.

2/8/2011 3:05:03 PM

the early reports on pp are just more positive for this year than they were last year (where they were really bad and a lot of kids liked unc early and we saw how that played out)

We already have 2 commits, a couple other big names who are heavily interested in us and might commit early (Dan Beilinson and K'Hadree Hooker), a couple BIG TIME recruits who we have a shot at thanks to family ties (Noah Spence and Avery Young) and a lot of OL targets that like us. It just has the makings of a good class early. Also add in that Fre'shad Hunter should be on target to graduate from Georgia Military and rejoin us if everything works out...

2/8/2011 5:48:08 PM

one of torian box's 3 "strengths" on scout include "nasty streak".

2/8/2011 8:41:48 PM

The first thing that stood out to me when I saw Box's film was his footwork.

2/8/2011 8:51:50 PM

damnit. I just watch 2010 highlights. Good stuff. Bring on 2011. Is it too early to get excited?

2/8/2011 10:25:17 PM