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"I wonder why that's considered more "normal" than Wright"

I dislike both, but Rev. Wright, to be blunt, is a racist and a loon. While Palin's pastor is just a loon.

9/3/2008 5:33:27 PM

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" Whether it will be enough for McCain is tough to see. I don't seem him riding this wave to november, but it may damage Obama enough to give him a better chance. Of course, it can all backfire on him too, but then he's really no worse than he was before, as we are constantly reminded, 2nd place doesn't count for anything in the elections anymore."

Riding what wave? Obama is up in the polls, and McCain is down post Palin.

You have radio DJs making fun of Palin in a derogatory way, her face is all over supermarket tabloids like she was Britney Spears, and now no one can really talk about her without mocking her. It's kind of like Bill Clinton, certain people may respect him, and he may be worthy of respect, but no one thinks about him without also thinking about the Lewinsky scandal. Who's to say Gore wouldn't have won the 2000 election if it wasn't for that one marital infidelity?

And I don't really think this is a "normal people" problem that normal people can relate to. Most people know someone who's had a kid out of wedlock, or have a friend of family member who has a teen pregnancy, but that doesn't mean they don't look down on those people in secret, or wonder where their parents went wrong (because isn't that what people always wonder in those situations?).

And peoples' private thoughts have a bigger effect on how they vote than what they say publicly I imagine (which could mean that Obama's numbers are inflated because someone who is racist won't say that in a survey, but they may vote that way).

The main point though is that so far, there is no sign this is helping McCain. It could turn out like you described, but it could easily be very bad here on out for McCain.

But, in this race so far, no one event has lasted more than a week, and there are several weeks left yet.

9/3/2008 5:41:46 PM

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"i'm beginning to think i woulda liked huckabee more than this chick "

Palin makes HuckaFuck seem like a liberal

9/3/2008 5:42:00 PM

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"You have radio DJs making fun of Palin in a derogatory way, her face is all over supermarket tabloids like she was Britney Spears, and now no one can really talk about her without mocking her."

Who do radio DJs not deride? But again, this is precisely my point. It's Palin that's all over the news not Obama. Again, this week should have been fawning over what a uniter Obama was with his rousing speech to bring all the Hillary supporters together with is supporters, but it isn't. Obama isn't anywhere on the news at all except standing up there going "Hey... hey guys... lets not .... you know... bring family into this... hey you guys... hey..."

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"And I don't really think this is a "normal people" problem that normal people can relate to. Most people know someone who's had a kid out of wedlock, or have a friend of family member who has a teen pregnancy, but that doesn't mean they don't look down on those people in secret, or wonder where their parents went wrong (because isn't that what people always wonder in those situations?)."

Right, but most normal people also say to themselves some variation on "there but for the grace of god go I". Most people can relate to either knowing or being someone with a teen daughter who was pregnant, and while they may still look down on someone for it, most people would never wish to see the media hound and ground out that story on the 6 o'clock news.

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"The main point though is that so far, there is no sign this is helping McCain. It could turn out like you described, but it could easily be very bad here on out for McCain. "

Oh it's absolutely a dangerous move that could cement McCains loss, but as I said, he has nothing to lose, he was already going to lose, and no VP pick short of Jesus Christ himself (and even then, there would be hell to pay) would save McCain. As was mentioned previously, VPs traditionally don't matter much, but Palin matters, it's just a matter of who she hurts more.

9/3/2008 6:03:25 PM

http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php

McCAin's vetting process?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno
Someone left Noonan's (a regan conservative) mic on while she was bashing McCain's choice of Palin.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 6:28:47 PM

^AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!


oh wait, no, it was fucking stupid

9/3/2008 6:30:32 PM

no, you were right the first time. That's funny as shit

9/3/2008 6:33:30 PM

woulda been more funny if it were real

9/3/2008 6:40:39 PM

I've heard that there's been some rumblings that McCain could remove her from the ticket.

anyone got anything on that?

9/3/2008 6:52:15 PM

CNN had some news stories including the question of whether or not she should be removed, and quoting people saying she should be.

Some liberal blogs have suggested she was picked as a possible bait and switch candidate.

Those are the only 2 area's Ive seen such rumblings, but nothing very serious yet.


I think mostly people just don't know who she is or anything about her.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/guess-whos-celebrity-now.html

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"Since her name was announced as John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin has generated more US-based internet search traffic than Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Michael Phelps and Barack Obama combined:"

9/3/2008 6:56:48 PM

ah, ok thanks.

but about the search graph, that's kind of a meaningless trend, considering the history of search metrics, and especially since it's focusing attention on what will obviously be the lone outlier several months from now.

9/3/2008 7:06:57 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.investigation/index.html

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"(CNN) -- Republican vice presidential pick Sarah Palin has asked Alaska's Personnel Board to take over an investigation -- currently being handled by the state Legislature -- into her July firing of the state's public safety commissioner, her lawyer said Wednesday. Palin's attorney, Thomas Van Flein, filed complaint papers Monday night with the state attorney general's office to request the investigation be taken out of the hands of the Legislature. ... There was no immediate response from state Sen. Hollis French, who is managing the investigation launched in July by the bipartisan Legislative Council "

I didn't use undue political influence in troopergate, and to prove it I'll have a small 3 person board appointed by a republican to determine my innocence rather than the standard constitutional check & balance of allowing the legislative branch to conduct investigations into the actions of an executive position!

She's barely had any executive experience and she's already trying to expand that executive privilege.

I've heard she refuses participate, testify, or allow anyone else under her to testify until she takes control of who is running the investigation.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 7:07:03 PM

welp, that settles it: she'll fit right it.

9/3/2008 7:09:03 PM

cuz, as noted before, nobody knows who the fuck she is.

9/3/2008 7:17:29 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/03/hot-mic-catches-gop-strategists-trashing-palin-pick/

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" (CNN) – Prominent Republican analysts Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy became the latest victims of an open microphone Wednesday, caught after a segment on MSNBC trashing John McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break. “I come out of the blue swing-state governor world, Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney,” Murphy said during the mishap which has since been posted on YouTube. Murphy later flatly says of the pick, "It's not going to work." Noonan is heard going even further, saying of the presidential race, "It's over." "I think they went for this — excuse me– political bulls–t about narratives," Noonan also said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it." Murphy, who was a senior adviser to John McCain's 2000 presidential bid, also adds, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical." "

So its not just the left thinking this?

9/3/2008 8:35:02 PM

^ Video of this event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno

9/3/2008 8:39:25 PM

"Political Bullshit"

I fucking love it.

9/3/2008 8:41:52 PM

wow

I like this comment from the blogs:

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"With all due respect to his war record, McCain / Palin campaign has become a joke after 2 1/2 business days."

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 8:42:23 PM

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k

This show is awesome! If only it didn't have real, tangible consequences...

9/3/2008 11:43:50 PM

MOTHER, MOOSEHUNTER, MAVERICK

WHAT THE FUCK????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7swzN6T-38

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ,]

9/4/2008 3:33:37 PM

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"Who do radio DJs not deride? But again, this is precisely my point. It's Palin that's all over the news not Obama. Again, this week should have been fawning over what a uniter Obama was with his rousing speech to bring all the Hillary supporters together with is supporters, but it isn't. Obama isn't anywhere on the news at all except standing up there going "Hey... hey guys... lets not .... you know... bring family into this... hey you guys... hey...""

I'd rather not be in the news at all than to get the kind of coverage that Palin is getting.

9/4/2008 3:44:43 PM

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html

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"Westmoreland calls Obama ‘uppity' By Mike Soraghan Posted: 09/04/08 03:07 PM [ET] Georgia Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland used the racially-tinged term "uppity" to describe Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Thursday. Westmoreland was discussing vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's speech with reporters outside the House chamber and was asked to compare her with Michelle Obama. "Just from what little I’ve seen of her and Mr. Obama, Sen. Obama, they're a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that they're uppity," Westmoreland said. Asked to clarify that he used the word “uppity,” Westmoreland said, “Uppity, yeah.” Other Democrats have charged that the Republican campaign to paint the Illinois senator as an “elitist” is racially charged, and accused them of using code words for “uppity” without using the word itself."

9/4/2008 4:14:55 PM

hmm I never associated "uppity" with racism

I've heard it used before, but never in that context

9/4/2008 4:21:10 PM

It's roughly along the lines of calling a black man "boy" in terms of its likelihood of being taken in a disparaging manner.

9/4/2008 4:23:52 PM

Calling a black person uppity is the definition of racism. It means that dumb ol' negro thinks he is too big for his britches, he should just leave all that important stuff for us white folks.

9/4/2008 4:27:38 PM

that makes so much sense

go tell all your black friends that. they'll give you "props"

9/4/2008 4:32:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_v3T0HVXY

9/4/2008 4:38:23 PM

my stomach is racist. i have diarrhea every time i eat mexican food.

9/4/2008 4:39:31 PM

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"GhostlyPapaya (1 day ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply my stomach is racist. i have diaherria everytime i eat mexican food. "

You are quite the copy and paster today ain't ya. Try coming up with something unique for once.

9/4/2008 4:41:44 PM

ok i got 1:

Community Organizers.

9/4/2008 4:44:23 PM

uppity is definitely discriminatory in context.

it literally describes "someone who doesn't know their place"

but it can apply equally to women as well as minorities.

its one of those things when said, that you know is founded in racist thought, but you can't really do much of anything about it, except bitch.

like when Jesse Helms was "whistlin' Dixie" in the elevator.

9/4/2008 4:48:36 PM

I gotta hand it to ya Schmoe...

you really have a knack for representing the opinions of most americans out there. you'd make a fine leader and representative of our human race.

9/4/2008 4:58:33 PM

get your lips off my nut.




[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 5:25:48 PM

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" up·pi·ty (p-t) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down" New York Times. [From up.] uppi·ty·ness n. uppity Adjective Informal snobbish, arrogant, or presumptuous [up + fanciful ending] "

Hmm, which one fits in context with what she was saying, with what Republicans have been saying? Right, just more bullshit.

9/4/2008 6:11:48 PM

The history of the word is deeply rooted in racism. It comes from the idea that blacks are at the bottom and any black that tries to not be at the bottom is considered uppity.

9/4/2008 6:48:25 PM

history of the world? did the blacks in africa who sold black slaves to whites think they themselves were at the bottom? or are you just pulling the race card any chance you get

9/4/2008 6:55:25 PM

do you know what "word" means? It's obvious that you do not.

9/4/2008 6:56:16 PM

lollin

9/4/2008 6:57:38 PM

Good lord.....

apparently everything is racist now.

9/4/2008 6:58:23 PM

^^^i thought you said world...sorry

^yep...if you don't like Obama you're a racist...if you don't like Palin however, you're not a sexist...no that "logic" doesn't transition to the other side

9/4/2008 7:01:54 PM

no one said anything like that.

Are you defending the usage of the word uppity?

9/4/2008 7:03:41 PM

"i thought you said world"

i repeated it, and this time i boldfaced a word so you'd understand

i'm not defending the use of the word uppity, i made a mistake and thought you said 'world' and not 'word'

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 7:09 PM. Reason : in fairness you do make a lot of spelling errors and typos]

9/4/2008 7:05:25 PM

I would have to see the full context, but in modern usage, uppity definitely has racist/sexist/-ist undertones against the group it's used against.

What if I said that uppity pot-smoker treetwista thinks he can discuss politics? Do you really think i mean elitist or snobbish? Does anyone take the word to mean this?

Uppity atheist: http://www.nmmng.co.uk/45b3068f Atheist who don't know their place trying to change the religious establishment
uppity Negro Network: http://uppitynegronetwork.wordpress.com/ facetious titled website discussing black issues
uppity music http://www.uppitymusic.com/ website about black music
uppity women http://www.uppitywomen.net/ feminist website
Book titled uppity women about women who seized their destiny http://www.amazon.com/Uppity-Women-Ancient-Times-Vicki/dp/1573240109
video where spike lee is called uppity http://gawker.com/tag/videuhoh/?i=395265&t=msnbc-reporter-calls-spike-lee-uppity

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"up·pi·ty (p-t) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station"

I guess the question is what station did she think obama was assuming liberties beyond? It was a poor choice of words, that could have been accidental, or it could have been on purpose.

9/4/2008 9:50:19 PM

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"What if I said that uppity pot-smoker treetwista thinks he can discuss politics? Do you really think i mean elitist or snobbish? Does anyone take the word to mean this?"

I think you do mean elitist or snobbish but I don't think theres any racial connotation

Obviously as links in this thread have shown, there is a racial origin to the word, but lots of word meanings change over time

9/4/2008 9:53:58 PM

^ In that context there wouldn't be any racial connotation, but it does offend pot smokers merely for smoking pot.

9/4/2008 9:54:48 PM

why you guys gotta be gettin all niggardly with your commentary?

what????

niggardly is a perfectly good word.

dont get uppity with me.

9/4/2008 10:14:55 PM

If you need some good met (poor man's coke) it turns out Palin's city Wasila is a great place to go:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html:

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"The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers. In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team. Officials with the Office of Children's Services in Wasilla said the problem affects children. The office receives about 40 calls a month from people reporting abuse or neglect involving some aspect of the highly addictive drug."

9/4/2008 10:16:05 PM

chicago is the meth capitol of illinois

oh noes

its also the crack capitol, the heroin capitol, the PCP capitol

do i need to continue?

9/4/2008 10:24:41 PM

^ So what are you saying, Obama has more executive experience than Palin?

9/4/2008 10:37:04 PM

i'm saying your story about the meth capital of alaska is...i cant think of a strong enough synonym to verbally explain the retardation

9/4/2008 10:38:26 PM