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"^hey fucktard, i posted that over a month ago, do YOUR research. Also, thats not even the statistic I was referencing."

well then what randomly generated statistics are you talking about? the premium? i've done extensive research on ASUS vs. Apple just 2 months ago for a non-profit wanting to know the cost/value comparison between the two. you pay more for what you get in terms of features, reliability, cost of support, etc. the only thing that you can't factor into statistics is personal preference.

just say it's your personal preference and there'd be no qualms with that. hey i'm all for the right tool for the job, but if you are just looking for a laptop to use for general usage and no other requirements, then you have to base your research on tangibles like price, features, warranty, reliability, support, etc.

i don't know why you're so upset over this. do the research yourself and you'd know i'm not "randomly generating statistics".

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 6:27:46 PM

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"ASUS laptops are on average 20% less for the same hardware and have a higher reliability rating than Apple"

I'm not upset about anything, on the contrary, I'm very happy with what I'm using to post this.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 6:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 6:33:51 PM

Noen who pissed in your cornflakes? you make points and then when someone comes back with any sort of valid rebuttal to your proclamations you immediately accuse them of missing the point.

my comments were almost exclusively about touch interfaces and screen interfaces as a whole, if that is somehow massive device integration then you completely missed my point about it mostly being a new access point to existing devices.

Ahmet

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"Oh yeah, 10 years down the road, everything will be compatible with everything else, and there'll just be major device categories. Oh, also by the year 2010, we'll have flying cars, perpetual energy devices and will have colonized Mars... Oh wait."

apparently speculation now warrants ridicule, gg jackass. oh, not only are things already in these very general groupings (smartphones, tablets, netbooks, laptops, desktops, and larger LCD/plasma tvs) and WiFi/bluetooth. fucking prick.


now i'm sure both of you will now resume your regularly scheduled juvenile pretentiousness.

back to it being a new interesting tool.

1/28/2010 6:36:38 PM

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"now i'm sure both of you will now resume your regularly scheduled juvenile pretentiousness."

I would hardly label Ahmet as someone who posts in here regularly lol

1/28/2010 6:38:40 PM

true enough.... it did seem out of character...

damnit guys this is tech talk, have a level of decency. fucking hell.

1/28/2010 6:40:41 PM

^hahaha...while i totally agree with you, sadly tech talk is the place where decency comes to get its ass kicked and die.

1/28/2010 6:41:36 PM

i would expect that in chitchat, or even in sports talk. but really? REALLY?

1/28/2010 6:42:56 PM

technophiles = knowledgeable = opinionated = arrogant = juvenile pretentiousness

we're almost as bad as doctors. we think we know everything and nobody can teach us anything.

forgot to add, most users are male, and dammit we're always right.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 6:46:42 PM

you forgot to add: We also don't like to ask for directions because we're never lost.

1/28/2010 6:47:58 PM

i might actually wander into Chit Chat just to read the iPad thread... wonder what they're discussing over there.... probably still wondering if it'll fit in their pockets.

1/28/2010 6:51:52 PM

lol, honestly a lot of peoples high expectations were rather brought down to earth. like they are for every keynote just about. amazing that people can still that hyped up over something.

it's still a interesting device that will probably expand the tablet market several times over, which is good for everyone.

example: do you really think ms would have bothered with a zune or zune hd if apple hadn't come up with the ipod and ipod touch/iphone?

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 6:55 PM. Reason : s]

1/28/2010 6:53:37 PM

Magical.

1/28/2010 7:01:31 PM

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"Quote : " believe it or not, Apple is not the first to announce a slate computer like this. it seems Apple is coming out with their device at about the same time as everyone else." Did you read the rest of my post where I mentioned the Archos that's already out, and the already announced competitors from Asus and HP? Or did you just read the first sentence. "

The archos is a good product for video, but it has an inferior quality screen which is going to make the iPad more suited as a eBook reader.

1/28/2010 7:19:26 PM

I am baffled people don't believe you pay a significant markup for the shiny apple on the case of any machine you buy from them. ESPECIALLY in the laptop market.

I purchased the largest available iMac (screen size) for 1500 bucks from the Apple store. I then priced a full PC from newegg, including case, power supply, and dual 24 inch monitors. All parts were faster (cpu) and bigger (RAM, HDD) and all were quality name brands.

It came out to 1200. not to mention it included a fucking keyboard and mouse that were worth a shit.

you pay for the name on all apple products, bottom line.

What do you think would happen if they allowed OSX to run on any hardware? They would be out of the computer selling business. I could have gotten twice the machine for less cost and had the same experience, if not better.

1/28/2010 8:49:39 PM

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"who pissed in your cornflakes? you make points and then when someone comes back with any sort of valid rebuttal to your proclamations you immediately accuse them of missing the point. my comments were almost exclusively about touch interfaces and screen interfaces as a whole, if that is somehow massive device integration then you completely missed my point about it mostly being a new access point to existing devices. "

What? Prospero and I are having a pretty good back and forth (I think anyway) with lots of validity on both sides. I don't know what you're reading.

You haven't even made any noteworthy comments, why would you think I was talking to you at all?

1/28/2010 8:53:16 PM

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"...since when do people buy cell phones solely because they are the best at making phone calls? they don't. they buy phones based on features, cool factor, how it looks, how good the phone carrier is, etc. heck, if it doesn't sync with email i know people that wouldn't buy a phone solely because of that."

Exactly man. It's not about specialized functionality, it's about specialized experiences. You can count me in that crowd of email->phone decision makers. But that's even more my point. Telling me a device can do "anything" isn't a selling point for anyone. Telling me a device DOES what I want it to do, is. And very few (I'd actually venture to say none) devices, phones or otherwise, that promise the former actually deliver the latter.

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"i'd argue true camera geeks buy cameras based on how well it takes pictures and ALWAYS have done that, to professional photographers, i think GPS tagging & HD video are features they can live without if it means buying a camera that's better at taking pictures. i think it entirely depends on the individual and the usage."

Here's where market scale and data disagrees with you. The "geeks" of any market segment are a TINY subset of the revenue of that market. Very very few manufacturers actually aim to meet the needs of the "geek" (RED is a great exception to this rule). It's the median population who wants to feel like a pro that they are selling to, and those folks have completely different wants.

With cameras, geotagging and video are features borne out of market demand, not from a technology push. It doesn't ever mean "everyone wants X", but it does mean that more people do who are willing to pay for it, than there are folks who don't care and will avoid the purchase because of it.

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" and while the trend has happened over the last X amount of years, i don't see it's a trend that's going to stop, nobody wants more devices after waiting so long for devices that do it all. ... this is based on education (of technology) and preference. i for one do not find carrying multiple devices "fun" certainly if they lack functionality. "

You can say this all you want, but the DATA disagrees. Specialization in electronics is growing and becoming more and more profitable. It's not necessarily that people want more devices, it's that they want more EXPERIENCES, and those experiences require different devices.

I would guess that you have 5-7 different electronic information devices that you use on a regular basis, and probably enjoy the experience with all of them. A watch for exercising, an iPhone, a netbook, a laptop, a desktop, a home theatre, and a digital camera. There's 7 devices, that, by your opinion should make your life miserable.

1/28/2010 9:07:55 PM

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"I purchased the largest available iMac (screen size) for 1500 bucks from the Apple store. I then priced a full PC from newegg, including case, power supply, and dual 24 inch monitors. All parts were faster (cpu) and bigger (RAM, HDD) and all were quality name brands. It came out to 1200."

Does it run OS X?
No? oh, then I'm not interested.

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"What do you think would happen if they allowed OSX to run on any hardware?"

Well for one, OS X would be as buggy, bloated and kludgey as Windows is.

1/28/2010 9:10:30 PM

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"Does it run OS X? No? oh, then I'm not interested. "

Yes, it does actually.

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"Well for one, OS X would be as buggy, bloated and kludgey as Windows is."

It already supports close to 80% of modern PC hardware. Allowing it to run on non-Apple hardware is a political decision, not a technological one. And it's already plenty buggy and bloated. OSX is just as buggy as every other product of it's scale. kludgey is in the eye of the beholder.

1/28/2010 9:26:03 PM

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"I am baffled people don't believe you pay a significant markup"

how many people actually think the price isn't higher? it takes a full 30 seconds to scan a price list to see the difference... people buy them for plenty of reasons, and only one of those reasons would be a shiny apple

1/28/2010 9:37:14 PM

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"Does it run OS X? No? oh, then I'm not interested. "

It can and does. Ever heard of a Hackintosh? Its not a hack because of some special voodoo to make it work, its like Noen said, political.

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"Well for one, OS X would be as buggy, bloated and kludgey as Windows is."

Time to get up to date in the OS wars.

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"people buy them for plenty of reasons, and only one of those reasons would be a shiny apple"

First, way to chop a sentence in half to attempt to make a point.

Second, aside from the OS and shinny apple, please give me one of these many reasons?

----

ill give you the reason I got one. I wanted to develop games for the touch/iPhone. Only possible on OSX and not for a legit reason.


[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM. Reason : *]

1/28/2010 9:52:25 PM

okay here's your whole sentence

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"I am baffled people don't believe you pay a significant markup for the shiny apple on the case of any machine you buy from them."

see my last post for the exact same response.
reasons ?

I prefer OS X, overall. Apple machines come with OS X, legally, and the upgrades are cheap, especially with SL's pricing to upgrade from Leopard. The UI is worlds better, and yes this is a personal preference. Until I basically destroyed my MBP, which took a good amount of accidental effort, I rarely needed to force an application to quit. I have to do this often on a certain other family of OS. I'll even admit for you that I do like the design of several of Apple's machines and that this does influence my preferences. Many non-Macs have been trying to make their own machines more pleasing to the eye. On the other hand, has Microsoft left a bad enough taste in my mouth to prefer OS X over Windows right of the bat? Absolutely. The preference comes easy to me. Do I love Apple's pricing? Of course not. My desktop is a custom-built Windows/Ubuntu box for a reason.

1/28/2010 10:05:04 PM

I think most people are missing the real genius of the iPad. It does one thing really well, surf the net. Flicking, pinching and touch webpages is a much better experience than mouse and keyboard. Also, did anyone notice how fast it renders and animates webpages? I can live with single tasking device as long as its doing the one thing I am interested in really fast. This is the real feature that I see. They have created what could be considered the best internet device ever. I hate to sound like a Apple fanboy but I think the iPad is a game changer.

I think its going to redefine computing. I think that this device is not only going to carve out a niche segment between iPhone and PC, I think its going to eventually become bigger than even Laptops (give it 10 years). A device that changes the paradigm of mouse and keyboard to a simpler interface of touch only is what we are talking about. Touch interface to computers is going to be a slow shift but it is going to happen, the iPad is just the kickstart.

Like Steve Jobs said, netbooks only exist because they are cheap laptops, not because they do anything better than a laptop. The iPad interface of touching and pinching to browse the net will become the standard. On top of all this, the apps will put this thing over the top. You think you have seen some neat stuff on the iPhone, wait till developers get their hands on a 10'' touch screen.

I think people will eventually move away from using laptops at home and migrate towards simpler tablet products. I mean when you get home from work, you don't want to sit in front of anther computer for several more hours do you? You want to use the internet, but in the most convenient easiest to use form. That is the iPad.

You heard it hear first kids. Come back and read this post in 5 years and you will realize that I know what the fuck I am talking about.

1/28/2010 10:14:15 PM

speaking of ^

http://bit.ly/dmZCqY

Post at UsabilityPost discussing misconceptions about the iPad. Pretty well thought out article. I'm not saying it's all correct but I have made the same observation that people think it's literally "just a big Touch". Don't get me wrong, I think Apple could have done much better and I'm not springing for v1 more than likely. I do think it'd be fun to mess around with.. and if they add a few more things I'd probably consider v2.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2010 10:21:52 PM

Just did my daily rounds of websites and email while watching tv. Definitely would have preferred to do that on a tablet rather than laptop.

This is going to be another ipod or iphone. Yesterday after the announcement, everyone at work was panning the device and complaining about shit they don't even use. Today, everyone is on board because they went home and realized it would be their main browsing device at home.

Also, I have no problem owning all the devices -- laptop to get work done on the go, iphone while on the go, tablet for sitting on the couch (desktop is pretty much dead in the home). Out of those 3 situations, the last one is actually the biggest market. Shit, this could be even bigger than ipod or iphone.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ^^ then they scroll back 2 pages and see where I posted the same thing ]

1/28/2010 10:21:56 PM

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"What do you think would happen if they allowed OSX to run on any hardware? They would be out of the computer selling business. I could have gotten twice the machine for less cost and had the same experience, if not better. "

YOU might could get the same experience (when you delude yourself about what it actually took to get up and running), but part of the experience IS the form factor. Apple has proven time and again that it's not numbers that people are buying, it's the total package. You are being too narrow minded and short sighted (which fits you...) by asserting that it's just a "shiny apple" people are paying for.

1/28/2010 10:24:27 PM

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"I prefer OS X, overall. Apple machines come with OS X, legally, and the upgrades are cheap, especially with SL's pricing to upgrade from Leopard. The UI is worlds better, and yes this is a personal preference. Until I basically destroyed my MBP, which took a good amount of accidental effort, I rarely needed to force an application to quit. I have to do this often on a certain other family of OS. I'll even admit for you that I do like the design of several of Apple's machines and that this does influence my preferences. Many non-Macs have been trying to make their own machines more pleasing to the eye. On the other hand, has Microsoft left a bad enough taste in my mouth to prefer OS X over Windows right of the bat? Absolutely. The preference comes easy to me. Do I love Apple's pricing? Of course not. My desktop is a custom-built Windows/Ubuntu box for a reason."

All completely fair and understandable. I do like the upgrade scheme apple has on their OS and think MS should follow in their example.

You don't have to admit that you like the design of apples machines. Its one of their strongest selling points. They make very pretty looking hardware. And because of that, because of that shiny apple, people pay more.

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"YOU might could get the same experience (when you delude yourself about what it actually took to get up and running), but part of the experience IS the form factor. Apple has proven time and again that it's not numbers that people are buying, it's the total package. You are being too narrow minded and short sighted (which fits you...) by asserting that it's just a "shiny apple" people are paying for."

haha, quite a chip on your shoulder there little guy. I know, via many of your posts in tech talk, that you are in no way a techie, or even savvy, and from your posts in other areas, that you aren't really even that bright.

The 'same experience' I mentioned was in reference to a situation where Apple actually allowed OSX to be installed on non Apple hardware; not setting up a Hackintosh. Though I have dual booted (win/osx) and it is in no way difficult.

Yes people are buying the total package. That package consists of standard hardware available anywhere, and the shinny packaging. Calling it form factor doesn't change what it is: a pretty house for a normal machine.

1/28/2010 10:44:37 PM

Ok skokiaan I guess you did beat me to the punch a bit. You, me and the guy that wrote that article can all see thru the bs. I thought the one paragraph he wrote sums up a lot. People don't know what they want, but when they have a chance to use it they realize its what they want and need. Its not about features, its about doing primal task really really well.

Instantaneous response is the killer app here. Hardware and software tuned to perfection to give you effortless web browsing experience. All other competitors still haven't got a clue of about what Apple has done here. They seem to never figure it out, they keep giving people what they ask for, more features. But more features is not what people really want and need.

From the article that skokiaan posted http://bit.ly/dmZCqY

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"One great thing about the iPad (and the iPhone) is how responsive it is. When you scroll, the content scrolls without any interruptions and lag — it’s very, very smooth. Why is this so important? It’s important because this level of responsiveness blends the borders between analog and digital media. When you use an iPhone, the content follows your finger as you scroll it — it feels like there’s a physical piece of paper moving under your hand. It feels this way because there is no lag. If the scrolling effect isn’t 100% smooth, this illusion of physical media breaks down and you’re back to struggling with an interface, waiting for it to catch up. This is a big problem that plagues almost all of competing devices."

1/28/2010 10:47:32 PM

dangit i hate seeing typo's in my own posts right after i write them.. of != off

i wonder if the iPad's responsiveness stays snappy... i know my iPhone 3G's didn't

1/28/2010 10:56:27 PM

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"i wonder if the iPad's responsiveness stays snappy... i know my iPhone 3G's didn't "

me too.

1/28/2010 11:14:03 PM

Do you guys have pages and pages of apps? I've had my 3Gs since release and its still as snappy as ever.

1/28/2010 11:18:28 PM

i have about ~50 apps installed. only use about 10 regularly. i probably could restore to factory settings and resync but i'm a little disappointed i should have to do that with a fancy Apple product.

1/28/2010 11:20:49 PM

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"A watch for exercising, an iPhone, a netbook, a laptop, a desktop, a home theatre, and a digital camera. There's 7 devices, that, by your opinion should make your life miserable."

my life is miserable, i hate keeping track of all the different batteries, car adapters, power adapters, data cables, etc.

-GPS watch for exercising, yes but it's not a navigational tool, it's a tracking tool, and i'd love it if it had music ability built-in so i don't have to carry an mp3 player in addition

-Laptop, yes, because I got it for $300 and allows me to do full computing on the road, i think a netbook is too limited, also when tethered to a smart phone is all i need when traveling.

-Home theater PC, this is because i'm a computer enthusiast and if you read the HTPC thread you'd know i'm not happy with it because it doesn't have the all-in-one experience i want, if i could find a box (networked media player) that did everything i'd gladly use it instead, not a mobile device so i don't take it with me.

-Digital camera, this is a no brainer i use it solely to get quality pictures, i'd gladly use a camera in a smartphone for casual pictures, also not a device i use when mobile, occasionally when i travel.

-Phone, i use a standard flip phone. still waiting for a smart phone that has all the features i want on verizon b/c i care about my phone call quality. for me the Droid is almost perfect. if i got the Droid i could get rid of my casual camera (still keep my DSLR) get rid of my mp3 player, get rid of my vehicle GPS, possibly even get rid of my excercise GPS watch, because i'm sure there's a app for that on Android.

so when i travel i see 2 devices that would do 90% of what i want, a laptop and a smartphone. personally i want less technology in my life, not more.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 11:24:43 PM

Get a 3GS! :o I thought that as much as I use the phone, and switch between it's apps, the upgrade would be worth it, it was, more so than Edge -->3g was at that time.

I could not be happier w/the iPhone, and my other Apple devices, all of which I really appreciate (like Airport Xpress/AirTunes, etc), and to me a lot of the value comes from the user experience, but yes I enjoy how well built/thought out they are, and will pay a premium for the devices I like.

That review is spot on, and sums up how I feel about the device. I'll be pretty tempted to buy one for mom, too, actually...

1/28/2010 11:30:41 PM

^^ You don't want "less" technology, you want more seamless technology.

There's several GPS mapping/tracking apps in Android as well as iPhone, I use iMapMyRide.

One of the main benefits to me (as I've said before here) of Apple products (and previous to that Nokias) is that they have standardized data/charging systems/cables. Any MagSafe from any Apple will plug into and charge any other MagSafe device. I never have to bring a charger with me when I go to visit family, or go to my girlfriend's or whatever else. Same w/the iPhone and it looks like iPad, the synch cable also charges, and it's the same as the iPod family, which means there's a charger practically everywhere. It's a huge bonus that all newer iPod docks will even charge your phone...

1/28/2010 11:34:14 PM

wait, it doesn't have handwriting recognition? something that EVERY OTHER TABLET ON THE MARKET HAS? what the fuck, dude. yep, this looks like an iPod all over again. Twice the price, half the features, ten times the marketing.

1/28/2010 11:58:18 PM

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"wait, it doesn't have handwriting recognition? something that EVERY OTHER TABLET ON THE MARKET HAS? what the fuck, dude. yep, this looks like an iPod all over again. Twice the price, half the features, ten times the marketing. "

You clearly have no recollection of how the iPod came to dominance.

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"The 'same experience' I mentioned was in reference to a situation where Apple actually allowed OSX to be installed on non Apple hardware; not setting up a Hackintosh. Though I have dual booted (win/osx) and it is in no way difficult. "

lol. So you are making up an imaginary situation, then drawing broad, obviously flawed conclusions based on that? nice.

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"haha, quite a chip on your shoulder there little guy. I know, via many of your posts in tech talk, that you are in no way a techie, or even savvy, and from your posts in other areas, that you aren't really even that bright. "

haha i don't know if I should be creeped out or flattered that you are so conscious of me...?


[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 12:13 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2010 12:10:44 AM

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"^^ You don't want "less" technology, you want more seamless technology."

no really i can't tell you how many times i've almost canceled my cable & internet. i'm still struggling with the idea of a smartphone, except that it would reduce the amount of gadgets

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 12:10:48 AM

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"You clearly have no recollection of how the iPod came to dominance."

Oh, I most certainly do. it was called marketing.

1/29/2010 12:26:27 AM

The iPOd was on the market for a year, and was Mac only, with almost no TV ads for it, and was popular enough for 3rd parties to write software to make the Mac only device work with Windows.

1/29/2010 12:28:47 AM

marketing.

1/29/2010 12:30:52 AM

nope, you're wrong.

1/29/2010 12:33:16 AM

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"wait, it doesn't have handwriting recognition? something that EVERY OTHER TABLET ON THE MARKET HAS? what the fuck, dude. yep, this looks like an iPod all over again. Twice the price, half the features, ten times the marketing."

yes, because the key to making a successful product is to imitate all the failed products before it Nobody cares about handwriting recognition except maybe you, doctors, and the guy that comes and installs my cable.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 12:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 12:37:41 AM

Please explain to me the awesome user experience you're going to have when you're forced to A) constantly hold the device with one hand, rendering you unable to type normally on it; B) forced to sit at an unnatural angle with your hands like a T-Rex to rest it in your lap and have it be useable; or C) develop a variant of taco-neck-syndrome where your head sits at a right angle to the rest of your body.

The 3GS a little under 5oz and is handheld, the iPad is 24oz and unless you're Shaq, not handheld. How comfortable to work with is this thing actually going to be? It's lightweight, but constantly having to balance it to use it?

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"They have created what could be considered the best internet device ever."

The best internet device ever... until you want to view something that uses Flash.

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"Nobody cares about handwriting recognition except maybe you, doctors, and the guy that comes and installs my cable."

Handwriting recognition would turn this from a niche product to something that would be a pretty nice alternative to taking a laptop/netbook to class. It's a perfect size to replace a notebook.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 12:53:09 AM

I want one of those devices they have at the apple store that do all that shit. when i bought my 3G, i signed with my finger.

1/29/2010 12:55:16 AM

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"The best internet device ever... until you want to view something that uses Flash. "

I think flash is overrated and bloated. Yeah I think it would be better in the short term if it supported flash since so much of the web is flash, but in the long term getting rid of flash is in everyones best interest. In a few years html 5 will make flash obsolete anyhow.

I am not an adobe fan, the few times I have ever tried to use any of there software save photoshop it was immediately apparent how shitty the interface was.

1/29/2010 1:00:08 AM

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" Handwriting recognition would turn this from a niche product to something that would be a pretty nice alternative to taking a laptop/netbook to class. It's a perfect size to replace a notebook. "

i can type much faster than i can write though. it'd be nice to be able to draw diagrams and pictures alongside typed notes though. i'll be surprised if iWork doesn't allow something like that though

1/29/2010 1:03:44 AM

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"I think flash is overrated and bloated. Yeah I think it would be better in the short term if it supported flash since so much of the web is flash, but in the long term getting rid of flash is in everyones best interest. In a few years html 5 will make flash obsolete anyhow. "

Flash revolutionized streaming web video. It's a lot of things, but it sure isn't overrated. Also, you realize that the expected W3C Recommendation date for HTML5 is 2022, right?

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"I am not an adobe fan, the few times I have ever tried to use any of there software save photoshop it was immediately apparent how shitty the interface was."

What does the interface for designing a Flash movie have to do with a product's inability to play a Flash movie in 2010?

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"i can type much faster than i can write though. it'd be nice to be able to draw diagrams and pictures alongside typed notes though. i'll be surprised if iWork doesn't allow something like that though"

You can type faster on a keyboard thatgives you feedback that you've actually hit a button and you can also do so without looking. I highly doubt you could type nearly as fast, with that level of accuracy on a virtual keyboard.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 1:21 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 1:19:17 AM

perhaps. i've learned to type pretty quick on my iphone too though. i'd probably adjust to typing on a tablet surface. also, i print VERY SLOWLY. i could type with one finger on a full-sized keyboard and still be quicker

1/29/2010 1:22:33 AM

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"Flash revolutionized streaming web video. It's a lot of things, but it sure isn't overrated. Also, you realize that the expected W3C Recommendation date for HTML5 is 2022, right?"

Flash is no longer needed for streaming web video anymore (and this isn't in reference to HTML5 either). The proper way (and many sites are starting to learn the right way) is to give the browser the option to pick what video player is used. If the user has flash then use the sites flash player if not use whatever plugin their browser supports. Flash has been used and abused and there is no reason to use it except in few situations where its needed. I assure you thats not on any site we frequent on a regular basis.

I don't know what sites some of you visit but I have yet to encounter a site that I visit frequently that requires me to use flash.

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"You can type faster on a keyboard thatgives you feedback that you've actually hit a button and you can also do so without looking. I highly doubt you could type nearly as fast, with that level of accuracy on a virtual keyboard."

I can type faster on a touch screen keyboard faster than I can use a stylus on a handwriting recognition display. There is a HUGE different between writing with a pen/pencil on a piece of paper and writing with a stylus on a slick glass/lcd display. Handwriting recognition wouldn't sell this product any better then its sold the countless products that do use it.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 1:26 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 1:23:29 AM

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"I don't know what sites some of you visit but I have yet to encounter a site that I visit frequently that requires me to use flash."

That's because you buy all your TV through iTunes rather than using Hulu

The same Hulu, which last October alone, showed almost 856 million videos.

1/29/2010 1:34:41 AM