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"I get extremely bent out of shape when people try to use the government to remove personal liberties. This is one thing you and I agree about that never gets stressed."

FTFY

1/4/2010 11:52:42 AM

Really, everyone is getting owned here. Because it's a stupid fucking argument at this point.

1/4/2010 11:52:48 AM

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"^^ What about instances in which tobacco smoke is being banned from private residences?"

That is not what we are talking about.

But for the record, if they did try to pass something like that in NC, I would be right there supporting the rights of smokers. Very big difference in legislating public places and private homes.

1/4/2010 11:53:03 AM

slavery is where you fucking force someone into fucking servitude under pain of death.

Smoking in a bar is an easilty avoidable inconvenience.

Can you figure out how these things differ?

1/4/2010 11:53:30 AM

which amendment is the right to smoke again

is that in the state constitution or

1/4/2010 11:53:48 AM

I could not care any less about the arguments on either side. I'm simply happy that now I can go anywhere I like to eat and/or drink and not have to smell that shit.

It is entirely selfish, but I'm cool with that.

1/4/2010 11:54:01 AM

^^ Which amendment is the right to eat again?

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 11:54:45 AM

did you just equate smoking with eating

1/4/2010 11:55:10 AM

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"which amendment is the right to smoke again is that in the state constitution or"

lol jesus christ

1/4/2010 11:56:03 AM

^^ I used an example of something that is not listed in the Constitution (U.S. or state) but that many would consider a right.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:57 AM. Reason : Can you not see this?]

1/4/2010 11:56:50 AM

you mean like affordable health care, right

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 11:57 AM. Reason : Post #44,500.]

1/4/2010 11:57:18 AM

Define "affordable."

1/4/2010 11:57:46 AM

like if i can't pay

it's subsidized by public money

perhaps by some sort of public option as an alternative to private insurance

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 12:00 PM. Reason : i've got you now motherfucker]

1/4/2010 11:59:07 AM

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"like if i can't pay it's subsidized by public money perhaps by some sort of public option as an alternative to private insurance"

Agreed let's do it.

1/4/2010 12:02:00 PM

^^ LOL! Yeah, what about food, clothing, shelter, and transportation you can't afford, either?

Maybe Uncle Sugar should stick a feed pellet tube in your mouth and one out of your ass and you could suckle completely at the nanny state's teat.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 12:02:49 PM

Well here's where we depart, hooksaw. Was nice agreeing with you briefly, bon voyage.

1/4/2010 12:04:08 PM

nanny state subsidizes the food i have an implicit right to eat, right

so

i mean

???

1/4/2010 12:04:16 PM

i want your input on the grocery bag tax

1/4/2010 12:06:22 PM

^^ Having a right to something doesn't mean the government provides it all for you. Does government provide your speech, your religion, and so on?



[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 12:06 PM. Reason : STFU. ]

1/4/2010 12:06:37 PM

'cause i mean seriously

as someone with an implicit right to smoke

perhaps i have been well served by private businesses catering to my needs

it stands to reason that if pesky regulations have rendered private businesses unable to cater to me

in a way that i can afford, mind you

perhaps the state could fund the construction of a smokers' pavilion or something

1/4/2010 12:08:04 PM

THis is what you do on the Droid on your lunch break, Frosh?

1/4/2010 12:08:22 PM

nah this is my workstation

1/4/2010 12:09:13 PM

even better.

So have we yet figured out that every side of this argument has been presented and no one is going to change anyone else's mind?

Or am I alone on that one?

1/4/2010 12:11:40 PM

the people on the other side of your opinion are stupid

1/4/2010 12:12:58 PM

1/4/2010 12:13:03 PM

Smoking is healthier than fascism.

1/4/2010 12:13:05 PM

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"It won't affect me at bars since I quit smoking cigarettes 2 weeks ago, so fuck yourself."

OH WOW, CONGRATULATIONS

how many years did it take you to give up the disgusting habit (for two weeks, no less!)? seriously, though, you're a pillar of willpower and common sense

1/4/2010 12:13:45 PM

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"Smoking is healthier than fascism."

1/4/2010 12:14:07 PM

on the real

as someone who has elected to sit out in bad weather just to avoid smokers

i am happy about this

i sympathize up to a point with the business owners who may see a drop in business

but certainly not with any smoker who feels particularly put out about it

i don't mean to be unfriendly about this

but you know it'll just get rolled back in like two years, right

1/4/2010 12:16:15 PM

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"Smoking is healthier than fascism."

1/4/2010 12:16:35 PM

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"how many years did it take you to give up the disgusting habit (for two weeks, no less!)? seriously, though, you're a pillar of willpower and common sense"

This is my first attempt at quitting and I'm already out of the most difficult period

thanks for asking

1/4/2010 12:16:38 PM

i lit up in a bar last night and no one said anything to me......

none of you tough guys must have been there or i would have gotten punched in the face, right?

1/4/2010 12:18:19 PM

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"This is my first attempt at quitting and I'm already out of the most difficult period thanks for asking"

you didn't really answer the question (i was curious as to how long you've been stupid), but i understand that you're under a lot of stress from the symptoms associated with your body's withdrawal from a highly addictive and utterly pointless drug...and it's probably your time of the month, so i'll let it slide

you're welcome

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"i lit up in a bar last night and no one said anything to me...... none of you tough guys must have been there or i would have gotten punched in the face, right?"

personally, i'd have just called the number to report you...no reason to instigate a violent confrontation just because some people lack common sense and willpower

*shrug*

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 12:18:53 PM

there's probably a thread about you, poopface

1/4/2010 12:19:23 PM

haha, i just still laughing at the guy talking about punching people

1/4/2010 12:20:04 PM

Shit's really not THAT addictive.

It's more of a habit than an addiction, at least in my case.

1/4/2010 12:21:23 PM

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"you didn't really answer the question (i was curious as to how long you've been stupid), but i understand that you're under a lot of stress from the symptoms associated with your body's withdrawal from a highly addictive and utterly pointless drug...and it's probably your time of the month, so i'll let it slide you're welcome"

I only ended up smoking regularly for a few months. I was a casual, occasional smoker for a long time before that (mostly when going out / interacting with friends that smoked while drinking, etc). Never smoked frequently enough to get addicted but that changed at some point. Was in a stressful stretch of time and stuck with it through then, and once I came out the other end and had some mental space I quit.

Drug's not pointless though. Shit feels good. Why the fuck do you think people do it?

And yes smoking habitually is not the smartest thing in the world, but people do it for all sorts of reasons. To be called stupid by a fucking web designer, though? lol

1/4/2010 12:21:35 PM

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"Shit's really not THAT addictive."

i'm pretty sure nicotine is physiologically addictive...trying to make the addiction subjective doesn't change its chemical properties or the effects of nicotine on your body

i know what you mean, though...i believe that the act of smoking is just as psychologically addictive as nicotine is, physiologically

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"Drug's not pointless though. Shit feels good. Why the fuck do you think people do it?"

you know a lot of people who smoke one cigarette and decide it tastes sooooooooo good that they're going to light up a few more packs? of course not...that's because cigarettes taste like ASS and burned hair...you gotta smoke enough for the nicotine to take hold before you decide it's good, and only then it's because you've got enough of it flowing through your system

at least pot has immediate effects...i've never met a single person that was hooked on cigarettes (physiologically) after one

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"And yes smoking habitually is not the smartest thing in the world, but people do it for all sorts of reasons. To be called stupid by a fucking web designer, though? lol"

it's cute that you think you know me...you try too hard, but i'll give you a point or two for caring enough to make half-assed guesses

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2010 12:23:13 PM

1/4/2010 12:23:41 PM

I kind of want to see exactly what happens when someone called the BUTTHURTLINE or whatever it is called to report a smoker.

Do the cops have to respond to that to write a ticket? Does the person making the call have to get the offender's personal info in order to serve them should they leave before the proper enforcers of the smoking ban arrive (which i am guessing will NOT be in a timely fashion, if at all)?

1/4/2010 12:24:58 PM

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"personally, i'd have just called the number to report you...no reason to instigate a violent confrontation just because some people lack common sense and willpower"

not to mention empathy and human decency.

1/4/2010 12:25:30 PM

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"personally, i'd have just called the number to report you"

don't tell... i might get in trouble!

1/4/2010 12:27:27 PM

every establishment where smoking is banned gets 2 warnings before an actual ticket is issued. i'm guessing that business owner's are going to instruct their servers/bartenders to strictly enforce the law, just because they don't wanna risk getting fined.

i wonder if the ALE (or whichever agency it is) will be undercover in bars/restaurants to find people lighting up?

1/4/2010 12:27:48 PM

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"I kind of want to see exactly what happens when someone called the BUTTHURTLINE or whatever it is called to report a smoker. Do the cops have to respond to that to write a ticket? Does the person making the call have to get the offender's personal info in order to serve them should they leave before the proper enforcers of the smoking ban arrive (which i am guessing will NOT be in a timely fashion, if at all)?"

i, too, would like to know...i would assume that unless there's a cop nearby, no one does anything about it (and even then, i'd be surprised if a cop showed up)

more than likely, though, enough reports at the same location would get the property owner in trouble eventually (in that a cop might stop in now and then) and after a fine or two, the property owner would insist that the management stop allowing patrons to break the law

*shrug*

1/4/2010 12:28:21 PM

yeah i don't see them sending anyone....i think just the multiple report thing would bring them to an establishment

1/4/2010 12:29:25 PM

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"i'm pretty sure nicotine is physiologically addictive...trying to make the addiction subjective doesn't change its chemical properties or the effects of nicotine on your body"

You said highly addictive. I would expect a highly addictive substance to have some withdrawal effects for someone like myself who has smoked a lot for the past two years. I have had no such effects.

Cocaine is highly addictive.

Heroin is highly addictive.

Cigarettes are a habit.

1/4/2010 12:29:41 PM

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"yeah i don't see them sending anyone....i think just the multiple report thing would bring them to an establishment"

I don't see them sending out anyone either, but how would you feel if you got your beloved Bada Bar or Ruckus a citation?

1/4/2010 12:31:51 PM

All the bar has to do is tell you to put it out or go outside. Once they have done that, they have fulfilled their obligation to the law.

1/4/2010 12:33:05 PM

wahhhhh my rights wahhhhhhhh

1/4/2010 12:33:06 PM

It will probably flesh out like it does here....

I've never seen or heard of any person or place being reported. And its give or take whether or not someone obeys the law or not. I've seen patrons, and bar owners smoking inside before.

The law is just going to end up being a strong suggestion

1/4/2010 12:33:08 PM