don't get me started on the horrible spawning system on a full server. ugg. Getting spawned in the middle of a firefight, right behind enemy lines and someone shoots at you instantly, or already engaged in a firefight and all of a suddenly they have instant reinforcements and flank your positions because they spawned left, right and behind you.

I would def. second the ghost perk, better than scavenger after playing it for a while. I seem to stay a live longer with that perk than worrying about ammo, specially in a packed server. Worse comes to worse, I'll just grab a fallen enemy's weapon. ghost + warlord with silenced & red dot famas FTW.

and yes, FAMAS finally owns. Always hated that gun for the insane rpm, but feels solid in this game, almost seems to shoot a little slower than normal though compared to other games...

11/10/2010 9:13:13 AM

Got too wrapped up in the Heat game last night to really get into this

I will say I do like the fact that you buy your attachments instead of being forced to do dumbass challenges to unlock the red dot, acog, etc.

11/10/2010 9:21:48 AM

i never understood why they made you get 40 FMJ kills before getting extended mags

11/10/2010 9:29:41 AM

yeah, bought the red dot asap and it's easily the best upgrade early on. Anyone having fun in DOS prompt in the menu? hehe text based game is funny, killing trolls and shit

11/10/2010 9:34:01 AM

can't figure out the difference between the reflex sight and red dot, although i think you can customize what your 'red dot' actually looks like (shape, color)

11/10/2010 9:36:05 AM

I'm so pissed that they took out special ops.

11/10/2010 9:37:29 AM

Yeah I like the one with the three dots like the Predator


Should be on late tonight, taking off for Vets today tomorrow

11/10/2010 9:38:12 AM

hehe, you can unlock and change your red dot color. My friend got called out for his purple red dot when someone killed him and picked up his weapon.

this games doesn't play well on my old pos gaming laptop. I was hoping to get in some sessions between classes. I get jittery frames every other second, but runs smooth in between. I guess my CPU is just too slow and chugging along.

11/10/2010 9:51:36 AM

Quote :

"can't figure out the difference between the reflex sight and red dot"

I heard someone saying that the reflex has magnification (i think he said 1.5x) when compared to the red dot. I don't know yet, b/c of stupid TWC, I only had a chance to unlock one and I chose the reflex on my M16. It's probably similar to red dot vs. holographic in MW2 (not much of a difference). If anybody actually figures it out, I'd like to know also.

11/10/2010 10:16:49 AM

I unlocked the gunner position for the helicopter. Holy crap. You can mow down a shit ton of people.

11/10/2010 10:20:46 AM

Theater mode is pretty cool...I saved a match some of us played on Nuketown where I did pretty well...also it looks like you can watch an entire match from anyone on your team's perspective...for example, hey now was in the game, so he could probably watch the entire match from his perspective...also there is a free-range camera you can use, which was pretty cool to watch my match opening grenade spam kills on that playthrough

Zombie mode is pretty cool, need to figure out how to get to the fusebox a little easier though

Campaign mode is neat also...lots of figures from the last 50 years of world history

11/10/2010 10:22:06 AM

Quote :

"^^Yeah I agree about the RC car. Definitely should be a 5 killstreak, since like the Predator missile, it pretty much is a guaranteed kill. "

Unlike the predator though, you can avoid getting killed by the RC car.

My killstreak set up is Spyplane-Blackbird-Dogs. Since killstreak kills don't count towards higher killstreak rewards, the radar is really the best thing you can get to help reach the higher rewards.

Ever since they announced the removal of stopping power I have been afraid of everyone using nothing but ghost, and I think that is probably going to become annoying.

11/10/2010 10:24:41 AM

yeah, the rc car is pretty easy to hear and shoot at. The decoy grenade is... interesting.

11/10/2010 10:41:52 AM

So is this like WaW where its a skip title, nothing new, bad game feel, etc..

or is this a good buy, a good successor to MW2?

11/10/2010 10:42:39 AM

what happens to the shit you buy once you prestige? or can you even prestige?

11/10/2010 10:43:04 AM

^^IMO the gameplay is way better than MW2. They set out to fix a lot of the problems and for the most part they did. The game certainly looks worse (plain textures, shitty animations, that sort of thing), but the multiplayer map design is a lot better and it avoids letting the game become a camp-fest like MW2 turned into. Also, the gun damage is appropriately lower (part of this is just the absence of stopping power) and recoil actually exists again, so the whole weapon choice part of the gameplay becomes relevant, unlike MW2, where most of the assault rifles were just near-identical copies of one another.

Easily better than MW2 and WaW, but still not quite as good as CoD4.

[Edited on November 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/10/2010 10:50:34 AM

^^^ its basically a WaW upgrade to me. If they fix the damn lag issues and have functional servers it would be a lot better. Plus as people have said, the party mode is frustrating as hell and you end up regrouping the party like 5 times in order to connect to a server. Inviting friends is annoying and you can't just join in on a server that your friends are at if you don't know where they are playing on. Doesn't tell you the server name.

Why they didn't just make the whole game steam integrated with the friends and server list is beyond me, but it's annoying as hell.

The gameplay is fun, but I agree, COD4 sets the bar.

11/10/2010 11:02:26 AM

Being able to stay in party chat during TDM games is underrated...I know plenty of times in MW2 I'd see some warriors online, join the party, and basically have to just speculate as to how far along through the match they were, and send one of them a message saying "invite me next game" or something

Now just join the party, say whats up, find out how far along they are through the game, etc...or if you can't connect, join another game, and still stay in the party chat

11/10/2010 11:09:13 AM

^I agree 100%. I also like combat training for warming up and passing time whilst waiting to join up with a group.

Oh and one quick observation: You can no longer throw grenades "over them mountains," the throw distances are much more realistic. However, the motion of the grenades through the air, the way they bounce and roll, and the overly prevalent tails look really cartoonish. It's like the grenades are affected by less gravity than everything else. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?

[Edited on November 10, 2010 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ?]

11/10/2010 11:19:17 AM

not just you at all...definitely a learning curve (no pun intended) with the grenades, and even the noob tube.

On that note...has anyone actually played with the flamethrower and masterkey attachments? Is the masterkey better than MW2?

11/10/2010 11:26:51 AM

I keep getting errors and the party kicks me for no apparent reason. Takes a few tries for it to actually join up and start a game. Also been getting annoying disconnecting errors periodically after a match ends.

11/10/2010 11:30:19 AM

The pro perks are pretty sweet FYI

The warlord pro gives you 2 frag grenades and 3 special grenades.

11/10/2010 11:42:23 AM

ugh wanna plaaaayyy

stupid stupid fed ex and amazon

11/10/2010 11:44:55 AM

I'm not very good at this game

11/10/2010 11:48:53 AM

^^ did you do launch day delivery? it was overnight air...

11/10/2010 11:57:49 AM

Quote :

"The pro perks are pretty sweet FYI The warlord pro gives you 2 frag grenades and 3 special grenades. [nsfw] "

That does sound pretty good. I'm also glad they made them more difficult to get.

11/10/2010 12:07:33 PM

I got this pro perk also

Quote :

"Second Chance Pro gives the players the ability to survive longer while in second chance state and be revived by other teammates, even those that do not have the perk equipped. "

[Edited on November 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM. Reason : [][][][][][][][][][][][][]

11/10/2010 12:23:11 PM

Quote :

"^^ did you do launch day delivery? it was overnight air..."

yes i need to find out on amazon where i can bitch and complain

11/10/2010 12:25:27 PM

file a complaint both on Amazon and UPS.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/contact-us/wheres-my-stuff.html?ie=UTF8&browse_node_id=468522

https://wwwapps.ups.com/webClaims/create?loc=en_US&WBPM_lid=/homepage/ct1.html_mod_qlk

11/10/2010 12:43:05 PM

the stakeout shotgun seems incredibly overpowered compared to the SPAS-12. I've been using the stakeout shotgun almost entirely so far. I'm interested to see someone post actual weapon stats for the game.

I have no idea why a double barreled over-under sporting clay shotgun made it into this game though - totally unrealistic. Shooting buckshot through a full choked shotgun will destroy the barrel quickly, while shooting birdshot would just piss off the person you're shooting at.

11/10/2010 12:48:57 PM

somebody post a list of all the Pro levels of all the perks and what added benefit they give

11/10/2010 12:54:01 PM

Perk Slot 1
Lightweight | Lightweight Pro
Lightweight

Ability: Allows you to move faster, but how fast depends on the equipped weapons mobility. This should be used with a "run and gun" class due to the added speed.

Pro Ability: No falling damage.
Scavenger | Scavenger Pro
scavenger

Ability: Replenishes your ammunition and lethal grenades when you walk over blue scavenger bags that are dropped by dead players. This won't resupply launchers or equipment. Scavenger is very useful with weapons that run out of ammo quickly.

Pro Ability: Doubles your starting ammo with extra magazines. This also replenishes your tactical grenades.
Ghost | Ghost Pro
Ghost

Ability: Ghost works pretty much like Cold Blooded from Modern Warfare 2. You are undetectable by the Spy Plane killstreak when you have this equipped. You show up on the radar if you fire a weapon that doesn't have a silencer.

Pro Ability: Undetectable by aircraft, infrared and sentries. Enemies won't see your name or a red crosshair when targeting you.
Flak Jacket | Flak Jacket Pro
Flak Jacket

Ability: Flak Jacket greatly reduces explosive damage and allows you to survive any indirect explosive attack. Explosive crossbow bolts are lethal if they get stuck on you and explode.

Pro Ability: Deflects fire damage and allows you to reset the fuse of a thrown grenade when you pick it up.
Hardline | Hardline Pro
Hardline

Ability: Reduces the amount of kills required for any killstreak by one. For example, the Care Package normally requires 5 kills, but if you have Hardline equipped you only need 4 kills.

Pro Ability: Allows you to randomly choose another reward from a Care Package. When you open a Care Package, you can either take the reward or try again for something better.

For example, when selecting a Care Package and you get the Spy Plane killstreak reward, you get the following option: "Hold X for Spy Plane OR Double Tap to Try Again" (Xbox 360)

Perk Slot 2
Hardened | Hardened Pro
Hardened

Ability: Increases your weapons bullet penetration, but it doesn't increase bullet damage. This is pretty much like Deep Impact from Call of Duty 4 and FMJ weapon attachment from Modern Warfare 2.

Pro Ability: Your weapons do extra damage to aircraft and turrets. This also reduces flinch when you are shot by someone.
Scout | Scout Pro
Scout

Ability: Enables you to hold your breath longer when steadying a weapons scope. Scout offers a significant advantage to sniper class weapons.

Pro Ability: Allows you to switch your weapon faster.
Steady Aim | Steady Aim Pro
Steady Aim

Ability: Steady Aim increases a weapons hip fire accuracy and also reduces shotgun spread. This should be used with the Dual Wield attachment, since Dual Wield significantly reduces a weapons hip fire accuracy.

Pro Ability: When equipped, this enables you to aim faster after sprinting and recover faster from a knife lunge.
Sleight of Hand | Sleight of Hand Pro
Sleight of Hand

Ability: Gives a faster reload time by reducing your weapons reload time in half. This is extremely useful with weapons that have long reload times, like shotguns and light machine guns.

Pro Ability: Allows you to aim down the sight ~50% faster than normal. This doesn't work with weapons that have scopes.
Warlord | Warlord Pro
Warlord

Ability: This is the equivalent of Bling from Modern Warfare 2. Warlord allows you to put 2 attachments to your primary weapon. Stealth classes should use this since they can equip a silencer to remaining undetected and still reap the benefits of having a second attachment.

Pro Ability: You start with one extra lethal and tactical grenade, except smoke (WILLY PETE).

Perk Slot 3
Tactical Mask | Tactical Mask Pro
Tactical Mask

Ability: Protects you against NOVA GAS.

Pro Ability: Tactical Mask Pro reduces the effects of flashbangs and concussion grenades, it also reveals the position of a flashed or stunned enemy.
Marathon | Marathon Pro
Marathon

Ability: This extends your sprint time, but it doesn't increase your speed.

Pro Ability: Gives you unlimited sprint.
Ninja | Ninja Pro
Ghost

Ability: Ninja allows you to walk, sprint and jump almost silently, therefore you can sneak behind enemies more easily. This is the equivalent of Dead Silence from Call of Duty 4.

Pro Ability: When you have this equipped enemies will be louder, it also makes you completely silent.
Second Chance | Second Chance Pro
Second Chance

Ability: Gives you the ability to survive a normal death by dropping you to the ground. You can use your pistol to defend yourself from enemies. Second Chance ends after 10 seconds or if you take a single hit from the enemy, and in both cases, you will die.

Pro Ability: If you have Second Chance Pro equipped you can survive a little longer than normal. Teammates can also revive you - even players that don't have Second Chance. You can see a white REVIVE tag above a player that can be revived.
Hacker | Hacker Pro
Hacker

Ability: Allows you to see enemy explosives, equipment and Tactical Insertions. This highlights them with a red color like SitRep from Modern Warfare 2.

Pro Ability: This is one of the most interesting additions to the whole Black Ops perks list. Hacker Pro actually allows you to sabotage enemy Care Packages and also turn enemy equipment friendly. This also makes you invisible to Motion Sensors.

11/10/2010 1:07:45 PM

moar reedible

Perk Slot 1
Lightweight | Lightweight Pro

Ability: Allows you to move faster, but how fast depends on the equipped weapons mobility. This should be used with a "run and gun" class due to the added speed.

Pro Ability: No falling damage.


Scavenger | Scavenger Pro

Ability: Replenishes your ammunition and lethal grenades when you walk over blue scavenger bags that are dropped by dead players. This won't resupply launchers or equipment. Scavenger is very useful with weapons that run out of ammo quickly.

Pro Ability: Doubles your starting ammo with extra magazines. This also replenishes your tactical grenades.


Ghost | Ghost Pro

Ability: Ghost works pretty much like Cold Blooded from Modern Warfare 2. You are undetectable by the Spy Plane killstreak when you have this equipped. You show up on the radar if you fire a weapon that doesn't have a silencer.

Pro Ability: Undetectable by aircraft, infrared and sentries. Enemies won't see your name or a red crosshair when targeting you.


Flak Jacket | Flak Jacket Pro

Ability: Flak Jacket greatly reduces explosive damage and allows you to survive any indirect explosive attack. Explosive crossbow bolts are lethal if they get stuck on you and explode.

Pro Ability: Deflects fire damage and allows you to reset the fuse of a thrown grenade when you pick it up.


Hardline | Hardline Pro

Ability: Reduces the amount of kills required for any killstreak by one. For example, the Care Package normally requires 5 kills, but if you have Hardline equipped you only need 4 kills.

Pro Ability: Allows you to randomly choose another reward from a Care Package. When you open a Care Package, you can either take the reward or try again for something better.

For example, when selecting a Care Package and you get the Spy Plane killstreak reward, you get the following option: "Hold X for Spy Plane OR Double Tap to Try Again" (Xbox 360)


Perk Slot 2
Hardened | Hardened Pro

Ability: Increases your weapons bullet penetration, but it doesn't increase bullet damage. This is pretty much like Deep Impact from Call of Duty 4 and FMJ weapon attachment from Modern Warfare 2.

Pro Ability: Your weapons do extra damage to aircraft and turrets. This also reduces flinch when you are shot by someone.

Scout | Scout Pro

Ability: Enables you to hold your breath longer when steadying a weapons scope. Scout offers a significant advantage to sniper class weapons.

Pro Ability: Allows you to switch your weapon faster.


Steady Aim | Steady Aim Pro

Ability: Steady Aim increases a weapons hip fire accuracy and also reduces shotgun spread. This should be used with the Dual Wield attachment, since Dual Wield significantly reduces a weapons hip fire accuracy.

Pro Ability: When equipped, this enables you to aim faster after sprinting and recover faster from a knife lunge.


Sleight of Hand | Sleight of Hand Pro

Ability: Gives a faster reload time by reducing your weapons reload time in half. This is extremely useful with weapons that have long reload times, like shotguns and light machine guns.

Pro Ability: Allows you to aim down the sight ~50% faster than normal. This doesn't work with weapons that have scopes.


Warlord | Warlord Pro

Ability: This is the equivalent of Bling from Modern Warfare 2. Warlord allows you to put 2 attachments to your primary weapon. Stealth classes should use this since they can equip a silencer to remaining undetected and still reap the benefits of having a second attachment.

Pro Ability: You start with one extra lethal and tactical grenade, except smoke (WILLY PETE).


Perk Slot 3
Tactical Mask | Tactical Mask Pro

Ability: Protects you against NOVA GAS.

Pro Ability: Tactical Mask Pro reduces the effects of flashbangs and concussion grenades, it also reveals the position of a flashed or stunned enemy.


Marathon | Marathon Pro

Ability: This extends your sprint time, but it doesn't increase your speed.

Pro Ability: Gives you unlimited sprint.


Ninja | Ninja Pro

Ability: Ninja allows you to walk, sprint and jump almost silently, therefore you can sneak behind enemies more easily. This is the equivalent of Dead Silence from Call of Duty 4.

Pro Ability: When you have this equipped enemies will be louder, it also makes you completely silent.


Second Chance | Second Chance Pro

Ability: Gives you the ability to survive a normal death by dropping you to the ground. You can use your pistol to defend yourself from enemies. Second Chance ends after 10 seconds or if you take a single hit from the enemy, and in both cases, you will die.

Pro Ability: If you have Second Chance Pro equipped you can survive a little longer than normal. Teammates can also revive you - even players that don't have Second Chance. You can see a white REVIVE tag above a player that can be revived.


Hacker | Hacker Pro

Ability: Allows you to see enemy explosives, equipment and Tactical Insertions. This highlights them with a red color like SitRep from Modern Warfare 2.

Pro Ability: This is one of the most interesting additions to the whole Black Ops perks list. Hacker Pro actually allows you to sabotage enemy Care Packages and also turn enemy equipment friendly. This also makes you invisible to Motion Sensors.

11/10/2010 1:25:35 PM

can't wait to get a higher level to get pro level perks. 2nd chance pro looks neato. What level do we get pro perks?

11/10/2010 1:29:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvnvbSI364

already level 50 jeez...i know some of these guys are unemployed but damn

11/10/2010 1:35:04 PM

You have to complete challenges with the regular perk to unlock them,,, then you can buy them

11/10/2010 1:47:43 PM

11/10/2010 2:25:32 PM

You can create a private match and make custom classes for players to use, with everything unlocked.

11/10/2010 2:28:45 PM

^^ props



[Edited on November 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM. Reason : 6 and 5 is still solid though]

11/10/2010 2:31:12 PM

hey now you should go into Theater mode and check out the video I posted from Nuketown last night and watch your camping ass performance

I also wonder if theres a way to access those videos on the web kinda like Madden/NCAA highlights?

11/10/2010 2:37:49 PM

do the claymores not have the visible red lines anymore?

11/10/2010 5:54:38 PM

Finished a round with more kills than deaths finally

Urge to return game slowly subsiding

11/10/2010 5:57:02 PM

^^not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure they are still there.

11/10/2010 6:00:08 PM

yeah, i saw a glitch where the claymore had, i guess, blown up and the red lines remained floating there

11/10/2010 6:21:22 PM

Quote :

"This also replenishes your tactical grenades."

[no]

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11/10/2010 6:32:57 PM

the multiplayer menus keep freezing up on me. I've never had a PS3 game do that before.

11/10/2010 6:54:00 PM

This evening the game servers were lagging so bad for me that I quit. Maybe try again tomorrow.

11/10/2010 6:57:17 PM

I'm having the worst issue with lag with this game and I have no fucking idea wtf is wrong with it. Basically every 15 mins or so, roughly, I get a motherfucking load of a lag spike for 5 seconds or more, my ping registers as 999 in BO and my vent lag spikes above 10k ping. Then my internet cuts off for about 15 seconds and resets. I get booted from the server with a "transmission error".

The connection between the router and modem looks fine. I changed some of the port settings on the router and opened up more for COD games, but no dice. I played many other online games with no issues. Even my ping test is fine with 40-50 ms and 4-6 jitter. I then bypass the router and just plugged the router directly into my pc and thought I was free and clear, but after 25mins it did the same thing.

This is seriously pissing me off.

11/10/2010 7:56:50 PM

I'm having no problems with this game on XBOX 360 and AT&T Uverse

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11/10/2010 7:58:56 PM

consoles report no issues with lag. it's all pc. they locked up support forums for BO on steam account because so many ppl are having issues with this. They are passing the buck on to Activision.

11/10/2010 8:04:52 PM