wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
Jennings. He is a deep threat and I think the Philly/GB matchup will be high scoring. 9/7/2010 9:04:40 AM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
^^thats tough, I think I would have to go with Best, he's the primary RB in Detroit and will have the ball in his hands a lot more than Jennings will. Jennings is a close second to Best 9/7/2010 9:45:13 AM |
bkhardee All American 985 Posts user info edit post |
^^^I Like Jennings in what should be high scoring game with Philly.
Drafted in my IDP league couple weeks ago. Stats geared towards QBs so they always go pretty quickly. 5pt/TD. 40 and 50 yd TD bonus and 300 and 400 yd passing bonus for QBs. Receiving yards bonuses at 100 and 200 as well as 40 and 50yd TD bonus. 2pt/tackle. QB: Matt Schaub (keeper) QB: Chad Henne RB: Rashard Mendenhall RB: Jonathan Stewart WR: DeSean Jackson WR: Roddy White WR: Pierre Garcon TE: Chris Cooley DT: Kyle Williams DT: Richard Seymour DE: Trent Cole DE: Ray Edwards LB: Curtis Lofton CB: Cortland Finnegan CB: Rhonde Barber S: Eric Weddle K: Neil Rackers D/ST: Bengals BN: Joseph Addai BN: Clinton Portis BN: Derek Anderson BN: Derrick Mason BN: Jabar Gaffney BN: Sam Bradford BN: Legadu Naanee BN: Robert Mathis
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM. Reason : a] 9/7/2010 10:12:58 AM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Who to start:
Pick 2 RBs: Turner, Grant, McCoy, Arian Foster.
Turner is facing Pittsburgh, I do not really want to play both Grant and McCoy as their teams are facing each other and I also have Driver and Desean as options at WR. Foster is facing Indy in a game that could be a high scoring affair.
Pick 3 WRs: Moss, Desean, Boldin, Floyd, and Driver.
Not big on Desean facing that tough GB defense. I like the Floyd vs KC matchup. Moss and Boldin are definite starts IMO. 9/7/2010 10:25:08 AM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
so you are scared about Desean facing Green Bay, but not Boldin facing Revis and the Jets defense?
I would start Moss, Desean, Boldin, Turner and Foster 9/7/2010 10:37:22 AM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^ agreed 9/7/2010 11:14:15 AM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
cotchery vs ravens or manningham vs panthers 9/7/2010 11:47:24 AM |
daddywill88 All American 710 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ Turner, Grant, Moss, DeSean, Boldin
I say Grant because he's consistent and Kubiak is insane. Foster could have a fumble on the opening drive and he might not see the field the rest of the season. I just don't trust Houston RBs, any of them.
^ Cotchery #2 WR for Jets > #3 WR for Giants
Trade was just proposed to me
I trade Mike Wallace for Dwayne Bowe
Wallace is currently my #2 WR and Bowe is his RB/WR. My current WRs Jennings, Wallace, Cotchery, Knox, Gaffney, Holmes, Burleson. I had Bowe last year and got burned pretty bad. Now, all I hear is positive news coming from KC. Thoughts? 9/7/2010 12:29:59 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "so you are scared about Desean facing Green Bay, but not Boldin facing Revis and the Jets defense?" |
I did not even think about Revis and the Jets before that post. Fuck, bad defensive matchups for my teams this week. Appreciate the input from everyone though. I'll just stick to the best players and hope for the best.
^ I would trade Bowe for Wallace. Wallace basically will not have a QB for the first 1/4th of the season and Bowe is still the #1 receiver for a team with a decent QB that will be playing from behind and passing a lot.
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM. Reason : sd]9/7/2010 12:53:50 PM |
ndmetcal All American 9012 Posts user info edit post |
Here's my keeper sqaud: QB Joe Flacco RB LeSean McCoy RB Ray Rice RB Ryan Matthews WR Larry Fitz WR Calvin Johnson WR Santan Moss TE Owen Daniels D/ST Minny K Who cares
Bench RB Ahmad Bradshaw RB Tashard Choice WR J-Co WR Lee Evans WR Kevin Walter WR Golden Tate WR Legedu Naanee QB Brett Favre
I'm pretty content with my top 3 RBs with Bradshaw as my go-to guy on the bench for a bye fill-in, injury replacement, etc. My question is what to do about my #3 WR. Should I try to trade Favre for a better option? Should I drop Choice for Jacoby Jones or Patrick Crayton (as one of the secondary WRs for SD & Hou should be able to put up numbers)? Is Evans even worth keeping since he's Buffalo's only WR? 9/7/2010 1:00:25 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I say Grant because he's consistent and Kubiak is insane. Foster could have a fumble on the opening drive and he might not see the field the rest of the season. I just don't trust Houston RBs, any of them." |
thing is, Slaton and Jeremiah Johnson (Foster's two backups) are both nursing injuries and are questionable to play. Foster is going to get the ball a ton and I think he is going to be a stud this season.9/7/2010 1:02:15 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
QB Jay Cutler WR Miles Austin WR DeSean Jackson WR Marques Colston RB Steven Jackson RB Felix Jones TE Tony Gonzalez W/R Terrell Owens W/R/T --empty--
K Garrett Hartley D Miami
BN Donald Brown BN Ben Roethlisberger BN Austin Collie BN Dustin Keller BN Dexter McCluster -- Passing Touchdowns 6 Interceptions -2 Rushing Yards 10 yards per point; 2 points at 150 yards; 3 points at 160 yards; 5 points at 180 yards Rushing Touchdowns 6 Reception Yd 20 yards per point; 2 points at 125 yards; 3 points at 150 yards; 5 points at 175 yards Reception Touchdowns 6 Return Yards 30 yards per point -- Should I start Austin Collie in the last flex spot and wait to pick up someone or go ahead and fill the spot looking to the future? I don't fully understand the waiver wire yet, but I've seen a few mentions about nabbing Larry Johnson if he's available. TreeTwista said grab the best available RB/WR, which by %owned would be Vincent Jackson, Kenny Britt, or Jericho Cotchery and by projected Fan Points Jackson, Snelling, Jones, Bell, Manningham with some of those having very low % ownership. Would it help to see my matchup's roster? I guess H2H may not be the greatest 'first time' setting. *shrug*
Also, with these endless debates on who to start which week, it seems as though my bench doesn't offer such a conundrum. 9/7/2010 1:22:59 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^ with your scoring you really should have drafted a better QB than Cutler. Who is still available?
Collie is a good choice this week for the Flex. Texans/Colts will be high scoring and Indy is a pass heavy offense.
Dont bother grabbing Jackson until he finds a new team. Doesnt look like he is going to play for the Chargers this year. Kenny Britt is a #1/#2 WR for the Titans so he is worth a look, but the way your scoring works out, QB and RB are going to get the bulk of your points so try to find a RB to fill the flex. 9/7/2010 1:44:14 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah everyone started grabbing QBs early as fuck and I knew the scoring system favored them more than usual, but I didn't think it was that important and once I didn't snag an elite it just didn't seem wise to waste any picks because once Rivers was gone everyone else was pretty unimpressive. I grabbed Cutler late and then Roethlisberger even later hoping that his suspension would get reduced. In hindsight I guess I could have picked Rodgers or Brees instead of Jackson in the first round, but as I've said before I'm a complete noob this year. And now, looking over the draft results I could definitely have picked Brees over Miles Austin in Round 2. c'est la vie. What now?
9/7/2010 2:03:00 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
^start McCluster in your flex spot over Collie - especially since you get return yards. McCluster will have the ball in his hands 2-3 times as much as Collie this week. Collie will likely have lik 2 or 3 receptions, while McCluster will be used out of the backfield, as a receiver and as a returner. 9/7/2010 2:27:39 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
I can't remember where I read or how I knew about McCluster, but after grabbing him as my last round pick, I was pleased to see that someone else picked him or was at least talking about him. 9/7/2010 2:44:11 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^^ risky to take a rookie over a proven contributor. Granted there is bigger upside to McCluster than Collie, but it is the first game of the season and, in general, rookies generally start slow and contribute more as the year progresses. He is behind Charles and Jones in the RB spot, and behind Bowe and Chambers (and a couple of other experienced guys) in the WR spot. Collie is a better receiver in a more prolific offense. In other words youre looking at return yards mostly. 9/7/2010 2:59:01 PM |
Russ1331 All American 1185 Posts user info edit post |
Need some Advice
Current Line up
QB - Brees RB1 - Ryan Matthews RB2 - Shonn Greene Rb3 - Knowshon Moreno Wr1 - Randy Moss Wr2 - Percy Harvin D S/T - Arizona K - Ryan Longwell
I am trying to decide about Shonn Greene since he has to play Baltimore this week. Would you play him or start Jonathan Stewart vs Giants. I also have Dwayne Bowe but I couldnt see starting him.
Let me know what you guys think 9/7/2010 6:54:04 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
My second draft is tonight. $20 league. And yet again I got the first overall pick and took Chris Johnson. 9/7/2010 7:15:00 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
plz guise i have a match 9/7/2010 7:40:18 PM |
mcaflo All American 1429 Posts user info edit post |
So we started our draft during lunch today at work (first 7 rounds) and we are gonna finish it up tomorrow (16 rounds total). I am a FF newb and could use any help i can get...I know I am weak at WR. Yahoo standard (no PPR) +5pts for 100yrds scoring - 12 person league
My team in progress: RB Ray Rice RB Rashard Mendenhall QB Philip Rivers WR Hines Ward WR Percy Harvin TE Jason Witten WR Robert Meachem
Who should I focus on in the next few rounds before picking up Kicker/Def?
Top of the list WR's left Vincent Jackson*, SD WR O Santana Moss, Was WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Sea WR P Braylon Edwards, NYJ WR Steve Breaston, Ari WR Bernard Berrian, Min WR Lee Evans, Buf WR Santonio Holmes*, NYJ WR O Terrell Owens, Cin WR Dez Bryant, Dal WR P Johnny Knox, Chi WR Derrick Mason, Bal WR Devery Henderson, NO WR Devin Aromashodu, Chi WR Austin Collie, Ind WR P Nate Burleson, Det WR Kenny Britt, Ten WR Louis Murphy, Oak WR Kevin Walter, Hou WR Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ WR Joey Galloway, Was WR Early Doucet, Ari WR Josh Morgan, SF WR Mike Williams, TB WR Devin Hester, Chi WR
top of the list RBs left Thomas Jones, KC RB Fred Jackson, Buf RB Q Darren McFadden, Oak RB Donald Brown, Ind RB Darren Sproles, SD RB Steve Slaton, Hou RB P LaDainian Tomlinson, NYJ RB Tim Hightower, Ari RB Chester Taylor, Chi RB Montario Hardesty, Cle RB P Laurence Maroney, NE RB Willis McGahee, Bal RB Correll Buckhalter, Den RB P Kevin Smith, Det RB P Marshawn Lynch, Buf RB P Leon Washington, Sea RB Bernard Scott, Cin RB Rashad Jennings, Jac RB Brian Westbrook, SF RB P Julius Jones, Sea RB Anthony Dixon, SF RB Kareem Huggins, TB RB Toby Gerhart, Min RB P Tashard Choice, Dal RB Jason Snelling, Atl RB Mewelde Moore, Pit RB Javon Ringer, Ten RB Mike Bell, Phi RB P Jerious Norwood, Atl RB Fred Taylor, NE RB Larry Johnson, Was RB Sammy Morris, NE RB Derrick Ward, TB RB Andre Brown, NYG RB P Kevin Faulk, NE RB Joe McKnight, NYJ RB Maurice Morris, Det RB
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 7:58 PM. Reason : s] 9/7/2010 7:57:26 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
with Rivers and Witten, you don't really need a backup QB or TE
so I'd say pickup RB/WR depth with your next 7 picks, get a defense in the 15th and a kicker in the last round
and make sure you dont draft Hardesty, he's out for the season
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .] 9/7/2010 8:13:39 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^ risky to take a rookie over a proven contributor. Granted there is bigger upside to McCluster than Collie, but it is the first game of the season and, in general, rookies generally start slow and contribute more as the year progresses. He is behind Charles and Jones in the RB spot, and behind Bowe and Chambers (and a couple of other experienced guys) in the WR spot. Collie is a better receiver in a more prolific offense. In other words youre looking at return yards mostly." |
Quote : | "Following Jerheme Urban's placement on season-ending injured reserve, McCluster is the Chiefs' top option for the slot receiver spot. Recommendation: Of course, McCluster will get time at other positions as well, but with Urban out of the picture, the rookie has a clear path to playing time when the Chiefs employ three-receiver sets." |
9/7/2010 8:36:32 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^thats great but again its a risk to play a rookie over an experienced player. The KC passing game is nowhere near as strong as Indy's so Collie is most definitely the better receiver (and I guarantee he will get more looks than McCluster). He isnt really an RB option so the only reason to go with him (IMO of course) is the return yards. I think Collie has more value at the flex position than McCluster.
Not arguing with you here....just stating how I think and what I would do. 9/7/2010 9:26:33 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
Here's one of my rosters, just for the hell of it QB Matt Schaub WR Miles Austin WR Donald Driver WR Mike Wallace RB Chris Johnson RB Beanie Wells TE Antonio Gates K Mason Crosby D Minnesota BN Felix Jones BN Eli Manning BN Vincent Jackson BN Braylon Edwards BN Steve Slaton BN Dustin Keller
And the other team: QB Joe Flacco RB Chris Johnson RB Knowshon Moreno RB/WR Brandon Jacobs WR Brandon Marshall WR Calvin Johnson TE Dallas Clark D Eagles K Jay Feely HC Saints Coach BN Hakeem Nicks BN Clinton Portis BN Michael Bush BN Kyle Orton BN Dez Bryant BN Heath Miller BN Devery Henderson
Never played with a head coach before. But I get +3 points if the Saints win, and -3 if they lose. I'm more happy with my first team.
Edit to add: Both are 10 team leagues
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ...] 9/7/2010 10:47:31 PM |
Panthro All American 7333 Posts user info edit post |
While I appreciate the addition of an interesting variable in "head coach", I must say that this is borderline absurd. Are you stuck with a coach or can you drop and add them like normal players?
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Here's a question for other fantasy football junkies. When looking at stats on ESPN's bottom line for both NFL and fantasy, how many of you calculate what the fantasy total would be in your league based on those stats? I do that shit all of the time. It's borderline insane. 9/7/2010 10:59:38 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
i don't consciously or subconsciously compute the stats to fantasy #'s, I just kind of keep up with the yards, catches, and scores and use that as a base...you're full-fledged though
its like we both took Spanish in school...I hear Spanish, translate it in my brain to English, think about it in English, figure out my response, and then convert it to Spanish
you just think in Spanish
also we have a HC position in the MW2 league...but the only stat they get credit for is if a game ends in a tie...so Andy Reid went off the board early] 9/7/2010 11:03:46 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
i have a feeling jeff fisher will get me 15 points this season, dont know why
[Edited on September 7, 2010 at 11:05 PM. Reason : maybe because vince young did poorly on the wonderlic lol] 9/7/2010 11:05:26 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
Yes you can drop/add a HC whenever. I don't like it, but that's how the guy set up the league.
And I haven't memorized the scoring for my leagues yet, but once I do then I will be calculating my scores in my head. Or just look at my phone and bring up my fantasy league on there. I know you can adjust your roster from a blackberry on Yahoo. This is my first time playing fantasy football on ESPN, so I don't know how hard/easy it is to do on a blackberry. 9/7/2010 11:14:24 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Jeff Fisher? I think you mean Titans Coach 9/7/2010 11:15:50 PM |
phishbfm All American 4715 Posts user info edit post |
just had a second draft, 12 team league...a bit concerned but I think i'll be alright:
1. (8) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR) 2. (17) Pierre Thomas (NO - RB) 3. (32) DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) 4. (41) Ronnie Brown (Mia - RB) 5. (56) Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) 6. (65) Kevin Kolb (Phi - QB) 7. (80) Owen Daniels (Hou - TE) 8. (89) Clinton Portis (Was - RB) 9. (104) Carson Palmer (Cin - QB) 10. (113) Steve Breaston (Ari - WR) 11. (128) Jacoby Jones (Hou - WR) 12. (137) Willis McGahee (Bal - RB) 13. (152) Lawrence Tynes (NYG - K) 14. (161) Chicago (Chi - DEF) 9/8/2010 9:03:08 AM |
sncsu3 Veteran 113 Posts user info edit post |
Who should I start week 1:
Eli v. Panthers Matt Ryan @ Pittsburgh Hassellback v. 49ers
QBs in our league don't receive points on yrd. until 250 yards. 9/8/2010 9:10:41 AM |
Panthro All American 7333 Posts user info edit post |
Eli. None are great options, but the others are worse. 9/8/2010 10:01:09 AM |
OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
Should I start Owen Daniels vs. Indy (only getting 15-20 snaps) or someone like Fasano vs. Buffalo who is going to play the whole game? 9/8/2010 12:28:27 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
^^^I might go with Matt Ryan there
^tough one, I think I would go with Fasano and give Daniels a week to get up to speed and see how much he's actually going to contribute with limited snaps 9/8/2010 1:29:42 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
pick 1 RB (Frank Gore is my RB1) non-ppr league:
Arian Foster vs. Indy (my current starter) Shonn Greene vs. Baltimore Matt Forte vs. Detroit
pick 3 WR, non-ppr league, but you do get 1 point for every 20 return yards (top 3 are my current starters):
Desean Jackson vs GB Anquan Boldin @ NYJ (revis island) Percy Harvin @ NO Malcolm Floyd @ KC Joshua Cribbs @ TB (I'll have to drop Big Ben and pick up Cribbs, my starting QB is Aaron Rodgers)
Pick 2 RB (same league as above), top two are my current starters:
Frank Gore @ Seattle Arian Foster vs. Indy Pierre Thomas vs. Minny Matt Forte vs. Detroit Jerome Harrison @ TB
thanks in advance! 9/8/2010 1:38:46 PM |
saps852 New Recruit 80068 Posts user info edit post |
quick question for people in keeper leagues
what do you do when someone trades a keeper to another team? 9/8/2010 2:37:56 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I like Matt Forte over Arian Foster due to the matchup in both of your RB situations, at least until we know how much Mike Martz is going to utilize the run.
Have you thought about Floyd over Boldin in your WR dilemma? Floyd is the #1 against a bad KC defense while Boldin will be stranded on the island. The Chargers did put up 43 points against KC last year and I think they can do it again.
FYI CJ Spiller has been named the starting RB for the Bills on Sunday. Should be a good play at the flex position.
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM. Reason : a] 9/8/2010 3:23:28 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
^ You scared?
Pick 3 of the 4, or which one would you leave out of the line up?
A Foster vs Colts C Benson vs NE P Thomas vs Minn Ray Rice vs NYJ
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM. Reason : f] 9/8/2010 3:26:55 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
^ You, sir, should be afraid of the impending domination by deez nuts
Leave out Ray Rice. He is garbage anyways. Andre Brown should be at the top of your list
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM. Reason : a] 9/8/2010 3:41:02 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
I might take your fake advice as a sign of my confidence in our match up. Actually as crazy as it sounds Rice may be the one to sit. 9/8/2010 3:43:18 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
I dont want you claim a handicap when you get crushed so Ill give you real advice. Id play Rice, Foster, and Benson. Thomas has a touch matchup against a good defensive line.
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM. Reason : a] 9/8/2010 3:56:02 PM |
GenghisJohn bonafide 10252 Posts user info edit post |
Alright, I think week 1 may be too early to be thinking about matchups, but here we go anyway
i had started Anquan Boldin, but now that Revis is back I'm wondering if I should sit him -- my other two options are Malcom Floyd Mike Wallace
obviously im not gonna start Wallace with Ben out, but Floyd @ KC is tempting -- what do you think, TWW? 9/8/2010 3:57:37 PM |
saps852 New Recruit 80068 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I might take your fake advice as a sign of my confidence in our match up. Actually as crazy as it sounds Rice may be the one to sit." |
not only is it crazy, its also stupid
foster, rice, and thomas are all keepers...sit benson9/8/2010 4:00:35 PM |
Matlock All American 1255 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Who should I start week 1:
Eli v. Panthers Matt Ryan @ Pittsburgh" |
I had the same question.
Quote : | "I might go with Matt Ryan there" |
And that is what I am leaning towards. Plus the league I am in is standard scoring and I also have Smith at WR and Tynes at K so I kinda want to add some non Giant variety to my line-up.
Does anybody think this is an absolutely stupid move?9/8/2010 4:05:26 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Not stupid, but each of the 4 ESPN "experts" gives Eli a higher rank this week, fwiw. 9/8/2010 4:17:38 PM |
Matlock All American 1255 Posts user info edit post |
Well they projected Ryan to have 4 more points this week than Eli on the ESPN fantasy projections online, so I guess I am back to sqare 1.
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .,] 9/8/2010 4:19:23 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Projections are based on expected stats, so touchdowns skew it drastically.
There's no way to predict touchdowns, even with a favorable matchup.
I would put more weight in the expert's rankings, especially when all four of them favor one over the other. 9/8/2010 4:25:01 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
I would also take Eli over Ryan. The Falcons are a run heavy offense and playing away in Pittsburgh. The Giants play at home and have a more pass oriented offense. The Giants also have a better defensive matchup against the Panthers while Ryan plays the Steelers D.
Dont put any faith in Projections.
[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM. Reason : a] 9/8/2010 4:27:50 PM |
Matlock All American 1255 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Projections are based on expected stats, so touchdowns skew it drastically.
There's no way to predict touchdowns, even with a favorable matchup. " |
Yeah I see what you are saying, I guess I didn't look at it that way.
Quote : | "The Giants also have a better defensive matchup against the Panthers while Ryan plays the Steelers D. " |
This is what I was intially thinking, but according to last years stats, the Panthers pass D is much stronger than the Steelers (Panthers in the top 5, Steelers were in the middle of the pack).
I am probably just over thinking this, but I didn't want 3-4 Giants in my starting line-up. Probably just start Manning and take Bradshaw out for Harrison.9/8/2010 4:32:49 PM |