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5/23/2013 8:53:30 PM

AHA, I can't believe you guys have been at this for 11 pages.

This is awesome.

5/24/2013 7:54:07 AM

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"liberals ignoring science?"

this is the best three word troll i've ever seen. nice

5/24/2013 8:17:24 AM

5/24/2013 9:37:01 AM

^ha!

5/24/2013 9:43:57 AM

The bony finger pressing the water fountain button is the best part. I love attention to detail.

5/24/2013 6:15:34 PM

He may be dead but he still has his teeth! Thanks Fluoride!

5/24/2013 7:03:54 PM

New Article:

http://durhamagainstfluoride.com/2013/06/03/los-angeles-healthcare-system-study-links-fluoride-with-1-cause-of-death-cardiovascular-disease/

6/2/2013 11:05:49 PM

If by "new" you mean research published 2 years ago then yes, it is extremely new.

Also, reading comprehension much?

The original publication talks about the feasibility of using Sodium Fluoride as a tracer to measure plaque formation on arterial walls, and a predictor of coronary disease. In other words, they administer it to you intravenously before your scan, and then look for the accumulations to see if your coronary disease is progressing.

The conclusion they reach is that combined anatomic and metabolic imaging with sodium fluoride PET/CT offers a promising, noninvasive method to evaluate atherosclerosis.

Not that fluoride causes coronary heart disease or atherosclerosis. Or kills people.

Here is a link to the journal article that the original publication cites (also new) throughout their paper; a how-to guide on the process: http://interactive.snm.org/docs/MUSC_Sodium18F_with_PET-CT_Bone_V1-JNM.pdf



[Edited on June 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM. Reason : .]

6/3/2013 10:12:13 AM

lol pwned by facts.

6/3/2013 10:25:15 AM

Sayer,

You left out the other conclusion cited in the study itself:

"An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk."

Did you read the entire study? If so you would see the multiple correlations made between hardening of arteries and the level of fluoride uptake.

6/3/2013 10:58:01 AM

does that journal know you are hosting a copy of their publication? they are about to.

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"Unauthorized reproduction of this article is prohibited."

6/3/2013 11:19:39 AM

^^ Increased fluoride uptake is associated with increased cardiovascular risk because it's being used to measure arterial plaque buildup. More uptake equals more plaque equals more risk. The fluoride itself has zero impact on cardiovascular health. It's just a measurement device.

Learn to fucking read!

6/3/2013 11:36:43 AM

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"Increased fluoride uptake is associated with increased cardiovascular risk because it's being used to measure arterial plaque buildup. More uptake equals more plaque equals more risk. The fluoride itself has zero impact on cardiovascular health. It's just a measurement device. Learn to fucking read!"

I'll do more than just quote darkone, because you obviously don't understand what the big paper says.

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"Did you read the entire study?"

Yes, I read the study. Twice. I then went and read the other study that your linked study cited. Did you do that? I'm going to bet no.

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"If so you would see the multiple correlations made between hardening of arteries and the level of fluoride uptake."

It's clear you don't understand what these papers are about. These are not academic studies of the effect of fluoride on cardiovascular health. These papers are studying the feasibility/reliability of using Sodium Fluoride PET/CT scanning to measure arterial plaque buildup and predict further cardiovascular degradation.

To use a crude analogy, it's like they're saying you can measure how much you've grown in a month by using a yard stick, and you're saying it's the yard stick causing people to grow.

it's not the same thing.

[Edited on June 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM. Reason : added stuff]

6/3/2013 11:47:53 AM

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"multiple correlations made between hardening of arteries and the level of fluoride uptake."

that study does not compare level of flouride to hardening

6/3/2013 11:49:19 AM

Again, nothing but density in this message board.

“Given the assumption that fluoride uptake represents dynamic atherosclerotic calcification, we would expect that fluoride uptake occurs at the stage before the formation of detectable calcium deposition. Fluoride uptake either overlaps with calcification or locates adjacent to the detectable calcium deposits, suggesting that fluoride uptake and detectable calcification represent different stages of the atherosclerotic process.”
SOURCE: Li Y, et al. (2012). Association of vascular fluoride uptake with vascular calcification and coronary artery disease. Nuclear Med Comm 33:14-20.

“As with the liver tissue, the hearts from those animals which received the calcification-inducing diet and fluoride were found to contain nearly twice as much calcium and fluoride as those of comparable control animals.”
SOURCE: Stookey GK, Muhler JC. (1963). Relationship between fluoride deposition and metastatic calcification in soft tissues of rat and guinea pig. Proceed Soc Exp Biol Med 113:720-25.

“the fluoride contents of the serum and the aorta are significantly raised compared to normal, suggesting that prolonged administration of fluoride to rabbits results in the accumulation of fluoride in the aorta. It is evident that calcium levels are significantly increased in the aorta of animals administered fluoride, while phosphorus contents remain unaltered. The enhanced calcium content as well as the Ca/P ratio supports the view that the aorta is undergoing mineralization.”
SOURCE: Susheela AK, Kharb P. (1990). Aortic calcification in chronic fluoride poisoning: biochemical and electron microscope evidence. Exp Mol Path 53:72-80.

“A review of the literature indicates that, in skeletal fluorosis, arterial calcifications are common. Over age 60, patients in the high-fluoride group showed a significantly higher incidence of Moenckeberg [arterial] calcifications. A highly significant correlation (p<0.001) was observed between the severity of these calcifications and the severity of skeletal changes within this group.”
SOURCE: Tuncel E. (1984). The incidence of Moenckeberg calcifications in patients with endemic fluorosis. Fluoride 17(1):4-8.

6/3/2013 12:49:43 PM

So your response to a criticism that you are making conclusions that the study does not make, is to copy and paste quotes from other studies


Doesn't work like that

6/3/2013 12:59:01 PM

I believe what he's trying to articulate through quote-bombing is that he believes these studies show that soft tissue absorbs fluoride and calcium, that absorbing these elements leads to tissue minerialization, that tissue minerialization contributes to atherosclerosis, and that artherosclerosis kills people.

6/3/2013 1:37:04 PM

i get what he is trying to do

i'm trying to articulate that his claim that the study he posted correlated levels of flouride with hardening is not true, because that study did not do that.

[Edited on June 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM. Reason : also articulating that i notified the journal of his unauthorized use of their publication]

6/3/2013 1:55:00 PM

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6/6/2013 2:58:49 PM

Cory Sturmer is trying to take away peoples rights in Orange County now too!!

http://www.chapelhillnews.com/2013/06/12/76703/fight-against-fluoride-in-water.html

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"“If Orange County was to remove fluoride from the drinking water, that would mean that a bunch of people would have no choice in a certain aspect of their health because it’s pretty much impossible to buy bottled fluoridated water,” Slade said. “I can understand if people don’t want to drink fluoridated water, but there’s an important difference here because they actually do have a choice. Someone can currently buy bottled water without fluoride, or they can put a filter on that is able to remove fluoride,” he added. “If fluoride is taken out of the water, the opposite does not apply.”"

Cory Sturmer wants to take away your right to drink fluoridated water. Who do you trust, some crackpot who read one book after his teeth got yellow (buy a toothbrush hippie), or a Professor who has actually undertaken studies of water fluoridation?

6/21/2013 11:01:53 AM

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"does that journal know you are hosting a copy of their publication? they are about to. "

To be fair...he isn't hosting a copy of their publication; thewolfweb.com is. Qntmfred is going to be pissed when he gets the cease and desist order!


^ Fluoride is readily available in toothpaste and mouthwash and it's available as a relatively cheap supplement. It's not like we need to get it via drinking water.

6/22/2013 4:56:09 PM

Its hosted on his web page, along with many others. I emailed 5 or 6 journals.

6/22/2013 6:07:42 PM

this page is really embarrassing for thegoldenrul

6/22/2013 9:28:02 PM

I'm very disappointed in dtownral.

6/22/2013 10:00:52 PM

thegoldenrul is a terrorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE6FvTPV6rw

6/23/2013 5:09:33 PM

Saw this, thought it was along the same lines.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iodization-effect-on-iq-2013-7

7/23/2013 7:37:12 PM

reminder that water kills, or brainwashes, or maybe both?

i don't actually know what the argument he made against drinking water was

4/17/2014 6:17:11 PM

http://www.wral.com/portland-plans-reservoir-flush-after-teen-cited/13573549/

4/17/2014 7:58:21 PM

Corey Sturmer is a thief and a liar.

4/17/2014 8:11:09 PM

this thread proved to be entertaining as hell. i loved every single comment and reply. thanks tww.

4/21/2014 2:10:37 PM

Yes, this thread is very entertaining

http://bullcitybulletin.com/2014/04/04/citizens-against-water-fluoridation-letter-number-one/

4/22/2014 11:33:01 AM

I actually read that link. The whole thing. For me it’s just even more evidence that the collective scientific understanding of our country is decreasing. I try to be objective but I'm really struggling here. There are so many assumptions and leaps in logic that I'm actually impressed, and mortified.

I don't understand how a person can put their name to a letter that suggests some sort of linkage between Fluoride consumption and Hitler.

This is why I believe in peer reviewed journals. There are so many logical inconsistencies in that letter that I just don't even know where to start. I especially like where he states that since Fluoride has an NDC it’s a drug and therefore they are medicating people without their consent. Well carbon and carbon dioxide have NDC's as well. Are they drugs? Is having allowable ppm amounts of certain gasses/volatiles in the air drugging the air?

This deserves to be quoted:

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"6.Fluoride pacifies people and makes them more complacent. This characteristic was used by Hitler, Stalin, and numerous other dictators to pacify the population and coerce them more easily into going along with totalitarian, facist ideologies. Why would we risk this in our own society by fluoridating the public?"

4/22/2014 12:02:52 PM

^it's not even worth it, man.

Thread is funny though.

Also, his girl is kinda cute.

4/22/2014 12:21:33 PM

Yeah I just re-read this thread. Everything I said was already hashed out in a significantly more amusing way.

4/22/2014 12:23:14 PM

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"So, somehow these two things (phosphate mining and fertilizer production) are not correlated even though fluoride comes from the same phosphate rock used to produce fertilizer? If fluoride were not pumped into the public water supplies of practically every North Carolina township, what would the phosphate mining companies do with all of the fluoride?"

LOL wow, this is hilarious. It's a argument a middle school kid would make when first venturing into logic and stepping into every logic trap there is. --> http://bullcitybulletin.com/2014/04/04/citizens-against-water-fluoridation-letter-number-one/

[Edited on April 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM. Reason : spaces]

4/25/2014 10:47:21 PM

Since there are so many knowledgeable anonymous cowards on this board who can easily debunk our cogent and logically consistent anti fluoride.arguments, I would like to invite any one of you onto a live Google hangout to debate the issue.

Post here or pm me if you are interested. Serious inquiries only. We will publish the outcome on YouTube for all of the wolf web to digest.

4/26/2014 11:31:32 AM

What does a debate look like when science is not allowed?

4/26/2014 11:40:36 AM

You can bring whatever science you wish to present if you actually think it will adequately refute me. I won't censor any of it.

4/26/2014 11:59:32 AM

will you just ignore it like in this thread? also, is it possible that the lizard man can participate in the hangout?

4/26/2014 12:01:13 PM

Serious inquiries only, no anonymous cowardly trolls please.

4/26/2014 12:05:01 PM

http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/corey-sturmer-the-golden-rule-exclusive-discussion-with-cobra-on-gold-and-its-place-in-human-history-20-june-2012/

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"Resistance Movement.This is a group of freedom fighters who live in subterranean dwellings in the upper part of Earth’s crust. They have a constant physical contact with underground Pleiadian bases in Himalaya and under Bora-Bora island. Their official public contact is Cobra. With assistance from the Confederation, they have cleared all remaining Reptilian forces from this solar system. Shortly after the year 2000 they have also cleared all subterranean Reptilian bases in severe battles. Then they shifted their focus towards clearing most black budget military programs and technologies, which they did successfully. After that they have placed their agents inside the military and alphabet agencies to help the Positive Military group with their Plan that is coming to fruition now. Main motivation of the Resistance Movement is to help liberate the planet, so they can stop living in caves and move on to more prospective missions elsewhere in the Galaxy."

Do you believe that there is a subterranean resistance movement with access to Pleiadian bases in Himalaya and under Bora-Bora?o you believe that Pleiadians are real? (I had to google Pleiadians, they are Nordic humanoid aliens from the stellar system that surrounds the Pleiades stars)

4/26/2014 12:13:29 PM

Serious inquiries only. If you want to debate the existence of extraterrestrial life and their role here on earth that is a totally separate issue from fluoridation, but definitely one I would debate with you if you were not such a coward and troll.

4/26/2014 1:27:31 PM

so then yes, you believe in those things?

do peledians work with reptilians, or are they enemies?


[Edited on April 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM. Reason : pic related: proof of reptilians on earth]

4/26/2014 2:43:22 PM

Let's talk about it on Google hangouts.

4/26/2014 2:58:16 PM

i don't use Google+

is there a site where I can learn more about peledians and reptilians? anywhere I can support someone I suspect of being a reptilian or peledian, or are they good and we shouldn't report them?

4/26/2014 3:02:06 PM

We can do Skype or even a faceless phone call if you have the balls to have a live conversation.

4/26/2014 3:05:34 PM

but it would just be you talking, i don't know anything about peledians.

(I know a lot about reptilians though)

do you have mIRC?

4/26/2014 3:09:08 PM

Why would it be just me talking? don't you also want to debunk my crazy fluoride conspiracy theories? I would be happy to enlighten you about extraterrestrial matters but I never brought that up, you did. If you would like to contest something I myself have stated, you should do so.

4/26/2014 3:15:30 PM

Why can't you have the discussion here?

4/26/2014 4:15:04 PM