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"my expectation is Cam's 30s will look a lot like Randall Cunninghams"

My expectation is Cam's 30s will look a lot like Daunte Culpepper's.

3/25/2020 8:54:13 AM

That's another possibility

I think he'll manage one good year after getting the Kobe Germany HGH treatment

3/27/2020 3:38:51 AM

CMC is now the highest paid RB in the league!

4/13/2020 4:58:00 PM

honestly the money isnt as bad as i expected

4/13/2020 6:08:15 PM

regardless of whether it is smart to pay RBs in general, or if CMC is special enough to be an exception to that rule, or the argument that perhaps it would have been better to trade him now when his value arguably could get no higher --

its smart for us to make the decision to pay him or trade him as early as possible

now that we have committed all that money to him, we really need to find our next starter in the draft soon and save some money at QB

4/13/2020 9:02:03 PM

i dont hate it. better to go ahead and top the market now before the other guys from that draft class (leonard fournette, alvin kamara, dalvin cook, james conner, joe mixon, aaron jones, chris carson - man there are a lot of starting RBs from that draft and thats not even including the disgraced kareem hunt.) obviously CMC is the best of the bunch, but waiting for some of those guys to sign would have in all likelihood pushed his number even higher and some of them will be getting extensions relatively soon as they are all on the final year of their contract, unlike CMC (fournette is in all likelihood not getting his 5th year option picked up and none of the rest were 1st round picks)

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"now that we have committed all that money to him, we really need to find our next starter in the draft soon and save some money at QB"

the panthers signed their QB. bridgewater is a starting quality QB. they aren't going to draft a QB early this year and they shouldn't be at the top of the draft next year (unless no football is played this season) because kyle fucking allen isn't the qb now.

4/14/2020 12:19:54 AM

Kyle Allen is the next Tom Brady

4/14/2020 12:35:52 AM

bridgewater is a golden god

4/14/2020 1:54:14 AM

Bridgewater is here to be a steady option until a young qb is ready, and really is just insurance so we didn’t have to panic and draft a qb high this year. yes, the panthers absolutely need to find a quarterback in the 2021 draft at the latest.

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 3:06 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2020 3:04:12 AM

Teddy will be a good player for us as long as he can stay healthy. I think if we have a good system around him, we'll have him for 3 years.

4/14/2020 10:16:46 AM

to be clear i like teddy and i hope he succeeds for my selfish interests in watching Good Football, and just as much because he deserves to have this chance after all he has been through.

4/14/2020 4:50:26 PM

San Francisco better draft a QB high this year, since Jimmy Garappolo is a year older than Bridgewater. Saints better draft one last year because their QB of the future is 2 years older than Bridgewater!

4/14/2020 5:22:39 PM

I, too, hope Bridgewater succeeds. But he's never been anything more than a game manager, so I don't know if that is supposed to bring excitement.

4/14/2020 6:02:06 PM

I mean he played for fucking Mike Zimmer in Minnesota. That's an offense that just makes every QB look like shit. He wasn't anything close to a "game manager" in college.

Drafting anything other than defense or OL in the early rounds the next couple years is a terrible idea barring catastrophic injury to a skill position player.

4/14/2020 6:06:11 PM

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"San Francisco better draft a QB high this year, since Jimmy Garappolo is a year older than Bridgewater"

holy shit dude you really are a piece of work. where the fuck did i say that. i'm talking about windows of being competitive, and if you can find a talented rookie who makes nothing being able to reinvest those cap savings into making the team stronger elsewhere.

what has bridgewater won that makes you think it'd be outrageous for us to take a shot if the staff thinks they can get their guy?

russell wilson, jared goff, wentz pre extension, mahomes, im sure there are more examples of what im trying to get at

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 6:24 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2020 6:22:25 PM

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"He wasn't anything close to a "game manager" in college."

so? plenty of great college QBs never flourish in the NFL. I'm sure Bridgewater was great in high school too, but that's irrelevant.

4/14/2020 6:41:50 PM

Also I’m sure there is more than one QB in this draft that Shanahan wouldn’t mind getting his hands on and ditching Garappolo if he could swing it.

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 6:48 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2020 6:48:09 PM

He was also progressing well in the NFL prior to his injury. Not to mention he played well in relief of Brees. He is a very good QB.

Mike Zimmer makes John Fox look like an offensive guru. The guy hates points.

4/14/2020 6:49:09 PM

Funny how Bridgewater put up similar stats under offensive bum Mike Zimmer as he did under offensive guru Sean Payton. Maybe that's who Bridgewater is as an NFL QB?

I hope he is a perennial Pro Bowl QB but I don't know which games of his you've been watching.

4/14/2020 7:20:30 PM

Fuck it, let’s get our beers cold, someone get a zoom going. NFL GamePass is free atm, with clear conscience and open heart let’s go to the videotape.

4/14/2020 7:22:12 PM

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"what has bridgewater won that makes you think it'd be outrageous for us to take a shot if the staff thinks they can get their guy"

You're writing him off before he even takes a single snap. What makes you think Bridgewater isn't there guy? They immediately went after him in free agency and the OC is very familiar with him.

Also LOL @ Goff. You probably think Jake Delhomme was a good QB too.

4/14/2020 8:10:48 PM

I’m sure he was talking about the Rams cap flexibility while they had Goff on his rookie deal and not his ability as a QB

4/14/2020 8:13:16 PM

Was just listening to an interview with a guy from PFF from yesterday, he said he'd probably say Bridgewater is a top-25 NFL QB, but not a top-20 guy. What say you, justin?

4/14/2020 8:50:30 PM

Yes, rookie contracts are great when the QB is actually good. The problem is that a lot of times, the QB isn't good. There have been what, 3 QBs in rookie deals win super bowls in the last 10 years?l (Mahomes, Wilson, Wentz*)? But at the same time there have been 30 1st round QBs drafted (over 50 thru the first 3 rounds.) Drafting a QB this year is a terrible idea. This class is topped by a one year wonder and the next couple guys have serious questions - Tua has had trouble staying healthy and Herbert is the classic "this guy looks like a QB so he must be good in spite of his questionable stats". Next year is obviously the year of Justin Fields/Trevor Lawrence, but you're gonna have to be in the top 2-3 to get one of them and the Panthers aren't going to be at the bottom of the NFL. Trading up is great except you lose all your best draft capital for likely 2 years to do that, thus negating that value gained by having a QB on a cheaper contract than a vet.

I think drafting a QB high is a great idea if your team sucks. The Panthers don't suck. They have loads of talent on the offensive side of the ball. They need to draft defensive talent early and often, not gamble on a QB and waste the prime of McCaffrey's career. The Panthers have 3 young QBs on the roster, including 2 handpicked by the new coaching staff. QB is right above RB in terms of need for this team. If the Panthers wanted to draft a QB high, they wouldn't have signed Bridgewater, because simply by replacing Allen (who was the worst QB in the NFL) with Teddy the Panthers are no longer in competition for a top draft pick.

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 9:05 PM. Reason : I say that guy is dumb. I'll be saving these posts for when Bridgewater leads the Panthers to the championship]

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 9:08 PM. Reason : I'm a teddy two gloves stan and I don't care who knows it]

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 9:08 PM. Reason : He's the anti-delhomme]

4/14/2020 9:04:39 PM

^^^ thank you sir

and again justin im not saying bridgewater sucks. im saying if we want to win with mccaffrey on this team with that contract its not to our advantage to overpay at the QB position relative to the value we are getting unless your suspicions are correct and he's at least Very Good.

are we going to build a team that competes this year, or next? That's why im saying look to draft a QB by 2021 -- because if it takes two years for us to build a team around the offense, the next year is the last year of Teddy's contract, and he won't likely play without an extension.

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 9:12 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2020 9:09:21 PM

well no shit justin most rookie QBs arent good

most free agent QBs arent good either or they wouldnt have been allowed to change teams

we are talking about playing the percentages and getting the best possible chances to compete

4/14/2020 9:11:26 PM

ibtTriple post suspend

Flacco also was a rookie when the ravens won in 2012 so that’s 4* rookie qbs in the last ten years. 40% certainly is worth taking notice of. Look at how having to pay Flacco immediately fucked the ravens up.

(*yes you are correct we could debate wentz counting but let’s not and say we did)


anyway it’s all pointless I will stop responding to this nonsense as its obvious I was right the first time with your Finley hate, I am getting thoroughly trolled

4/14/2020 10:12:05 PM

the bridgewater contract is structured pretty clearly to give us a 2 year window of him starting before we transition out of him one way or another

his salary is also at the absolute bottom of locked in starting qbs before you drop off to guys still on rookie contracts or starter-backup tweeners like tyrod, fitzpatrick and now mariota

i think its probably fair to ask whether he's one of those tweeners and if we shouldve just gotten a mariota instead, but w/e, we clearly went after him because of the joe brady connection and the commitment is such that he can easily be shuffled on for another qb if he doesnt work out

4/15/2020 2:47:31 PM

Shit I hope the Panthers draft somebody as good as Joe Flacco!!!!

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"if we shouldve just gotten a mariota instead,"

LMAO

4/15/2020 3:19:42 PM

its okay justin, you beat me because you love me

the argument is not *draft a qb who turns out to be the best in the league* it is draft a qb who is competent in your system and can be trusted to take advantage of the available weapons

yes, the answer to "is joe flacco elite" was of course no. but he damn sure could air it out and heap and anquan etc could take advantage of it, allowing that money to go to the defense

is jared goff a top 10 qb? no. but the combo of the first year of mcvays system taking the league by surprise and the weapons available (and of course Wade Philips excellent defense) took them to the super bowl.

again i know you are trolling because the argument im making couldnt be any clearer, but i can't help myself

4/15/2020 7:30:59 PM

the confusing Bridgewater adoration is the yin to justin's irrational Finley hate yang

4/15/2020 8:33:52 PM

Maybe 20mil is decent going rate for QB for panthers lately

4/15/2020 10:21:30 PM

playing around with these mock draft things gets kind of close to playing fantasy football/madden but if you dick around with it theres a lot of reason for the panthers to trade down this year

basically it's almost guaranteed one of a few guys will drop to us at 7 (i think worst case scenario you're left with your pick of the OTs) and given it's a Hurney Draft that will probably work out, but where the franchise is at they need a lot more than one guy and there's a ton of good talent in between picks 20-100 this draft

even something that drops you from 7 to 10ish, then another trade down to 20ish I would consider to pile up picks. There's actually a group of guys projected to go around pick 20 that I like about as much as Simmons/Okudah (not really a fan of taking a CB in the top 10 tbh unless theyre like patrick peterson and can do other things, also im pretty meh on brown. he reminds me of another auburn dt that we were linked to that didnt end up doing much)

4/20/2020 4:04:36 PM

I don’t know that I’ve read or heard one bad thing about Brown

if he’s still there when we pick, seems like a very easy pick

4/20/2020 4:34:41 PM

Simmons would be my ideal choice, but I’d be ok with brown (if they stay pat at 7).

4/20/2020 6:08:34 PM

Not sure how many teams are going to be rushing to trade up in this particular draft given the increased uncertainty about players and not being able to evaluate them as closely as you would in a normal year. So you can't trade down if you don't have a trade partner.

4/20/2020 6:10:18 PM

I'd be surprised if Simmons dropped to the Panthers. Also, think anything other than defense in round 1 is a mistake.

4/20/2020 6:25:04 PM

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"Not sure how many teams are going to be rushing to trade up in this particular draft given the increased uncertainty about players and not being able to evaluate them as closely as you would in a normal year. So you can't trade down if you don't have a trade partner."

agree with the logic here although this could also mean if youre sitting in the teens and the one guy you fell in love with and were able to get a full scout of/talk to before things shut down is still there at 7 you might want to make that move...

but yeah, that whole idea is why id rather load up on 2nd and 3rd rounders than one pick at #7 if we could. not saying its doable

im bracing myself for simmons because it seems like the most Panthers pick, but im not convinced we need to do it in the top 10. everyone talks about him as this unique guy or whatever but im pretty sure i heard all this same shit about adalius thomas who was a 6th rounder that was really only an impact player for like 2 or 3 seasons

[Edited on April 20, 2020 at 7:20 PM. Reason : a]

4/20/2020 7:19:30 PM

^Some analysts have Simmons as the top overall player in the draft, we better pick IMMEDIATELY if Simmons falls to us. He is a top 5 talent, we'd be lucky if he or Okudah fell to us.

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"Not sure how many teams are going to be rushing to trade up in this particular draft given the increased uncertainty about players and not being able to evaluate them as closely as you would in a normal year. So you can't trade down if you don't have a trade partner."

On the flip side, you have some teams that DID get to evaluate players before the quarantine started, so perhaps teams that found "their guy" they trust and want to move up to get them, would make sense.

If one of the QBs slide, if a team jumps up for one of the OTs, if Okudah/Simmons slip and some team is enamored, etc.

I'd say there are more likely to be 1st round trades than later round for the very reason you pointed out. I think the top guys are the safer picks and teams will want to try and limit their risk.

We just need 3 QBs to go before we pick so we'll have a good shot at landing one of those top 4 defensive players(Young, Okudah, Simmons, Brown). This draft should be about rebuilding the defense, despite it being a great draft for OTs and WRs.

4/21/2020 9:07:49 AM

No way Young slides to us. Generational pass-rushers don't last to pick 7.

Brown, Simmons, or Okudah (my personal fave) could definitely all be in play though. All would be filling huge needs.

4/21/2020 3:17:41 PM

^Just wanted to add, the great thing about all three of those potential picks is that they're all really intelligent, super high-character, student-of-the-game guys.

Watch the interviews with Simmons and Okudah from the combine. Super impressive. And Brown's academics were off the charts; he was nominated for some big national academic award this past year. Any one of those guys could be team leaders for the next decade.



[Edited on April 21, 2020 at 3:26 PM. Reason : Now that I've said that, watch us pick Justin Herbert or something dumb]

4/21/2020 3:25:31 PM

i think the sensible move would be to trade down and pick up some more assets, maybe into the 15-20 range where we could still pick up a CB

but if we do stay at 7 i feel good with the players on the board. 8 of the 12 first rounders hurney has selected have made at least one pro bowl.

4/21/2020 5:06:51 PM

No doubt, but as others have mentioned, you gotta find a trade partner. And since I'm considering this a lost season most likely, I'd like to grab a possible perennial all-pro defensive player at 7 to have for the next decade.

4/21/2020 5:20:23 PM

Yes Hurney has been pretty successful at drafting 1st rounders, so don't trade down for more picks that aren't in the 1st, because his success outside the 1st isn't good. Just get the best (defensive) guy you can.

4/21/2020 5:21:45 PM

Fuck it, package 38 and a second next year and trade back into the bottom of the first

4/21/2020 5:44:45 PM

Yeah we don't need to waste time stocking up for this year, Bucs are gonna run the division now (wild, right?) with Brady and Gronk, and Falcons have been making some big moves too. Saints are gonna stay a contender. So might as well get some solid patches on the defensive side of the ball and wait a year til the Bucs run out of money and Ryan and Brees keel over

4/21/2020 8:59:39 PM

4/22/2020 8:46:16 AM

^^I agree this draft should be defense-focused, but I think for a different reason.

This year is going to be a complete rebuilding year. We should focus on fixing the defense this year, take our lumps, and hope that we find 2-3 solid starters in the haul. Then next year hope we're in a position to draft a franchise QB to build around. Will be much easier to do if we have cap space and a lot of good defenders on rookie deals.

Our cap space for this year isn't great, but we should really have some cap space in the next couple of years, just have to hope we hit on a few guys in the draft over the next couple of years to put us in a position to contend.

[Edited on April 22, 2020 at 8:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/22/2020 8:48:33 AM