I always bet it. You're pretty much a favorite over any hand, even though you are drawing. I could post more on the subject but the wife is about to kill me.

7/26/2006 2:03:58 AM

late night FT sweat... $20 on Full tilt. I'm 4th going in

5385970

7/26/2006 3:07:48 AM

Finished 5th... boo

Had a guy quad up on me the last hand, not that he needed to AK vs 88

7/26/2006 3:56:35 AM

Quote :

"I dunno how anyone else feels, but some of these statements are bullshit. I see people on here who routinely feel like they have to degrade other people's game simply because it isn't for as high of stakes as they play for. I'm actually not trying to single you out Ben, this is the first time I've noticed you doing it. The simple fact is, as a general rule, the size of your bankroll doesn't equate to your skill level. There are idiots at every level of play, just like there are really good players at every level of play. This thread is intended for discussion on poker, not discussions on how cool you think you are because you play at high limit tables. I am sure the pros wouldn't think that a 5/10 game was that big of a deal when compared with some of the games they play. On a side note, I would agree to keeping the freeroll and/or play money stories in a seperate thread. Those games are ridiculous."

gahdamn, called out.

Quote :

"I see people on here who routinely feel like they have to degrade other people's game simply because it isn't for as high of stakes as they play for."

now, i try very hard not to do this. many people on here know that i still will play as low as 1/2 online. done that for years. the game is a different beast. i think i am probably the most active poster in this thread, and id like to think that ive tried to help people that play at all levels, for the most part. its not like a see a .50/1 hand and scoff at it or refuse to read it due the fact that its a few levels below where i frequent. thats absurd. this thread should be about helping each other grow and sharing silly stories. many stupid and silly things happen around the game.

sure it may appear as if recently ive sorta turned this thread into a poker blog. without hand histores due to playing live, its hard to really portray the action and the questions i have. i still try and reenact the aciton however, but i think i have digressed a bit to the point of only posting hands which i lost. maybe these are easier to remember, maybe its just frustration, who knows. ill stop that then.

Quote :

"I'm actually not trying to single you out Ben, this is the first time I've noticed you doing it. "

if you reread my last post, it is a story, not a calling out of someone for losing a $100 stack.

it creeped me out to have someone come up to me and tell me a bad beat story while im using the facilities. it made me uncomfortable, and was a strange situation. i tell BB stories all the time, but never to someone while they are taking a leak. the stakes i could care less about, but thats the $ amount he said, not one i made up.

Quote :

"The simple fact is, as a general rule, the size of your bankroll doesn't equate to your skill level. There are idiots at every level of play, just like there are really good players at every level of play. "

completely agree!!

playing 20/40 on a weekend at borgata, you see many of these independantly wealthy gentlemen who are absolutely terrible populating the table. its great, but damn if it doesnt make some sticky situations. its much harder to see where you are at. sometimes that game plays worse than the casino 2/4 (which equates to about .05/.10 online). they are playing wide open, 95% of hands, etc. they just dont want to sit at a lower game, but dont feel comfortable in the high limit room. there is no middle limit really at borgata, its 20/40 or 40/80. these guys would probably love somethinglike a 30/60. i cant handle the swings yet and am stuck back in 10/20 till i build at least a 500 BB roll for the 20 game. On the other end, the 1/2 NL games in casinos around AC have become ridiculous. its no longer the cash cow it used to be. with the growth of online play, and so many poeple putting in so many hours learning, developing a game, and playing, there are so many people my age that play the 1/2 that are tough as fucking nails. Some of the best players ive ever seen play the 1/2 in AC. (which, is the lowest NL game available)

i dont even play NL anymore live. the regulars are levels above me, and its frightening really.

Quote :

"This thread is intended for discussion on poker, not discussions on how cool you think you are because you play at high limit tables. I am sure the pros wouldn't think that a 5/10 game was that big of a deal when compared with some of the games they play. "

also agree.

i thought it was cool for a while when i was playing 30/60 lo8 everyday online.

then i got destroyed for a week and shat all over myself, teaching me a lesson.

im not satisfied with a red chip game, im not gonna be happy till im killin the yellow games.

i dont want to come off as sounding pretentious due to the stories i tell... i dont intend to, but i guess ill stop. its just there are times where this thread is rather dead, and ill drop a few hands in. but whatever.

7/26/2006 8:50:55 AM

Quote :

"ok, strategy talk... we're in an online mtt with a good stack arund the 1st break (or whenever) and flopped an Open-Ended Straight Flush draw... How do y'all normally handle such a hand? Draw or Bet?"

if you are around the first break with a good stack, theres really no need to get too involved here.

i mean, in later rounds, push hard, but i hate getting too attached to a draw early in a tournament.

its one of those situations where both actions are correct.

(obviously except chk/call, chk/call, chk/fold)

7/26/2006 9:46:50 AM

Make a thin value bet on this river?

Ive raised preflop the last 3 hands in a row.

MP with Jh Js.

UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP folds, i bump it up to 2 bets.

fold, fold, sb calls, bb calls.

flop is Kd Jc Th.

sb bets, bb folds, i raise.

turn is a Qs

check/check.

river is a middling low card that is inconsequential.

checks to us.


we......


a.) bet with plans to fold to a raise
b.) bet with plans to call down a raise
c.) table our set and cry
d.) ....
e.) profit

7/26/2006 9:51:19 AM

Nevermind, just read the last page.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 9:52 AM. Reason : ...]

7/26/2006 9:51:21 AM

i stand by what I said the last page.

if some guy gets offended that you are playing in higher limits then f him

i dont want to hear anyone's bad beat story for any amount of money, but like i said before, 4-5 posts on every page is someone playing small stakes and getting a bad beat by a horrible player, when likely they could have avoided it. When you are playing for 20 bucks, it is more likely to happen, and if you cant afford to lose the 20 you shouldnt be playing so dont whine about it

7/26/2006 9:52:12 AM

C

7/26/2006 9:52:50 AM

Next strategy post.

how ofter do you call down a guy who is loooooooseeee passive preflop then kicks it up to utra laggggg post flop?

have shown to bet for value with gutshots, flush draws, oesds, tpgk, tptk, mptk, and basically any two combinations of cards.

what values do you deem necessary to call down for showdown value?

These guys are ultra dangerous. they usually have swingggggggggsss.

hes on an upswing. when these guys run right, they run really right. hes up 4 racks in a game where you buy in for 1 rack standardly.



We raise out with Jd Jh in EP.

one of those talkative kids, looks at me and says "i know guys just like you, raise out with the goods then bet the flop no matter what hits right? you play a simple game"

[ok champ.]

he calls, rest of table folds (???)

flop is Q25 suits inconsequential.

we check to show that we're not going to bet every flop, but well let him do the betting for us.

of course he bets.

where do we go now?

7/26/2006 9:58:32 AM

My thing is as soon as i build up a nice bank... i have to pay someone with it
damn owning parents money shit.

7/26/2006 10:24:37 AM

i have the schedule for TWWSOP. the events dont start for an entire month. should i post the schedule now, or do yall want it in 2 weeks?

7/26/2006 11:27:22 AM

go ahead and post it so we can start arguing

7/26/2006 12:24:47 PM

aha agreed

7/26/2006 12:29:08 PM

Ok, here is the schedule. We will need a minimum of 4 players for each tourney, otherwise the event will not run. There are 6 events, and your top 4 scores will count. I tried to mix up the games as best I could, and kept them on Tuesdays, minus the first event.

All tourneys will be played on Full Tilt. You can view all the tournaments now, and pre register, by going to the "tournaments" tab, and then selecting "private". You can search by date, or by double clicking on an event will bring up the "TWWSOP Summer 2006 Event "X"".

Passwords for all tourneys are "TWW2006".
All buyins are $10+1.

8/24/06: No Limit Hold Em
8/29/06: Pot Limit Omaha
9/5/06: No Limit Hold Em
9/12/06: HORSE
9/19/06 Pot Limit Omaha H/L
9/26/06 No Limit Hold Em

Scores will be posted after every tournament. Event times and days cannot be changed. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

7/26/2006 1:28:41 PM

im prly in

7/26/2006 3:16:00 PM

have put it on my agenda.

7/26/2006 3:26:13 PM

have yall watched this speed poker trash on fsn?

7/26/2006 3:31:56 PM

i havent had cable in over a month =(

7/26/2006 4:05:02 PM

i swear these people have no idea how to play poker

they get all giddy and bet the hell out of the nuts and everyone folds

7/26/2006 4:53:16 PM

crazy 1k/2k 7CS game on FT.. d'agostino, juanda, and singer still going


juanda is stuck almost 200k.. they got mad at ram vaswani for a 75k hit and run.. lol


this is like high stakes poker on GSN except no gabe kaplan



[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 7:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2006 7:16:35 PM

what time is the twwsop tourneys?

7/26/2006 7:38:53 PM

8:00

7/26/2006 7:45:52 PM

Ram Vaswani and Andy Bloch too....

who's Genius28?

7/26/2006 8:13:13 PM

aha andy bloch is talking to all the railbirds

7/26/2006 8:13:32 PM

ram vaswani is horrible at stud

7/26/2006 8:15:07 PM

i just saw that Madsen is in 3rd at the final table of the stud event...

what a story this kid is

7/26/2006 8:18:13 PM

madsen?

7/26/2006 8:35:59 PM

yeah Jeff Madsen

7/26/2006 8:54:11 PM

go on.

remember, as of a few days ago, i didnt have internet or tv for more than a month.

a bit out of the loop.

jeff madsen means very little to me by name recognition.

7/26/2006 8:57:23 PM

7/26/2006 9:46:45 PM

Pretentious play chip scoff~~~

7/26/2006 10:04:05 PM

ben, sorry... wasnt paying attention

http://pokernews.com/news/2006/7/wsop-results-twice-nice-madsen.htm

long story short, he took his college fund and borrowed money from his parents to play. now hes made 4 final tables with a 2 braclets, a 3rd, and now theres 4 left in the stud final table.

7/26/2006 10:11:10 PM

jesus christ.

thanks moe.

7/26/2006 10:12:21 PM

hellmuth finally won his 10th

7/26/2006 11:17:27 PM

ok, lets talk about a hand. late stage of a tourney last night. blinds are 25/50 and im big stack with about 800 chips.

UTG limps. folds to me in the SB where i find 99. i raise it up to 175. BB folds, and UTG goes insta-all in.

whats the right play here? she had about 500+ in chips at the time. 6 people left in the tourney, only 3 pay.

7/27/2006 8:41:57 AM

depending on the type of player this, a UTG limp when the BB is like 1/10th-1/11th of her stack should have been a warning, unless she is terrible, and if she is terrible who knows, but lets say she is decent. You stubbed your toe, so you fold. If I am a big stack there, I may actually see a flop for half price and then make my decision (ie just call) against a bad player. It all depends on the players left and if the amount you are playing for matters to you.

7/27/2006 9:50:23 AM

well.

if you were big stack, it was pretty even it sounds.

there is 175+50+550 (we'll say 550 for ease since you said 500+) = 775 in the pot.

you have 375 to call for a pot holding 775.

you are getting roughly 2:1 money on your call with a pair.

do me a favor, and assign a percentage chance you suspect to see the following hands from UTG.


AA
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
88
77
66
55
44
33
22

AK
AQ
AJ
AT
KQ
KJ

7/27/2006 11:05:20 AM

before i put in the raise, i knew she was going to go all in or fold to my raise. she would have done this with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or AK....possibly AQs.

i ended up folding the hand because i had alot of chips and didnt feel the need to race right then.

she ended up showing AJo after i folded.

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 11:12 AM. Reason : AJo]

7/27/2006 11:12:13 AM

copy that line of hands and assign a percentage adding up to 100%

were gonna do an exercise. =)

7/27/2006 11:14:38 AM

AA 17.5%
KK 17.5%
QQ 10%
JJ 10%
TT 5%
99 0%
88 0%
77 0%
66 0%
55 0%
44 0%
33 0%
22 0%

AK 25%
AQ 15%
AJ 0%
AT 0%
KQ 0%
KJ 0%

She was bigger than the average stack, which is why so many of these hands have 0%. I figured she would have to be strong to limp, then push all in with her stack, know that I would likely be calling her raise with most anything. I think I made the right fold for the situation.

7/27/2006 11:26:22 AM

so.

with that range, youd be surprised.

					
					
Hand:     %                      win%                   equity					
AA	0.175		0.2		0.035
KK	0.175		0.2		0.035
QQ	0.1		0.2		0.02
JJ	0.1		0.2		0.02
TT	0.05		0.2		0.01
AK	0.25		0.56		0.14
AQ	0.15		0.56		0.084
					
			Total:		0.344
					

7/27/2006 12:43:08 PM

thanks for the insight.

props to noidroid who pre-registered for all 6 TWWSOP events!

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 3:54 PM. Reason : f]

7/27/2006 3:46:41 PM

hah, I was bored


lets get that pool going

7/27/2006 4:27:49 PM

yea, thats fine with me, just get everyone who is playing to put in whatever.

where has david been?

7/27/2006 4:30:27 PM

no live games tonight,

looks like online

7/27/2006 4:52:12 PM

I think I got a .5/1 limit dealers choice game(anaconda makes $20+ pots) you can crash Karim.. it is fun

7/27/2006 5:11:56 PM

thanks for the offer, im horrible at the dc games

i mean shit im horrible at HORSE games

7/27/2006 5:59:23 PM

Yeah, that will probably be the one tourney on which I pass.

7/27/2006 6:39:32 PM

I sent in a complaint to Party Poker on this. I won the hand, but ended up busting shortly thereafter. Do you think they'll address this blatant collusion/tabletalking?

***** Hand History for Game 4819450849 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 26575622) - Thu Jul 27 16:56:11 EDT 2006
Table Table 113393 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: pokerman2619 (4294)
Seat 3: ditzichick (1511)
Seat 4: Sparedini (5445)
Seat 5: NutzInYoFace24 (750)
Sparedini posts small blind (30)
NutzInYoFace24 posts big blind (60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NutzInYoFace24 [ Qh, Kd ]
pokerman2619 raises (120) to 120
ditzichick folds.
Sparedini calls (90)
NutzInYoFace24 raises (690) to 750
NutzInYoFace24 is all-In.
pokerman2619: ????
pokerman2619: what u doin spard
Sparedini: foldin
pokerman2619 calls (630)
Sparedini folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1620 with NutzInYoFace24
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, 5h, Qd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jd ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1620 |
Board: [ 2d 5h Qd 9h Jd ]

pokerman2619 balance 3544, lost 750 [ 7h As ] [ high card ace -- As,Qd,Jd,9h,7h ]
ditzichick balance 1511, didn't bet (folded)
Sparedini balance 5325, lost 120 (folded)
NutzInYoFace24 balance 1620, bet 750, collected 1620, net +870 [ Qh Kd ] [ a pair of queens -- Kd,Qh,Qd,Jd,9h ]

The two guys in front of me basically discussed whether or not they would call me. Hopefully at the least 'll get my $$ back.

7/27/2006 9:48:44 PM