In the deposition he mentioned a couple times that he cleaned the floors, etc with vinegar and water. But out on the counter was a spray bottle of Clorox, a spray bottle of 409, a tub of Clorox wipes, etc. First off with two small children you dont leave that shit out on the edge of the counter. Second, wheres the vinegar? And those stairs were spotless. Re watch Det. Daniels testimony if you missed the photos.

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"I just don't know how after watching all this, you could come to the conclusion that he did it."

The whole thing is only so interesting because at this point it could go either way. You can't wait till the end to pick a side, that's no fun at all. Does anyone really think that anything Brad did or how he acted when his wife went missing makes any sense at all?

4/29/2011 2:00:02 PM

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"And he did all of this without leaving one shred of physical evidence, no dna, nothing. "

yes and where did he dump all this stuff??? They searched and searched didn't find anything "dumped/trashed". Don't forget, he allegedly had to dump all the phone equipment etc too.


Where ?

[Edited on April 29, 2011 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2011 2:01:26 PM

Black hole.

4/29/2011 2:05:54 PM

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"Hey optimusprimer. If you were on this jury(or any other murder trial) would you be willing to vote a guy to spend the rest of his life in jail over some theories? Or circumstantial "evidence"?"

No way I would find him guilty with the case they have given him. But I think everyone is in agreement that CPD fucked the dog here, I just happen to believe that because they didn't find evidence does not mean he didn't do it.

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"And he did all of this without leaving one shred of physical evidence, no dna, nothing. and what about the people, including a cary police officer, who saw her running that morning? There's just too much inconsistency and lack of proof to convict this man."

Again, CPD is at fault. And that officer didn't claim to have seen her, he only stated he saw a jogger that he could not say was or wasnt Nancy Cooper.

4/29/2011 2:07:44 PM

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"1. The dress 2. Brad cleaning in the house 3. The garage 4. Nancy's key ring had two keys on it, car and house. Appropriate for a runner, yes? However when she "went running that morning" she left her keys at home. Also she was wearing one diamond stud earring when her body was found. 5. The garage 6. Missing shoes, both from the house and what he was wearing in the HT video 7. Nancy goes missing, Brad doesn't call any of her family 8. Motive- he has it. Brad was intercepting her email/etc, she had recently been in contact with the man she was involved with prior to Brad as well as Jon Pearson who quite possibly could have fathered one of the kids. Nancy had been so upset over the Brad/Heather incident that when Brad learned what a desperate househoe Nancy had been the whole time he decided to kill her. 9. The way too clean trunk of Brad's car"

1. What about the dress? It was in a laundry basket that Young walked by and didn't see it. Brad found it the next day. Unwashed, with a grease stain from the party on it.
2. Brad did laundry and dishes. Big deal.
3. The garage couldn't have a car park in it on the 12th. The pictures prove that. What does this matter?
4. There was no missing earring. The medical examiner on the scene pulled one out because it was going to fall out. She never took the keys when she ran from the house. She had a garage key pad that everyone testifies she used.
5. Again--the garage is meaningless. nothing was found there.
6. The only shoes that are missing are the ones Nancy was wearing. There are no other missing shoes, unless you count 5 year old, mismatched, shoes that don't fit anyone's feet. Brad's shoes aren't missing. They were never asked for. The detectives NEVER looked for them.
7. Brad asked a neighbor to call Nancy's family. Nancy's family hated him. I wouldn't have called either.
8. Brad didn't know about Nancy's affairs until after he was arrested. He never denied relaying those emails. It was a family account they both used.
9. Both SBI lab technicians testified the trunk was soiled with dirt and debris. But nothing that matched the rug in the house, Nancy's hair, or the bra she was wearing.

[Edited on April 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM. Reason : next]

4/29/2011 2:08:02 PM

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"yes and where did he dump all this stuff??? They searched and searched didn't find anything "dumped/trashed". Don't forget, he allegedly had to dump all the phone equipment etc too. "

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

There are probably thousands of dumpsters within 30 minutes drive of the Cooper house, some of which were emptied the morning of Monday July 14th 2008. Factor in other places to dump shit, and the ineptitude of CPD and it is no surprise they havent found anything.

4/29/2011 2:12:32 PM

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"There was no missing earring. The medical examiner on the scene pulled one out because it was going to fall out."

I missed that. Okay remove the earrings from my theory and it still has legs. Do you recall if the ME found anything in her lower intestine during the autopsy?

4/29/2011 2:15:14 PM

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"And those stairs were spotless. Re watch Det. Daniels testimony if you missed the photos."

Yeah, I saw the pictures. I don't remember there being a picture where you could see your reflection, but I did note there was no clutter. The stairs in my house are probably the cleanest part of the house. Again, to not trip up on crap when going up and down and because stairs don't really lend themselves to stacking things.

4/29/2011 2:16:09 PM

how could a guy who is smart enough to commit a crime and leave absolutely no shred of evidence be dumb enough to dump the body so close to his house?

4/29/2011 2:16:55 PM

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"Do you recall if the ME found anything in her lower intestine during the autopsy?"

I don't think he examined. He didn't even test the liver. I do know the BAC was too low to support time of death after the party. The stomach was empty, with the exception of stomach fluid and a small piece of what might have been onion. ME testified time of death is consistent with any time after 7am.

4/29/2011 2:18:43 PM

If she was seen the next day running, by others, the entire case should be concluded.

4/29/2011 2:26:18 PM

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"how could a guy who is smart enough to commit a crime and leave absolutely no shred of evidence be dumb enough to dump the body so close to his house?"

THIS has bothered me a little, I think though that when you kill someone and need to dump the body, you gotta do it quick... and he was running out of time.

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"6. The only shoes that are missing are the ones Nancy was wearing. There are no other missing shoes, unless you count 5 year old, mismatched, shoes that don't fit anyone's feet. Brad's shoes aren't missing. They were never asked for. The detectives NEVER looked for them."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/10/31/3863865/warrant.swf

4/29/2011 2:31:14 PM

^ noone conclusively saw if she was or wasn't, but there were a handful of witnesses from the area who say they saw a woman who generally matched nancy's description running that morning around the time she would have been. Unfortunately, those leads were never properly followed up on.

4/29/2011 2:32:24 PM

the one thing i have learned from Law and Order SVU is that any sort of cleaning agent shows when forensics comes in to get evidence. especially anything with bleach in it. i would think if he had used a cleaning agent to clean up after the "mess" it would have shown.

this is also saying that CPD actually gathered evidence correctly

4/29/2011 2:33:50 PM

^^^After Brad was in jail. How was he supposed to give them the shoes from jail? Young testified he couldn't rule in or out which pair was in the first video, but they have the pair from the second.

AND NEVER NOTED THEIR ABSENCE PRIOR TO THE DATE OF TRIAL.

[Edited on April 29, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2011 2:33:53 PM

Even if brad did kill her, the prosecution and the police have done a miserable job of thoroughly investigating the crime, as well as establishing that he truely could have done it.

Optimus, you're making some leaps, which is fine, we're under a different burden of proof. But when you're sending someone to jail for life, you better be damn sure he did it, and there's yet to be an ounce of evidence that is incriminating. Whether cooper is convicted or acquitted, there's been a severe miscarriage of justice, and the victim will never be afforded the justice she deserves

4/29/2011 2:44:50 PM

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. Seems like this simple idea has gone to the toilet with a lot of people.

4/29/2011 3:01:35 PM

I Got it. Murder for hire. But how do you pay and not get caught. Easy. Brad won the lotto, probably a 20,000 scratcher. Then hired 2 Hispanics and one of them made the phone call from the house. Then the 2 dumped the body and all the other items needed to be dumped.


BTW. Really wished they'd call heather the sloot to the stand. I bet she's one fine piece of ass.

4/29/2011 3:08:20 PM

she probably fucked nancy too

4/29/2011 3:12:23 PM

she's probably mildly attractive at best...

4/29/2011 3:19:45 PM

Is Brad out on bail or is he in Jail?

4/29/2011 3:26:58 PM

Jail

4/29/2011 3:31:14 PM

Sucks.

4/29/2011 3:37:36 PM

Is he seriously in jail? Fuck, I'd be fucking furious

4/29/2011 3:43:38 PM

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"BTW. Really wished they'd call heather the sloot to the stand. I bet she's one fine piece of ass."

Wasn't there a (very small) pic of her from a linked in profile earlier in the thread? If that was her...meh.

4/29/2011 4:01:04 PM

More like heather meh-tour, amiright

4/29/2011 4:24:04 PM

Or Heather My-whore.

4/29/2011 5:15:09 PM

Anyone read the n&o tonight???

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"After the jurors went home for the weekend, the judge agreed to let a Cisco security investigator return to the stand in the prosecutor's rebuttal case to talk about a router the defendant checked out from the company. Chris Fry testified outside the presence of the jury that his examination of computer evidence the prosecution gave him as part of their effort to challenge testimony about the computers introduced by the defense. During that examination, Fry hit on information showing that Brad Cooper had used a router on July 11, 2008. Prosecutors have argued that Brad Cooper used a router to send a phone call from his home phone to his cell to make it look like Nancy Cooper was alive shortly before 7 a.m. on the day investigators say she was killed. Investigators never found that router. Fry said he found evidence that Cooper had checked out two routers from Cisco and only one had been returned. Despite objections from the defense, the judge agreed to let prosecutors call Fry to the stand in front of the jury next week as a rebuttal witness. "

GG CFRY! Sounds like Gin-bert is gonna bring the pain on Monday.

4/29/2011 11:24:45 PM

this fucking thread

4/29/2011 11:25:58 PM

...is several thousand times better than every single thread you've ever shit out combined?

4/29/2011 11:28:14 PM

...is so fucking awesome it's making BubbleFag jealous

4/29/2011 11:29:53 PM

bubblebobble can't form a sentence more than 3 words. Just ignore him.

4/29/2011 11:33:10 PM

whatever bros

4/29/2011 11:45:07 PM

bros before hos

4/30/2011 12:37:09 AM

even if cooper was found guilty, and he shouldn't be, there have been so many appealable issues raised already that the great state of nc is going to be paying for another go at this within 2 years.

4/30/2011 1:55:35 AM

I'm somewhat hoping that when the jurors go home at night, they are finding out about all the shit the judge isn't letting them hear.

4/30/2011 7:13:16 AM

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"Chris Fry testified about his examination of computer evidence the prosecution gave him. During that examination, Fry hit on codes that he claims showed Brad Cooper had used a router about 10 p.m. on July 11, 2008 -- the day before Nancy Cooper was reported missing. Prosecutors have argued that Brad Cooper used a router to send a phone call from his home phone to his cellphone to make it look as if Nancy Cooper were alive shortly before 7 a.m. on the day investigators say she was killed. [...] Investigators never found that router. Fry said he found evidence that Cooper had checked out two routers from Cisco and that only one had been returned. The defense argued that it was late in the trial to come up with new information. The team urged the judge to suppress the evidence and to not let Fry testify because he was not a forensic computer expert. The judge denied both requests, but he said Fry would only be able to testify about matters that rebutted evidence presented by the defense."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/04/30/1165058/defense-rests-the-jury-doesnt.html

It would seem that if there was evidence of him using "a router" at 10 pm on July 11, there should be evidence he used "a router" at 7 am on July 12 to fake a phone call. I'm curious what router this is, or if this is more shit from Boz where he's going to spend hours explaining how to fake a phone call, only to have it turn out that you can't actually fake a phone call with the equipment recovered in the Cooper home.

I don't consider it significant that some router was neither returned to Cisco nor recovered by police. I don't think Brad ever returned to work after Nancy went missing (worked from home), and CPD has demonstrated that the router could have been sitting on the kitchen counter with a yellow sticky saying "Throw away--incriminating evidence" and they would have missed it (unless the psychic clued them in to it).

...and Gessner continues to show his bias.

4/30/2011 8:16:06 AM

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"Fry said he found evidence that Cooper had checked out two routers from Cisco and that only one had been returned. The defense argued that it was late in the trial to come up with new information. The team urged the judge to suppress the evidence and to not let Fry testify because he was not a forensic computer expert. The judge denied both requests, but he said Fry would only be able to testify about matters that rebutted evidence presented by the defense. Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/04/30/1165058/defense-rests-the-jury-doesnt.html#ixzz1L0kBPu00"

4/30/2011 9:00:19 AM

Great--Websleuths has now been directed to this thread. Let's give them a warm TWW welcome.

4/30/2011 12:23:18 PM

So I guess CFry is bad for the defense?

4/30/2011 12:29:41 PM

^^ orly?

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 12:31:00 PM

ya rly.

But it's been edited now to protect cfry.

4/30/2011 12:41:33 PM

Quote :

"Great--Websleuths has now been directed to this thread. Let's give them a warm TWW welcome. "

welcome bored bon-bon eating housewives who were too stupid or knocked up too early in their lives to ever go to law school or even law enforcement.

4/30/2011 12:48:45 PM

WEB SLOTHS GO HOME

4/30/2011 1:29:28 PM

Lol are the web sleuths stalking our site now? I have very personal experience with that site from a court case a long while back and have to say they're not the brightest bulbs in the box generally. I don't think they've heard of Occam's Razor either.

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"The team urged the judge to suppress the evidence and to not let Fry testify because he was not a forensic computer expert."

You know, it's kind of bullshit this was an okay objection for the prosecution but when the defense uses it it's overruled.

4/30/2011 2:00:59 PM

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"You know, it's kind of bullshit this was an okay objection for the prosecution but when the defense uses it it's overruled."

That's why the "unethical" comment was made by the defense yesterday.






What I understood from the small about of discussion on the subject Friday prior to the dismissal of the jury is that the meat of Mr. Fry's rebuttal testimony is the discovery of an IP address conflict attributed to a device with a certain MAC address... that matches one of the routers signed out by Brad Cooper. A router of the type that has an FXO port that Cooper never returned to Cisco.

4/30/2011 2:26:18 PM

IGNORE THE FACT THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAW HER JOGGING

SETTLE ON MYSTERIOUSLY MISSING FXO PORT




reminds me of the 2004 election


IGNORE FALSE WAR IN IRAQ

VOTE ON GAY MARRIAGE

4/30/2011 2:29:09 PM

It is pretty bush that cfry is allowed to testify to shit that ward could not. But, if cfry found something truley incriminating.... I'd like to see justice served.

4/30/2011 2:29:35 PM

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"It would seem that if there was evidence of him using "a router" at 10 pm on July 11, "

But he claimed to be asleep in his daughters bedroom at 10pm. I dont recall him saying ever that he was on his computer that night.

4/30/2011 2:32:11 PM

^ that fits your theory very nicely then.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 2:39 PM. Reason : seems like everything you bring up only fits your theory. how convenient..]

4/30/2011 2:37:10 PM