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8/2/2006 9:48:51 AM

Sean - how do you get the text hand history from Full Tilt?

8/2/2006 12:09:12 PM

Go to last hand and copy/paste what's in the bottom window

8/2/2006 1:08:12 PM

Saw this on 2+2 from the WSOP main event....

Tight guy raises 3x utg at 50/100 I call in the BB with A 3sp. Flop is K-Q-10 two spades. I check, he bets 500, I ask him to count down his stack which is about 1500 more and I shove (I had about 4k to start the hand). He thinks and thinks, I thought he was folding at first, then thought he might call, finally after a few minutes he shows the table and mucks KK!! Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Even if I showed him AJ he still should have called.

His quote after the table expressed their shock, "I just didn't want to bust."

And these people are playing for $12,000,000

Also read that the guy who is in the chip (Dmetri Nobles) lead caught running jacks to beat a flopped set of queens when all-in on day one

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qc 2c 3h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Qd 989 99.90 1 0.10 0 0.00 0.999
Js Jd 1 0.10 989 99.90 0 0.00 0.001

[Edited on August 3, 2006 at 3:48 AM. Reason : .001]

8/3/2006 3:39:08 AM

there was a story somewhere on pocket 5's live coverage that detailed the most brutal beat ive ever heard of.


essentially it was a blind war issue that ended up with2 players all in, 88 vs 66.

66 flops quads, 88 goes perfect perfect for a straight flush.

yikes

8/3/2006 8:19:31 AM

here's the most brutal beat ive ever heard of, though it's not from the wsop...

http://tinyurl.com/m49op

Quote :

"...or crazy h-doozins, or Wendy's Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers, or crank and hookers, or whatever. So I'm playing some 2/4 BBJ tables at 6 AM (they are significantly looser than the normal 2/4 tables at this time of the day), and.... well.... yeah. Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) lolihunter.com (for all of your loli hunting needs) Preflop: Heroine is BB with 9d, 9h. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Heroine checks. Flop: (6 SB) 9s, Tc, 9c (6 players) SB checks, Heroine bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) Jc (3 players) SB checks, Heroine bets, Button raises, SB folds, Heroine 3-bets, Button calls. River: (10.50 BB) Qc (2 players) Heroine bets, Button raises, Heroine 3-bets, Button caps, Heroine calls. Final Pot: 18.50 BB Results in white below: Heroine has 9d 9h (four of a kind, nines). Button has 7c 8c (straight flush, queen high). Outcome: Button wins 18.50 BB. ....excuse me while I go on life tilt now. -K "

Quote :

" How big was the jackpot when this happened? Just under $110,000; so I would have been due roughly $38,500. Hardly life-changing, but for someone who normally does not gamble with nearly that much money, it still sucks ass."

8/3/2006 8:38:30 AM

Wow that is a brutal hand.

I am posting this hand as a perfect example of how not to bet.

***** Hand History for Game 4879443480 *****
NL Texas Hold'em 6 Buy-in Trny:26951294 Level:1 Blinds(20/40) - Saturday, August 05, 00:22:13 ET 2006
Table Table 113539 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: NutzInYoFace24 ( 1960 )
Seat 4: joemonster1 ( 2380 )
Seat 1: AK_ICEMAN ( 1880 )
Seat 2: SilentBob421 ( 2100 )
Seat 5: DonnaDewey0 ( 1760 )
Seat 6: JohnnnyII ( 1920 )
Trny:26951294 Level:1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NutzInYoFace24 [ 3h 3c ]
DonnaDewey0 raises [125].
JohnnnyII calls [125].
AK_ICEMAN calls [125].
SilentBob421 calls [125].
NutzInYoFace24 calls [105].
joemonster1 calls [85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Tc, Ac ]
NutzInYoFace24 checks.
joemonster1 bets [40].
DonnaDewey0 raises [80].
JohnnnyII folds.
AK_ICEMAN folds.
SilentBob421 folds.
NutzInYoFace24 calls [80].
joemonster1 raises [80].
DonnaDewey0 calls [40].
NutzInYoFace24 calls [40].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
NutzInYoFace24 checks.
joemonster1 bets [206].
DonnaDewey0 calls [206].
NutzInYoFace24 is all-In [1715]
joemonster1 calls [1509].
DonnaDewey0 is all-In [1309]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
joemonster1 shows [ As, Td ] two pairs, aces and tens.
DonnaDewey0 shows [ Kh, Ks ] a pair of kings.
NutzInYoFace24 shows [ 3h, 3c ] three of a kind, threes.
NutzInYoFace24 wins 400 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, threes.
NutzInYoFace24 wins 5655 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, threes.
DonnaDewey0 finished in sixth place.


Normally I toss 3's to a raise in front of me at this point in the tournament, but with 4 callers in front of me, I had to play. Then, after a flop like that it's normally fold to any bet, but I LOVE how morons make things cheap. And then the Jesus card on the turn, made better only by the fact that the retard in front of me had slow played 2 pair and that the douchebag with KK called my all-in.

8/5/2006 12:33:26 AM

Quote :

"DonnaDewey0 shows [ Kh, Ks ] a pair of kings."

I figured that was you at first when I was reading the hand history from the bottom up.

8/5/2006 9:38:33 AM

my buddy just got dq'd for the wsop 1500 dollar even today b/c he put his chips in his pocket when he moved tables

8/5/2006 4:25:33 PM

oops

8/6/2006 5:09:24 PM

I found this ironically humorous.

sunday morning tournament at borgata, didnt want to play the afternoon.

started with~180 people,

down to ~60, top 18 paying.

stacks are getting ultra shallow. i blew off 1/2 my stack on an unimproved AQ hand against AT's all in preflop when the flop came TTK.


blinds are 400/800 with a 100 chip ante.

this took place in one orbit.

Ive got about 20k in chips at the beginning of this. you start with 5k.

I raise AsJs in MP to 2200. a girl in the SB pushes for another 6k.

with 2200+2200+2200 in the pot, and having to call 6k getting 2:1, i do so.

The girl has QQ, i dont improve.

next hand.

Asian girl on the bb.

i raise again preflop, she repushes over and has me covered, i fold AT. she shows QQ.

now im getting short, down to ~10k in chips, and the blinds are moving up again in about a minute.

third girl at the table to my right now min raises, which was standard at this table except for me.

i push 77 on a steal, and she calls with QQ.

flop is Q5s6s. she has the Qs

i say, a "red 8 would be nice"

turn is an 8 of diamonds, the table busts out, and the dealer looks at me in the eyes. i laugh and pick up my shit from the table. i fail to improve on the river.

wtf... all three girls at the table kill me with QQ in one orbit.

i thought that was just strange.

8/7/2006 10:58:19 AM

Would you fold King jack off suit on a 5/10 table when you are to the right of the dealer after the flop and you didn't improve?

[playing with 400 in chips and nadda on the flop]

8/7/2006 2:30:08 PM

need more information.

5/10 limit?

flop texture?

how many players in the pot?

how many bets do we have to call with just (probably) live overs?

did we call a raise preflop, and if so, from what position did the raise come from?

8/7/2006 2:32:47 PM

KJ might be one of the worst hands to play....See Doyle Brunsons section on trouble/trap hands in the back on Super System...

8/7/2006 2:43:24 PM

this sounds like a limit question hish.

in limit im playing KJ in the CO for 1 bet everytime.

i dont care what the game is.

in fact, ill raise it quite often in the CO.


[but remember, taking limit advise from a self-aware limit maniac may not be the most sound advice]

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 2:49 PM. Reason : e]

8/7/2006 2:48:40 PM

ivey and negreanu heads up on FT



[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : te5r]

8/7/2006 3:21:55 PM

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : nvm]

8/7/2006 3:23:26 PM

story from friday night.

some friends including NoidRoid came up friday for the muse show then off to ac.

i had my stuff with me and put it in the room. they had their stuff in another car and went out to get it.

to kill some time i sit at a 1/2 table, the plan was to play 2/4 and get loaded together. (but that didnt work out)

i full buy, and its a table that looks like there is maybe........ two people with a bit of competence in playing cards....

essentially a dream table... a few hardcore pit players who can barely handle the cards much less chips or know whats going on, etc..

limp 77 utg. everyone calls.


family pot for $2 each.

flop comes 7s 4s 4c.

bing.

check, check, i check, check, guy bets out $45 into this $20 pot, and im kinda pissed, but happy when the button and the BB call flat!

i just call, praying for a spade.

turn is the 2s.

BB bets out ~$70.

i pop it up to $150.

mp bettor goes all in, has me covered (i had just full bought for $300). button goes all in (has slightly more than $240 to start the hand), bb goes all in (had just bought in for 300 that exact hand. YIKES)

im sitting there with 3 all ins in front of me, and i flopped top full.

of course im about to piss myself.

"well, gentlemen, ive got to call, i flopped the joint"

AsXs no sf draw (Button)
A4o (MP)
K4o (BB)

the dealer was one that i know, and starts laughing pretty hard. One guy was yelling "KING, KING"

i dont think he knew.

the other one told me to be happy that an ace didnt come on the river.

the flush guy left the room beofre the river was dealt.



nice to have everyone drawing dead on the river for a quadruple up pot. that was hott.

it was the only shining moment of the trip however.

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 4:22 PM. Reason : e]

8/7/2006 4:19:47 PM

8/7/2006 4:22:51 PM

Jesus, I'm surprised they weren't yelling for another 4 to come.

Yes! the 4 of hooks!

8/7/2006 4:26:31 PM

watched the guys chipping in for the monthly 400/800 7cs8 game yesterday.

frangos walks out of the kitchen area where the cocktail waitresses go to get drinks with 3 racks.

2 racks of black $100 and 2 stacks of purple $500 chips.

someone bumped into him and he almost dropped it.

id be pretty pissed. ahah

i wonder what is back there that we dont know about. id like to see who plays the big games upstairs at the borgata too, and what they are.

8/7/2006 4:36:14 PM

So I've found a gme here in Columbia that's right down the street from me. It's 1/2, and it's full of donks. I just had a brutal one, and have been trying to figure out if I could've played it differently or just need to chalk it up to their luck. I bought in for $60 and quickly ran it up to $120

7 Handed
BB with JTc
UTG limps (total calling station)
Folds to Button who is big stack who makes it $6. He had the stack when I walked in and hand only played about 2 hands since - so i have no read on him.
I call and UTG calls

Flop: Jd 6d 9c
I lead for $12, both call

Turn 7s
I lead for $30, both call

So at this point my "oh shit" alarm is going off. I have UTG on a some kind of draw, or a pair of 9s at best (he saw every hand to the river, literally), but what about the big stack, what could he be sitting on? I figure AKd or something along those lines. The way most of these people are, top pair = goldmine, and they bet the fuck out of it (though I guess I was doing the same thing), so I figured he didn't have a J, or a higher PP. He played strong hands later like this.

River 10h

I'm a little wary about this card. But I look to my Left and see UTG about to muck... so I figure I'm alright.
I lead for $30, and UTG mucks
Button puts me the rest of the way in.

I look up at him and go "you couldn'tve raised PF and then chased with KQ, or pocket 8s could you?" But after counting what I put in and what I had left, I figured I had to call.

He shows Ks Qc

When I asked why he kept calling with a gut shot, his reply was "I had overs too".

I know these are the people I want calling me in that situation, but should I have pushed more on the turn?

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 4:13 AM. Reason : d]

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 4:37 AM. Reason : tp bet]

8/8/2006 4:09:15 AM

Sean- two things about this hand you want to look at.

first being, you really really bought in short to this game. even though you had your money essentially doubled within the first half hour, you always want to buy into a 1/2 game at a minimum of around $100.

2nd- j10 is a tricky hand to play. if you hit top pair, there is a still a chance someone may also have a jack, and have you outkicked. also, all the cards that provide straight cards for your j10 are cards most of these idiots you are playing with will play preflop (ex:KQ 910,89,JQ, etc). so having your j10 hold up with just top pair can be difficult, especially in a loose game like this. normally i would have bet the flop and noticed that there were draws out there at the time. the turn card provided a card that completed a draw, so i may check here, and feel it out from there.

you definately do not want to push on the turn or the river with your hand here.

loose games of NLHE are the hardest thing to beat. when you have multilple players to the flop, and everyone chasing, its hard for your hand to stand up.

however, if you play this game long enough you should have no problem cracking it.

8/8/2006 9:18:53 AM

hey number monkeys:

the other night i had a deal worked out on a prop bet that i particularly liked.

i was betting this guy 1:1 for $5 per hand that one or more of 2 specific cards would come on the flop, turn or river.

IE, id take the 5 and Ten.

if the board had a 5 or a T on it, id win. if not, id lose.

He offered the prop, and i was pretty sure at the time it was +++++EV for me.


right?

8/8/2006 9:33:20 AM

checking to see if there is any interest in the following tourney. one of my friends is putting together a format similar to poker superstars (FSN). the dates are aug 20-23. payouts are every night and the highest point total wins a cash prize. the buy in is $75 and will start around 730-8pm. all events will be held near nc state campus.

if you want more info let me know, but this should be pretty easy to follow. i think we have a few more seats available.

there is no rake taken on the game.

8/8/2006 10:11:44 AM

^^yeah, I think it comes out to a little less than 66% chance that you would hit one of the two (assuming you see all 5 cards each time)

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

8/8/2006 11:52:00 AM

I wasn't sure if this was somewhere else in the thread, and I didn't want to really read through 110+ pages to find it, but is there any type of free poker thing (like the poker taverns that used to be at playmakers) in greensboro or burlington? I don't have a steady group to play with, so just figured maybe there was one of those around. I did a search and couldn't really come up with anything on their sites.

8/8/2006 1:33:26 PM

Guys, I need some advice on any free reading material that would help me understand terminology and strategy a little bit more. I've been playing free money games the past week and I play very tight. I'll fold pretty much anything except pocket 8s and higher pocket pairs, and I'll rarely play any low pairs pre flop unless it's a cheap game. I've seen people go all in with pocket 2 and catch a 2 on the river, but that's too much chance for me. I've seen a lot more people get wiped out going all in [including wsop guys] playing weak cards.

I guess my question is, I'm a pansy for folding anything that's not a strong pair or jqka strength?

I rather fold early and cut my loses instead of playing a weak hand.

8/8/2006 2:38:32 PM

What is a good site to bonus whore? Ive gone through all the major once, are there any to grind out that are as easy as Ultimate Bets to release?

8/8/2006 5:58:35 PM

Great article by the way of the guy who is leading the main event. btw, Allen Cunningham is 2nd with 18 left.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryDate=20060808&name=poker&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

8/8/2006 6:48:01 PM

pilgrim

it looks like that prop is seriously ++++EV, the only way it is -EV is if you lose even if there is no flop or only a flop.

flop %hitting = 47%
turn %hitting = 64%
river %hitting = 81%

these are rough numbers and assume that the bet must be placed prior to the deal (ie. you know no cards)

8/8/2006 7:57:05 PM

geez, I was going to be a dick and say you were way off, but after going back and looking again, I miscalculated too...

It's 40% on the flop.
50% on the turn.
58% on the river.

You can't do it the 8/52 + 8/51 + 8/50 way... they aren't statistically independent.

I'm pretty sure you have to do 1 - ( 44/52 * 43/51 * 42/50 ) basically calculate 1 - probability that you miss each time.

8/8/2006 9:52:04 PM

Quote :

"are there any to grind out that are as easy as Ultimate Bets to release? "

ub has got to be one of the hardest places to work off a bonus

8/8/2006 10:27:17 PM

Quote :

" Guys, I need some advice on any free reading material that would help me understand terminology and strategy a little bit more. I've been playing free money games the past week and I play very tight. I'll fold pretty much anything except pocket 8s and higher pocket pairs, and I'll rarely play any low pairs pre flop unless it's a cheap game. I've seen people go all in with pocket 2 and catch a 2 on the river, but that's too much chance for me. I've seen a lot more people get wiped out going all in [including wsop guys] playing weak cards. I guess my question is, I'm a pansy for folding anything that's not a strong pair or jqka strength? I rather fold early and cut my loses instead of playing a weak hand. "

http://www.pocketfives.com

http://www.twoplustwo.com

those are great discussion forums and they also have alot of archived info.

also, if you can afford it, cardrunners and pokerxfactor have been highly beneficial to me.

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 10:30 PM. Reason : f'ed up links]

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/8/2006 10:29:37 PM

yeah, i was getting roughtly 75% in my head while it was giong on and i was at the table.

it felt like a scam to talk him into offering me this prop.

it felt dirty, but i liked it.

8/8/2006 11:19:15 PM

ok tww, this thread is dying and i dont like that

we need to get b ack to posting hands and helping everyone learn the game more.

so on that note, its time for the next installment of play along with the limi-donk, pilgrimshoes.

These two hands took place tonight in a 10/20 game at borgata, limit hold'em funfest.

what i want to do, is to describe my action preflop, the rest of the tables action preflop, and then tell the cards that come on the flop for the two individual hands.

Next i want each one of you to think about what move youd make, what your plan is, and where you are going for the rest of the hand.

even if i have posted an update to these hands, before you read what cards come on th eturn and river, and what my action was for the flop, id like you to write down what you'd do before you read anyone elses inputs. the more views the better, we can all get better together.

** i realize that both of my plays preflop may be a bit out of some of your standards, but get past that for the sake of the arguements.

Ill post an update after I feel the appropriate amount of time has passed.

Hand 1.

UTG with 9d8d.

We raise it up to $20.
utg +1 is sitting out.
utg+2 is an azn lady who ive played with numerous times. she knows my ranges, and is adjusting accordingly. a winning player who deals at the taj, so she sees and knows quite a bit about the game. calls.
strange guy who is more interested in the horse races than the game calls. has shown a tendancy to lead and bet down iwth any peice of the board, weak aces, and bottom pair even.
old guy calls. no telling, just came to this game from a must move game.
another rather tight genlemen calls.
another call by a looooosey old dude on the button.
sb folds
bb folds

flop is 9h Td Qd pot is 6 way for $135



Hand 2.

same table, except this time we are in the CO with 5d 6d

5 limpers to us, we limp as well.

sb completes, bb checks, 7 way to the flop with $70 holding.

flop comes 4d 7c Jd


For both hands:

1.) how do we feel about our hands?
2.) what is our plan for the flop action?
3.) what is our plan for the rest of the hand?
4.) what are we looking for?
5.) how far are we taking this/
6.) will this impress an asian? (ahaha)

any other comments you wish to add, please do.

lets get this thread going again!1

8/9/2006 11:39:02 PM

i would say my plan would be to try to make both hands as cheaply as possible

hand 1, def start with a check, if it checks around and you think someone is trying to steal you could raise, but this is only if you are quite sure you can lay down after a bet on the turn, you'd have to really know your man as a fast kind of player to do this, otherwise i'd just call

hand 2, i'd check/call, doubtful that you're gonna take that hand down with a bet if it's checked around anyway, obviously if you make your hand on the turn, you pound it really hard, bc both hands are vunerable

8/9/2006 11:45:26 PM

for the people who know how i play limit, you wont be surprised that i was berated by the table for how i played both.

i like my plays for both, quite a bit.

except for my river play for hand 1, which i felt like a dumbass for.


but we'll get to that.

8/9/2006 11:53:28 PM

So I am back at the Cola game where I donked off $$ before, and just had my AA cracked by 52o (yes he called $75 preflop with it, pissed that I reraised on his straddle).

So I buy back in, sit down, see 1 more hand, when there is another knock at the door. Owner of the house opens it a crack, at which point it is kicked partially open and "don't move nigger" is yelled.

The table disperses as 3 guys push the door shut, lock it. More atempts to kick it in are made, and someone fires a gun.

10 people hide in a bathroom, calling the cops. Me and 2 other guys crawl around the floor packing all the tables (3) away. The cops lead us out of the house with our hands up, frisk us, etc.

Very interesting night. Thankfully all the poker stuff was hidden before the cops got there, and noone was hurt.

Guess I need to find another game.

8/10/2006 12:35:19 AM

the cops called you "nigger"?

wow

8/10/2006 12:36:57 AM

No, it was someone trying to rob the place

8/10/2006 12:38:12 AM

rarely to i ever play LHE but...

hand 1 - i'd prob. check/call.

hand 2 - bet/raise any to build up the pot?

8/10/2006 9:02:44 AM

***********************

more hand information below, people who are still to reply to the preflop action, please do so before reading below.





******************************

Quote :

"i would say my plan would be to try to make both hands as cheaply as possible"

Is it good to play passively in a passive limit game? Or do we want to be the one putting the pressure on? Leading disquises (sp) our hands more, creates more action in a meta sense, and helps our image right? I like in no limit trying to control the pot by keeping it cheap, but in limit, pot control comes ironicly by making it large.. if that makes sense.

We are not weak in either hand really, despite how it appears on the surface. no?

The flops seemed to miss us, but did they really? What do we expect to see our opponents calling our raise with? How many hands will fold to us? etc etc.

Quote :

"hand 1, def start with a check, if it checks around and you think someone is trying to steal you could raise, but this is only if you are quite sure you can lay down after a bet on the turn, you'd have to really know your man as a fast kind of player to do this, otherwise i'd just call"

An interesting line. so we are willing to lay down with a gutshot, a flushdraw, and bottom pair to a single bet with a pot holding 13.5 small bets after raising preflop?

I think we can rule out someone stealing here, no one is really folding to any late bet due to the pot size.

I wish there was a way to replay this hand taking this line, it may prove to be more correct. im not sure.

Quote :

"rarely to i ever play LHE but... hand 1 - i'd prob. check/call."

seems pretty solid/standard. this is a line ill use often.




*******


Now, for what transpires on the flop, and the reveal of the turn card.

We lead the flop for a bet.

Lady to our left quicky lcalls. We know from past experience shes repopping with any Q on this drawy board to isolate, and to hit up our c-bet strong. she does that consistantly.

Strange guy folds,

Old guy calls, but seems distraught.

rest of PF callers fold.

turn brings the Qs.

pot now is three way, for $165. or, 8.25 BB



Our plan now? Is this a good card for us, or a bonk?

What do we put our remaining opponents on?

8/10/2006 9:30:55 AM

lead out again and see how they react to the Q hitting.

i think it is unlikely that this card helped either of them. i think that if they had a Q they would have repoped you after the flop with that draw heavy board. i also think they would have repoped with 99 or 1010 if they hit their set on the flop for similar reasons. i dont think you are worried about them boating up so your draws are still there.

possible holdings....910, 10J, K10, KJ, AJ, J8, 87, maybe KQ or AQ

8/10/2006 9:54:52 AM

ok, while these are processing, an lo8 hand from last night also

5/10 lo8 w/ a full kill, its a kill pot.

in the CO with AcKcKd3s.

1 caller, kill poster checks, another caller, we bump it up to $20.

both blinds fold, everyone else calls.

flop is Tc 5s 5d

checks to us, we bet, 2 callers.

turn is the Jc.

eh?

8/10/2006 11:13:19 AM

honestly, I think leading at that flop on hand 1 is giving away money. I didn't see where you said it was a passive table, so if it was then fine, but assuming it's a skilled table, I don't think you will run that bluff all the way through often enough. I know you are a really good limit player, and it's going to pay back in table image, but I prefer to keep my std dev tighter.

8/10/2006 1:44:13 PM

Ive always wondered if this

http://wintermute-ca.livejournal.com/

was Wintermute.

this guy is my idol.

8/10/2006 2:03:28 PM

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"02:22 pm: Vegas Recap Part 6 After collecting my payout from the NLHE tourney I blinded out of, I had nearly $10k burning a hole in my pocket... I didn't really want to try to take down a meal because I thought it might sober me up and I was very scared of the impending hangover. So I decided to take the bender route and wandered over to the high-limit section to see what games were going. My eyes immediately fell upon the 10-25 PLO game that had no list, and I thought back to two days earlier when I killed a 2-5 PLO game. How hard could his higher limit shit be. Turns out the table was only 5 handed, which I figured played to my strengths even more. So I sat down and bought in for the minimum ($1k) and started ordering bloody mary's. Pretty soon I was sitting behind $2k (no exciting hands come to mind) and trying to figure out where we could get other players, when I notice that right next to me all the time has been one of those plastic cases over a fairly meager pile of chips and cash. I ask who's it is and somebody reply's "oh that's the fish's." I figure they're talking about someone who sucks at poker so I start hoping whoever it is will come back soon because frankly most of the players at the table seem to know what they're doing a little more than me. I mean, I'm holding my own and playing well postflop, but every hand looks playable to me and I know that's not the case. Well, an orbit or so later I get stacked by some fat douche when I flop top pair, a gutshot, and nut flush draw to his set. Blanks come and he drags a $4500 pot. I hear someone say "oops!" from over my shoulder and lo-and-behold it's Devilfish. Turns out that's the "fish" the other guy was talking about. Well, not one to pussy out of a challenge, I rebuy for a grand and immediately double through Devilfish. I think I flopped a wrap straight to his two pair, it all went in and we ran it twice and I hit on both boards. He starts talking real loud about how these stakes are too low for him to care, blah blah blah. Only I believe him, of course. Couple hands later I scoop a three-way pot with Devilfish and some other really annoying fucker. I flopped a set, Devilfish had some draws, the other guy had AAxx. Now I'm sitting behind about $5500 and start to get cocky, the bloody mary's aren't helping either. I start running multibarrel bluffs that work out, and the one time I get caught by a short stack I sucked out. Once I've got $7500 or so the table's getting full as people realize I am (1) wasted, (2) flush with chips, and (3) not afraid to stick them in the pot with very little in the way of a hand. Also, Devilfish suggests we raise the stakes, which receives mixed reviews from the table in general, but I tell him "Devilfish I'll play for whatever stakes you want." That piques his attention, and so he says "well why don't you and me and these guys (gesturing to three other dudes at the table he obviously knows well) get a 25-50 game going if you aren't scared." I'm thinking fuck you pal, you may have been on TV a few times but I'm not going to take this "if you aren't scared" faggotry off anybody, so I reply "Tell you what, let's play 25/50 with a $100 kill on the winner of previous hand." Now, this was probably a dumb move, because the game is going to play like a 50/100. But I figure what the fuck, I'm only in for $2k, I'm up $5.5 on that and I just pissed away a shot at 3/4 of a mill and dumped $5k on some stripper a few hours ago. Even if I lose all the cash I have on me, it ain't going to cause any remorse. Plus, I got a shot at taking this cocky fucker devilfish down. Well, this 25/50 table quickly filled up. At some point emptyshell and his brother stop by to railbird it, and they caught the hand of the night... I had just bluffed the previous pot and so was on the $100 kill in LP, maybe the CO. It limps maybe 4 ways to me so I jack it up the max to $600 or whatever with AAJ9ds. Devilfish calls and maybe one other take the flop with me, it comes down 8-high with two hearts, giving me no straight draw (I don't think) but I do have the overpair and nut flush draw, so I pot it when the EP guy checks it to me. Devilfish pots behind, EP folds, I shove all-in and Devilfish calls. He's got top set and a small flush draw, leaving me with 10 outs--the other two aces and 8 flush outs that don't pair the board. So the fucker's definitely ahead, but I'm not getting away from the hand and couldn't have played it any better. I offer to run it twice but he declines, bam the turn is a heart. River bricks and I stacked the fucker AGAIN. Now I've got maybe 16k in front of me and have switched over to jack and coke trying to get real drunk. Empty and his brother are going to dinner and ask me if I want to pick up to join them, Devilfish tells me "don't be a pussy" just as I am telling empty & his bro "why would I leave this game, can't you see I'm absolutely KILLING it?" easily loud enough for the whole table to hear. At some point a short stack doubled through me on a caught bluff, a little later I took a flop 6 ways for $300 pre with A245 from the SB, then potted it UTG when the flop comes 333, it folds around and I table my bluff to a bevy of exasperated sighs and muffled insults. Also somewhere around now Devilfish went to the UB room and returned with a plate of buffet food. I just started eating his chicken wings right off his plate, figuring how could he tell me to stop when all he wanted in the world was to keep me at the table at that moment? ... he sort of gave me the stinkeye but didn't say anything as I put away wing after wing after wing. Anyway, eventually the game started to get boring, and when emptyshell and his bro returned with plans to go catch the mud wrestiling show at the Frontier, I figured it was fair time to pick up. The most surprising thing was to us three was that Devilfish was so preoccupied with trying to belittle/goad me so that he could maintain his image or whatever. At the end, when I got up to head to the Frontier, he actually started bucking like a chicken at me. I told him look pal, I just played 5 hours with you and jumped stakes when you suggested it. If you think I'm running from the game because I'm overmatched, I don't know what to say... So to recap the game, I was in for $2k, playing a game I have virtually no experience in, and then ran it up to over 15k against the self-proclaimed "world's best PLO player" after he tried to build a game around me that would cause me to have to play scared money. I would score that one as a complete and utter domination. The rest of the night was relatively uneventful, we just got drunk, watched some mud wrestling, played some blackjack and craps--emptyshell was the designated Cartwright, couldn't miss on the dice--until I realized I hadn't eaten a meal in roughly 32 hours, and so demanded we hit up a Denny's. At the second Denny's we went to (at the first one, I got frustrated waiting to be seated and so jokingly proclaimed in a too-loud voice "you got white people here waiting to be seated, let's go" which made empty and his brother suspicious that they would fuck with our food, probably true), I took down 2 grand slam breakfasts as we counted down the $20k plus roll I now had stuffed into my pockets. After pausing to snap a photo of a bum who was either passed out or dead (posted below) we called it a night and returned to the luxor. "

8/10/2006 2:14:37 PM

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"honestly, I think leading at that flop on hand 1 is giving away money. "

It very well could be. Thats what im trying to figure out. I cant just raise preflop and check fold though

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"I didn't see where you said it was a passive table, so if it was then fine, but assuming it's a skilled table, I don't think you will run that bluff all the way through often enough."

Well, if i get into a live table thats not either loose passive or loose hyper retarded, i change tables. sitting at a overly LAG or overly TAG table is not good!

At this limit, you can assume there are 4 players at the table worth a shit. they are easy to pick out before you even sit down usually. it also helps when you know people at the table from previous play. you cant assume that since its not 2/4 that it doesnt still play like 2/4 does live. some of the worst players ive ever encountered were in 20/40 and 30/60 live games.

8/10/2006 3:17:02 PM

i fogot to tell this.

sunday night

there was a girl at my table

with trampstamp tattoo that was in gaelic letters reading

"ALL IN"

across her upper ass.

if she wasnt so fat, it would have been cool

8/10/2006 9:16:50 PM