Why? In every article I've read he was cleared after UNC worked with the NCAA to determine his eligibility. If he was eligible to play, there is no reason to be upset with the redshirt... at all.

If he did nothing wrong according to the NCAA why should the kid be penalized?

10/23/2010 7:20:16 PM

oh come on now


he didn't do anything wrong? He cheated and was held out 5 games by UNC instead of being kicked off the team and having his scholarship revoked. And now, in spite of the fact that UNC's very own honor code states that the usual, expected policy is nothing short of what they haven't done already, he'll get another year at school to fuck around in rocks for jocks because they redshirt him.


How are you even remotely ok with that?

10/23/2010 8:25:39 PM

I'm not operating under the assumption that everyone over there is clinically retarded. I can't imagine they would rule someone eligible (i.e.- found not to be engaging in anything that is a NCAA infraction) after working with the NCAA to determine eligibility if he actually wasn't innocent of wrongdoing. Especially with all the heat already on the program.

If they and the NCAA are engaging in some vast conspiracy on Ryan Houston's behalf, then I apologize and would agree...

*** And for what it's worth, there is precedent for ineligible players to be given a redshirt. here is one:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3426347

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM. Reason : x]

10/23/2010 8:30:33 PM

Quote :

"UNC said Austin accepted more than $10,000 in benefits and kicked him out of the program without submitting information about him to the NCAA."

This is the most interesting part of the article to me. What did they not submit to the NCAA? Details about what he did? Who he worked for? Who paid him? THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW!

10/23/2010 9:19:27 PM

I'm not a NCAA legal aid but I'm pretty sure that simply means that UNC's own internal investigation uncovered enough to determine he was ineligible without going to the NCAA...

Obviously any NCAA investigation in to the program will look in to Austin among everything else..

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 9:26 PM. Reason : x]

10/23/2010 9:26:09 PM

but regardless of why austin was dismissed, wouldn't the ncaa want to get all the information as to why?

if the ncaa is srsly looking into agents/runners/illegal benefits, wouldn't they want to know all the information about the biggest cheater on the team?

the ncaa better have a shitload more info than their letting public.

10/23/2010 9:45:51 PM

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"but regardless of why austin was dismissed, wouldn't the ncaa want to get all the information as to why? "

They are

10/23/2010 9:46:19 PM

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" wait, so you're saying if UNC somehow spins their way out of this, you will stop supporting the wolfpack? That might be the single dumbest thing i've ever read on TWW."

why support a sport that is fundamentally flawed and filled with corruption? i still want to believe that the ncaa will do the right thing here.

I will of course hope that state does well, but I won't dignify the sport and the competition by giving my hard earned money to any team in the ncaa if they don't do their job with unc.

It really ruins the game for me when your competition has an illegal leg up. Again, I quit watching baseball because of steriods, and I'll quit watching fb because of agents, again, assuming the ncaa lets them (unc) slide on this.

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 9:52 PM. Reason : n]

10/23/2010 9:49:29 PM

^^^ Again, that was a UNC decision to kick him off the team. If they had a question about his eligibility they would have gone to the NCAA and worked with them. They had no need to do that, because it was CLEAR he was ineligible.

This has NOTHING to do with any prospective NCAA investigation that is surely coming eventually. People need to get over this "NCAA won't touch them" bullshit. No one outside of the triangle gives a flying fuck about UNC football. If the NCAA will go after a REAL football program that matters like Southern California, they sure as shit will go after UNC if there is widespread misconduct.

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 9:51 PM. Reason : ^ that is... really weird.]

10/23/2010 9:51:19 PM

I, for one, fully support BGT abstaining from any sport I watch and enjoy discussing

10/23/2010 9:55:01 PM

^^Im not saying Im out with ncsu. Im saying that if one team is allowed to cheat, then IMO it invalidates the sport. I am hoping you are right and that the ncaa puts the hammer down on the cheating fags.

In which case, state fans are happy, unc gets their punishment, and their program is sent to the stone age for epic cheating.

^ Im glad you are ok with the way this is being handled.

State fans want blood after Jimmy V - and this is the opportunity. And this is WAY FUCKING WORSE.

I am one of the state fans who wishes there was a fund that I could contribute to that would be dedicated to unc failure. I hate those bastards more than anything.

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 9:55 PM. Reason : ]

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10/23/2010 9:55:13 PM

Quote :

"I'm not operating under the assumption that everyone over there is clinically retarded. I can't imagine they would rule someone eligible (i.e.- found not to be engaging in anything that is a NCAA infraction) after working with the NCAA to determine eligibility if he actually wasn't innocent of wrongdoing. Especially with all the heat already on the program."

you mean like when they tried to get kendric burney eligible by enrolling him in a class way past the add deadline, then backed off as soon as the story went public that he plead guilty to cheating and only needed to add the class because his waiver to take less than a full course load was invalidated since he was no longer on track to graduate?

10/23/2010 9:57:06 PM

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"they sure as shit will go after UNC if there is widespread misconduct."

lol "if"

UNC is fucked because John Blake was getting paid by an agent while coaching and Marvin Austin was getting paid by an agent and basically acting as a runner for agent(s) for players at UNC as well as other schools. UNC will not wiggle their way out of this shitpile.

10/23/2010 9:58:21 PM

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"UNC will not wiggle their way out of this shitpile."

They had their chance to clean house or fight. They chose to fight.

They will either spin their way out or the ncaa will fuck them double penetration. Im hoping for the latter for the sake of the game. If they don't send a strong message, then why bother monitoring the players.

I would hope that we would have taken the high road and fired anyone that was involved and/or should have known about this impropriety.


There is no way they can just keep this agent issue a "player by player" level of accountability. They better send a strong message to the world that programs need to do a good job of monitoring their star players to make sure they are not taking money. The ncaa is at a crossroads with this one. Either make programs accountable, or just start giving college athletes stipends. Im glad it was unc that got caught in this.

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

10/23/2010 10:15:00 PM

I wonder if there will be a movie in about 15 years that tells the story of how the NC2A oppressed the poor Tar Heels

10/23/2010 10:19:40 PM

UNC's #98 punched a Miami player after that Miami PAT. The ACC office needs to take their "sportsmanship" commercials off for the rest of the season if they don't suspend him at least for a game.

UNC looks undisciplined and dirty. The cheating continues. I'm also getting sick of the announcers drooling over what they have "put together" and "overcome" because they may be punished for blatantly cheating.

10/23/2010 10:32:00 PM

^

10/23/2010 10:32:43 PM

^^ Seriously. I'm glad I wasn't the only one annoyed listening to those commentators sucking Carolina's dick for overcoming all the terrible things that happened to them this year like it wasn't their fault or anything. Not to mention also blaming every Miami touchdown on the fact that Carolina had to play freshman at CB (because of suspensions).

Fucking asshat.

[Edited on October 23, 2010 at 11:03 PM. Reason : Grammar, spelling, etc.]

10/23/2010 11:02:07 PM

Anybody knew what the commentary was on our bball team after our sanctions

10/23/2010 11:04:26 PM

I'm just glad UNC got their asses whooped by Miami tonight

10/23/2010 11:09:15 PM

Quote :

"Anybody knew what the commentary was on our bball team after our sanctions"

who fucking cares

unc is in a world of shit and the fact that announcers are supporting them in any way is fucking deplorable. You don't get to do whatever you want and if some of your gang is caught, immediately receive sympathy from the press.

Fuck unc. They deserve to have announcers:

- point out the scandal
- blame the coaches and school
- exacerbate the situation
- explain why they are losing

any announcer who is on their side is on the side of the agents/runners/coaches/tutors/butch

10/23/2010 11:17:44 PM

^

10/23/2010 11:27:28 PM

i took this photo tonight. it seems relevant to this thread, via cock gobbling:

10/24/2010 4:00:20 AM

ibtphotoshop

10/24/2010 4:27:42 AM

nom

10/24/2010 12:45:19 PM

NYM is too busy playing the unbiased devil's advocate role to read post clearly.

10/24/2010 4:49:56 PM

^ What are you referring to exactly from recently? Did I misread something? No one, besides two of the clinically insane, have rebutted anything I said.

10/24/2010 4:55:03 PM

Maybe I misread, but your rebuttal of kiljadn on this page made no sense. Is it your belief that Houston was cleared of any wrongdoing, and that UNC holding him out 5 games was an attempt to be safe and not a punishment?

10/24/2010 5:19:43 PM

That is what is being reported. He was cleared to play by UNC after working with the NCAA according to the Associated Press article. If that is the case, it stands to reason that he was probably eligible to play those first five weeks, too, but was held out as a precaution.

I haven't seen anything but the crazy ramblings of a nut (aaronburro) that is factual that disputes that. If you have something then by all means share. I can admit when I'm wrong.

[Edited on October 24, 2010 at 5:22 PM. Reason : x]

10/24/2010 5:22:09 PM

Ok my bad, I guess Draughn, Carter, Sturdivant, and Houston's cases among others were all just big misunderstandings.

10/24/2010 5:25:25 PM

^^ UNC is referring to a lot of players as being "cleared" the funny thing is is they all weren't cleared quickly they were cleared after different suspension lengths. I think UNC is using the term "cleared" to refer to anyone who has served their self imposed suspensions. They were also talking about redshirting brown who has been suspended for the season!
Did anyone else see the investigative "journalism" add on WRAL "70% of college students cheat". Call me paranoid but it sounds like WRAL is trying to help UNC in the court of public opinion. I can see IC now "70% of students cheat and less than 70% of the football team is being investigated. Butch Davis IS running a clean program"

10/24/2010 6:14:54 PM

tbh i dont give a shit if houston comes back. dude has never had a run of more than 5 yards in life. but unc has already been exposed with this "cleared" bs

and yea, the unbiased devils advocates are tennessee and uconn fans. i guess they would know about ncaa violations

10/24/2010 7:34:20 PM

ITT NyM buys into the UNC Spin machine and their "cleared to play" horse shit




"Cleared to play after 5 games" at UNC == "Served a 5 game suspension" everywhere else



UNC would have you believe that these players did no wrong - if that were the case then we'd see school holding out players for multiple game spans all over the country. The spin they're putting on this shit is incredible. As a matter of fact, the spin alone would be enough for me - were I an NCAA investigator - to paint a picture of LOIC.


Their entire attitude about it - "We are holding these players out because the big ol' mean NCAA won't let them play" instead of the actual "These players cheated and have been suspended for their actions" - says that as an institution, not only did they know about the impropriety, they endorse it and the behaviors that go along with it, and want everyone to point the finger at the NCAA for "ruining" their season.

10/25/2010 8:11:05 AM

Exactly, I've lost a ton of respect for UNC over this. Sure, I always hated them, but I still respected them as a great university in our state with high academic standards and a reputation for it. That went out the window with all this nonsense. I really expected more from them than this--did not expect to see this type of spin machine and the "we're the victims" crap.

10/25/2010 9:25:49 AM

i said it before and it bares repeating i think. All schools in D1 regularly kick kids off the team and revoke scholarships for not going to class, failing etc. Not only is UNC not doing this but they are allowing these kids to redshirt (more playing time, practicing with the team), keep their scholarship (which is paid for by someone else) and the worst offenders (if we are to believe those lying sons-of-bitches) are allowed to keep their scholarship as well; Players that destroyed the reputation of the school. If a kid got in a fight 2 or 3 times, he'd probably be off the unc team anyway. These kids cheated, it appears to have been systemic, and were being paid to stay in school and play football. Even if the coaches were in all of this, the least they'd do, from the standpoint of appearing concerned and disciplinarian, would be to kick players off the team.

10/25/2010 9:27:01 AM

UNC is allowing them to keep their scholarships and stay in school because they do not want these kids going to the media and selling their story. If they kick them out and revoke their scholarships, then what the fuck are these morons going to do with their lives? UNC is hoping by letting them stay around campus, they'll be able to keep these players quiet

10/25/2010 10:21:46 AM

It also hurts their graduation rates if they revoke scholarships. Because the guys would most likely not hang around to finish a degree on their own dime.

10/25/2010 11:03:54 AM

When you go to a public ivy, you usually wind up with poison ivy
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10/25/2010 11:12:37 AM

kiljadn, my issue is this.. How could there have been a NCAA suspension? They haven't ruled on anything yet? The AP articles said that UNC and the NCAA ruled him eligible so it must have been UNC that held him out of games by choice. I don't see why a redshift wouldn't be allowed.

If it turns out Houston did do something wrong -- and most signs point to that -- then the NCAA will rule on that accordingly. You guys are all going to irrationally hate on me and I'm fine with that but I don't crucify until I get the facts.

10/25/2010 11:48:57 AM

^They've ruled on multiple people already - including Austin, Little, Quinn, Williams, Burney (round one - for agents).

10/25/2010 11:51:32 AM

Regarding the academics, of which Houston is a part of.. As I said before please correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time..

10/25/2010 11:56:14 AM

In response to this mess, the NCAA is considering fining players who take money from agents. But not all players, only those who go on to play in the NFL. Only the NCAA could look at this problem of players taking money from agents and deducing that the only way to stop it would be by taking more money from the players. Why can't they just understand that a small stipend would be more of an incentive to not cheat than threats of fines and suspensions?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5725836

10/25/2010 1:20:17 PM

That's a nice no-risk situation. Take money from an agent:
a) Don't make it as a pro. No negative impact.
b) Make it pro. Sacrifice by eating ramen noodles for a month to make sure you can pay that fine... no wait, just pay the fine off with the millions you're earning.

From the article it looks like they are also considering suspending the player for 6 to 8 games in their NFL rookie season. Maybe even redshirt them.

[Edited on October 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM. Reason : -]

10/25/2010 1:35:54 PM

^ you mean "clear" them?

10/25/2010 2:42:23 PM

The stupid thing was allowing agents on campus and/or agent/player contact before eligibility is up. You don't need to associate with an agent until you have made the decision to go pro. Get the agents off campus and any meetings prohibited until that is done and there are no more gray lines. You get caught with an agent, your eligibility is up. Once the season is over, the individual schools can set up specific agent days for their players that are going pro that has to be documented with the NCAA as far as who the agents were and which athletes attended the meetings.

I'm not favor of punishing student athletes once they leave the school. They want to do that, they first need to start by punishing coaches who leave schools on probation......like Calipari.

10/25/2010 2:47:06 PM

NCAA athletes already get a small stipend, plus free books, plus a free education and if they come from a family of lesser means get access to Pell Grants.

Save me the bull that if we were to suddenly give them a little more money they would suddenly decide to not accept gifts and cash from agents.

10/25/2010 2:50:10 PM

i wonder if the NCAA will move to vacate victories?

10/25/2010 2:57:39 PM

^^

10/25/2010 4:01:32 PM

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"kiljadn, my issue is this.. How could there have been a NCAA suspension? They haven't ruled on anything yet? The AP articles said that UNC and the NCAA ruled him eligible so it must have been UNC that held him out of games by choice. I don't see why a redshift wouldn't be allowed. If it turns out Houston did do something wrong -- and most signs point to that -- then the NCAA will rule on that accordingly. You guys are all going to irrationally hate on me and I'm fine with that but I don't crucify until I get the facts."

What about Brown? He was suspended by someone for the season (NCAA, UNC I don't care at this point) and they have stated that he will be able to redshirt the year? Sounds like they are sidestepping as much of the punishment as possible.
Brown IS NOT INNOCENT and is being given the option to redshirt according to UNC.

10/25/2010 6:18:10 PM

i really hope this is taking so long with the NCAA because they have mountains of evidence of coaches paying players to go thru

10/25/2010 11:18:14 PM