ill do it triple r.


pharlad is an interesting character....


id love to have his game...


the guy is sick

9/13/2006 8:01:43 PM

What site?

9/13/2006 8:04:59 PM

Sweet, it just started. Should be a fun one from the look of this early hand. Guess some people are just dense...

Flop (board: 7d Ah 7h):

dazzler167 checks. ChipHoggg1 checks. frofisch bets
45. 1buckeyenut calls. dazzler167 raises to 260.
ChipHoggg1 folds. frofisch folds. 1buckeyenut
calls.

Turn (board: 7d Ah 7h 4c):

dazzler167 bets 645. 1buckeyenut folds, showing 8h
8d. dazzler167 is returned 645 (uncalled).

9/13/2006 8:16:21 PM

In all fairness I knew Downing had crap...

Pre-flop:

Downing raises to 350. ToySolder folds. CaptnPoppy
folds. Rainne65 folds. david0603 goes all-in for
1510. rm55 folds. cutcold66 goes all-in for 2895.
sassy Biotch folds. Hagsie25 folds. Downing folds.
cutcold66 is returned 1385 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

david0603 shows Jd Jh.
cutcold66 shows Kc Kh.


Flop (board: As 8d 5c):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: As 8d 5c Jc):

(no action in this round)


River (board: As 8d 5c Jc Js):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

david0603 has Jd Jh As Jc Js: four jacks.
cutcold66 has Kc Kh As Jc Js: two pair, kings and jacks.


Hand #35103402-43 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
david0603 wins 3520 with four jacks.

9/13/2006 8:35:37 PM

Nice timing. Where did everyone go?

Pre-flop:

1buckeyenut folds. flipflopdoc calls. shockington
calls. dazzler167 raises to 550. ChipHoggg1 folds.
haggs2404 folds. tyrey goes all-in for 425.
coach04 folds. david0603 goes all-in for 1255.
flipflopdoc folds. shockington folds. dazzler167
calls.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

dazzler167 shows Ts Jd.
tyrey shows 4d 4s.
david0603 shows Ah Ad.


Flop (board: 6c 6d Tc):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 6c 6d Tc 5h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 6c 6d Tc 5h Kd):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

dazzler167 has Ts 6c 6d Tc Kd: two pair, tens and sixes.
tyrey has 4d 4s 6c 6d Kd: two pair, sixes and fours.
david0603 has Ah Ad 6c 6d Kd: two pair, aces and sixes.

9/13/2006 8:56:19 PM

Hey FeebleMinded, I remember you bitching about table talk during an all in a while back. Played ub today and they have it so you can't chat during an all in. Kind of nice, but gets annoying when playing heads up.

9/13/2006 9:44:10 PM

looking for criticism on how i played this hand. i just had a really bad feeling playing this entire hand and I really don't want to feel that way again.

Quote :

"Real Money Ring Game Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes Millions 10474938-57550 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50 [Sep 13 23:51:13] : Hand Start. [Sep 13 23:51:13] : Seat 2 : tiger46 has $53.66 [Sep 13 23:51:13] : Seat 4 : stokedgecko has $140.10 [Sep 13 23:51:13] : Seat 5 : ua1176 has $94.80 [Sep 13 23:51:13] : tiger46 is the dealer. [Sep 13 23:51:14] : stokedgecko posted small blind. [Sep 13 23:51:14] : ua1176 posted big blind. [Sep 13 23:51:14] : Game [57550] started with 3 players. [Sep 13 23:51:14] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Sep 13 23:51:14] : Seat 4 : stokedgecko has Kh Kc [Sep 13 23:51:17] : tiger46 called $0.50 and raised $1 [Sep 13 23:51:19] : stokedgecko called $1.25 [Sep 13 23:51:21] : ua1176 called $1 and raised $5 [Sep 13 23:51:23] : tiger46 called $5 [Sep 13 23:51:26] : stokedgecko called $5 [Sep 13 23:51:26] : Dealing flop. [Sep 13 23:51:26] : Board cards [2s 8h Th] [Sep 13 23:51:29] : stokedgecko checked. [Sep 13 23:51:31] : ua1176 bet $14 [Sep 13 23:51:34] : tiger46 called $14 [Sep 13 23:52:15] : stokedgecko called $14 [Sep 13 23:52:15] : Dealing turn. [Sep 13 23:52:15] : Board cards [2s 8h Th 8c] [Sep 13 23:52:17] : stokedgecko checked. [Sep 13 23:52:18] : ua1176 checked. [Sep 13 23:52:21] : tiger46 checked. [Sep 13 23:52:22] : Dealing river. [Sep 13 23:52:22] : Board cards [2s 8h Th 8c 5d] [Sep 13 23:52:27] : stokedgecko bet $25 [Sep 13 23:52:29] : ua1176 folded. [Sep 13 23:52:13] : tiger46 folded. [Sep 13 23:52:14] : stokedgecko wins $60.50 as the last player standing [Sep 13 23:52:16] : Hand is over. "

9/14/2006 12:03:54 AM

you set a trap then aborted when he did exactly what you wanted him to do. raise the flop, you cant give free cards like that to the likely drawing hand(tiger46).. prolly up to around $45

definately gotta bet the turn. ua1176 prolly has AK or AQ and is done with the hand after taking his stab on the flop, tiger is prolly still drawing.. bet them out

you just gotta deal with the variance of a TA style in a shorthanded game, playing this passively was bad for two reasons:

1) you were very lucky to have your hand hold up against two opponents who each got two free cards.
2) you may have missed out on some value if either one was willing to call a raise on the flop. value bet when your kings are probably good(rag flop), not when you're unimproved at the river. I like the trapping call preflop but never gave yourself a chance to bust either of them.






also,

Quote :

"[Sep 13 23:51:21] : ua1176 called $1 and raised $5 "

You shoulda called him on the string bet

9/14/2006 1:02:25 AM

damn, what a tear the last hours been.

sit down with 50 at a NL table with three stacks of 100 (max). two guys who probably play higher limits that were throwing chips in left and right (bet 20 into a $2 pot, etc...). catch one of em on a bluff, then the other on a A high flush to his K high. stacked both of them. then the third stack, just completely got creamed by my nut straights, trips, and then a flush to finish him off. 50 to 350 in an hour.

9/14/2006 2:05:56 AM

I still think you bungled the KK hand. Congrats on the good session afterwards though, sometimes it just all goes right.


What site was that hand history you posted? I didn't recognize it.

9/14/2006 2:50:02 AM

I pretty much agree with everything noid said. With that much action preflop I may have 3 bet to try to get heads up or hope that the reraiser will push all in preflop with some garbage like AK.

9/14/2006 8:18:34 AM

I like calling there sometimes.. three betting it will tip your hand to any decent player


If you raise a rag flop with a disguised KK you will sometimes get action you wouldnt normally get from JJ/QQ or top pair

9/14/2006 10:34:37 AM

I usually call too, but sometimes when I make I reraise I get some crazy mofo going all in like 10X the pot.

9/14/2006 11:00:13 AM

Twas on the bottom of the last page so figure I'll repost it...

Ok, ub is pissing me off b/c I can't seem to get a stt going for more than $20. What's the best place to play a 10 person stt? I love ub's structure but it just takes too long for the $100 stt to fill up.

9/14/2006 6:58:20 PM

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! party poker




[Edited on September 14, 2006 at 7:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2006 7:00:55 PM

Blind structure sucks for stt on party....next

timv112 posts the small blind of 50.
hometeamaepi posts the big blind of 100.

hometeamaepi: -- --
lefteye1: -- --
david0603: Kh Ks
karini77: -- --
PJAce: -- --
ricky1030: -- --
timv112: -- --

Pre-flop:

lefteye1 folds. david0603 calls. karini77 goes
all-in for 840. PJAce folds. ricky1030 folds.
timv112 folds. hometeamaepi calls. david0603 goes
all-in for 4455. hometeamaepi goes all-in for 2550.
david0603 is returned 1905 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

hometeamaepi shows Qh As.
david0603 shows Kh Ks.
karini77 shows Js Ad.


Flop (board: Kc 9s 7c):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: Kc 9s 7c 7h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Kc 9s 7c 7h 7d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

hometeamaepi has As Kc 7c 7h 7d: three sevens.
david0603 has Kh Ks Kc 7c 7h: full house, kings full of sevens.
karini77 has Ad Kc 7c 7h 7d: three sevens.

9/14/2006 7:45:49 PM

Awesome...


PJAce posts the small blind of 75.
ricky1030 posts the big blind of 150.

lefteye1: -- --
david0603: 4d 4s
PJAce: -- --
ricky1030: -- --
timv112: -- --

Pre-flop:

timv112 folds. lefteye1 folds. david0603 raises to
500. PJAce calls. ricky1030 folds.

Flop (board: Ac 4c Td):

PJAce bets 625. david0603 raises to 3025. PJAce
goes all-in for 2870. david0603 is returned 155
(uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

david0603 shows 4d 4s.
PJAce shows Qd As.


Turn (board: Ac 4c Td Jh):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Ac 4c Td Jh Ks):

(no action in this round)

9/14/2006 7:50:09 PM

well played sir, well played

timv112 posts the small blind of 100.
david0603 posts the big blind of 200.

david0603: Ks Kd
PJAce: -- --
timv112: -- --

Pre-flop:

PJAce folds. timv112 calls. david0603 raises to
600. timv112 re-raises to 1800. david0603 goes
all-in for 5380. timv112 goes all-in for 2270.
david0603 is returned 3110 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

david0603 shows Ks Kd.
timv112 shows Qc 9d.


Flop (board: 6d 7h As):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 6d 7h As 2s):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 6d 7h As 2s 4d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

david0603 has Ks Kd 6d 7h As: a pair of kings.
timv112 has Qc 9d 6d 7h As: ace high.

9/14/2006 8:02:09 PM

Was already bitching, when I saw the J hit, then even more when the 3 hit. And didnt even notice I hit my flush. I mean, what the hell, calling rereraises with 33?

Table Regular(828821) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TFranz ( 5433 )
Seat 2: Bigbearman2 ( 4862 )
Seat 4: KidPsycho ( 2840 )
Seat 6: FBINA114 ( 2335 )
Seat 7: GldenKnght ( 2682 )
Seat 8: JAAAB ( 3440 )
Seat 9: nhblack ( 5597 )
Seat 10: PITTASx ( 4295 )
Seat 5: SinnaRajah ( 4638 )
Seat 3: joffej ( 3690 )
Trny:28729160 Level:3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KidPsycho [ Ac As ]
joffej raises [200].
KidPsycho raises [1000].
SinnaRajah folds.
FBINA114 folds.
GldenKnght folds.
JAAAB folds.
nhblack folds.
PITTASx raises [1800].
TFranz folds.
Bigbearman2 folds.
joffej calls [1600].
KidPsycho is all-In [1840]
PITTASx raises [2080].
joffej is all-In [1890]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 5d, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
PITTASx shows [ Jd, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
joffej shows [ 3c, 3h ] three of a kind, threes.
KidPsycho shows [ Ac, As ] a flush, ace high.
PITTASx wins 190 chips from side pot #2 with three of a kind, jacks.
PITTASx wins 1700 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
KidPsycho wins 8670 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
Player joffej finished in 843 place

9/14/2006 9:22:21 PM

noid thanks for the input. the HH is from http://www.betus.com I got a betting guide in the mail and saw they had a 100% deposit bonus up to 500 so i deposited 300, working it off now (upto 600 in two nights). its a skin of golden palace poker.

9/14/2006 9:44:07 PM

Nothing like trippling up with the nuts...

Full Tilt Poker Game #1001620707: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (6772383), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:50:28 ET - 2006/09/14
Seat 1: tomloes (1,470)
Seat 2: InfamousDrX (1,560)
Seat 3: segard (1,470)
Seat 4: supersurfdog (1,230)
Seat 5: ILuVJM66 (1,830)
Seat 6: jaycee4927 (1,470)
Seat 7: cMegalodon (1,500)
Seat 8: Boatontheturn (1,470)
Seat 9: SquirtyBottoms (1,500)
segard posts the small blind of 15
supersurfdog posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tomloes [Ac Kc]
ILuVJM66 raises to 115
jaycee4927 folds
cMegalodon folds
Boatontheturn calls 115
SquirtyBottoms folds
tomloes calls 115
InfamousDrX folds
segard folds
supersurfdog folds
*** FLOP *** [9s Ks Ad]
ILuVJM66 checks
Boatontheturn checks
tomloes checks
*** TURN *** [9s Ks Ad] [8s]
ILuVJM66 checks
Boatontheturn checks
tomloes bets 180
ILuVJM66 calls 180
Boatontheturn calls 180
*** RIVER *** [9s Ks Ad 8s] [As]
ILuVJM66 checks
Boatontheturn bets 930
tomloes raises to 1,175, and is all in
ILuVJM66 has 15 seconds left to act
ILuVJM66 calls 1,175
Boatontheturn calls 245, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tomloes shows [Ac Kc] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
tomloes: nuts
ILuVJM66 mucks
Boatontheturn mucks
tomloes wins the pot (4,455) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Boatontheturn stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,455 | Rake 0
Board: [9s Ks Ad 8s As]
Seat 1: tomloes showed [Ac Kc] and won (4,455) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: InfamousDrX (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: segard (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: supersurfdog (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: ILuVJM66 mucked [Td Ts] - a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: jaycee4927 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: cMegalodon didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Boatontheturn mucked [5s Ah] - a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: SquirtyBottoms didn't bet (folded)

9/14/2006 9:53:56 PM

Quote :

"noid thanks for the input. the HH is from http://www.betus.com I got a betting guide in the mail and saw they had a 100% deposit bonus up to 500 so i deposited 300, working it off now (upto 600 in two nights). its a skin of golden palace poker. "

Is that BetOnUSA??? I got something even better awhile back from them if so. $50 free in their sportsbook. Couldn't cash out the 50 till you wagered it 10 times, or something insane, but for soem reason, the profit from bets could be taken to their poker part and bet at will, ended up running that up to 450 and cashing out because their fucking tables are so damn annoying to play at with that HUGE graphic on the table.

9/14/2006 10:09:23 PM

not the same but nonetheless interesting story.

9/15/2006 7:03:18 AM

Nice hero call there, buddy



Hand 1006342520, Started at 9/15/2006 8:42 PM
Table 'Ibiza': $2-$2 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 1: oh deer ($209.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Yellow&Blue ($137 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 4: slipnuts ($226 in chips)
Seat 7: z00mi ($247.40 in chips)
Seat 9: bboy789 ($18.80 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to slipnuts: 5h
Dealt to slipnuts: Kh
slipnuts : Post Blind ($1)
z00mi : Post Blind ($2)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
bboy789 : Fold
oh deer : Call ($2)
Yellow&Blue : Fold
slipnuts : Call ($1)
z00mi : Check
*** Flop *** : Jh Jc 2h
slipnuts : Check
z00mi : Bet ($5)
oh deer : Fold
slipnuts : Raise ($15)
z00mi : Call ($10)
*** Turn *** : [ Jh Jc 2h ] 4d
slipnuts : Bet ($28)
z00mi : Call ($28)
*** River *** : [ Jh Jc 2h 4d ] As
slipnuts : Bet ($65)
z00mi : Call ($65)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $219 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Jh Jc 2h 4d As Jh Jc 2h 4d As ]
oh deer lost $2
Yellow&Blue lost $0
slipnuts lost $110 Shows [ 5h Kh ] (a pair of Jacks)
z00mi bet $110, collected $219, net $109 Shows [ 3c 3d ] (two pairs, Jacks and threes)
bboy789 lost $0



I've had a lot of success with third barrel bluffs like this now that I've moved up to 1/2nl. I had him pegged on a pocket pair between 33-1010 and I felt like the ace was a good card for me in that respect. I feel that I've gotten more adept at pouncing on weakness in spots like these, but wow, I seem to have misjudged my opponent in this particular hand. ghey

9/15/2006 9:10:50 PM

Still waiting on a site with good blind structure for 10 person stt.

Too bad you didn't have the A high flush draw.

9/16/2006 12:04:30 PM

I dunno if this has ever been addressed on here. How do you react to a minimum raise? I am discussing mainly tournament play, but cash game theory is welcome here too. This happens all the time and frankly, it is quite annoying.

Personally, if I am last to act and the blinds are less than 5% of my total stack size, I am usually compelled to call. This is of course assuming I am in late position and I am already in the pot. So I basically guess I can restrict the question even further to being, if you are in the big blind and are facing the minimum raise and are either last to act and very close, what do you do? This seems to happen all the time at some tables. Of course, I NEVER raise the minimum amount, and I feel a straight call is usually a weak play, but my school of thinking is this:

One, the guy is a douche and likes to min raise a lot. In this case, I call with just about any two cards and either bet the flop, or let him bet the flop and then reraise him. I would say at least 80% of the time the guy will fold after my raise/reraise, and about 10% more will fold after a decent bet on the turn. After that I pretty much call the hand a wash and let it go.

Two, the guy is playing something really good.... AA, KK, AKish.... In this case I am getting great implied odds because if he has a big pocket pair, he is not folding after the flop. So if I hit something, I have his stack, otherwise it's an easy fold.

9/17/2006 1:29:39 AM

I see a lot of the latter. Some guy raises min utg with a monster. He doesn't want to scare anyone out but at the same time he wants to bump up the pot a little. Min raise is always a shitty play unless you are begging for a reraise, but I too see it often. If I'm already in the pot I'll pretty much always call assuming I'm not big blind with 2-7 off or something of that nature. I see the same people do this and follow it up by a min bet on the flop and usually the turn, then they get pissed off when I call down and hit trips because I am getting 9-1 pot odds with my bottom pair. I also like to reraise a lot on the turn in that case as you stated in scenario #1.

9/17/2006 1:56:36 AM

From my experience, the min raise early to mid in a tourney usually means a big hand. Its almost always some idiot who thinks he is being sly and getting more money into the pot when he has AA or KK, and has no way to lose no matter what comes. Its pretty easy to spot these people because if they are out of position and someone bets before them after the flop, they almost always move all in no matter what their stack is or what is in the pot. However, deeper into tourneys, I have found its just a way for people to see where they stand with an average or above average hand. As far as cash games, I only play limit right now, and this analysis is almost useless in limit.

9/17/2006 2:05:11 AM

Quote :

"***** Hand History for Game 5195992930 ***** 0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Mon Sep 18 05:41:09 EDT 2006 Table Table 96082 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 7 Seat 1: BlackTucker ( $17.25) Seat 2: unflinching ( $69.35) Seat 3: kissbert ( $86.57) Seat 5: interestedp ( $58.95) Seat 6: keeter8 ( $142.18) Seat 7: mrc547 ( $47.70) Seat 9: BOClAN ( $92.36) mrc547 posts small blind (0.25) BOClAN posts big blind (0.50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to keeter8 [ Kc, 6c, 6s, 5c ] BlackTucker calls (0.50) unflinching calls (0.50) kissbert calls (0.50) interestedp calls (0.50) keeter8 calls (0.50) mrc547 calls (0.25) BOClAN checks. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9c, 8c, 7c ] mrc547 checks. BOClAN checks. BlackTucker checks. unflinching checks. kissbert checks. interestedp checks. keeter8 checks. ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ] mrc547 checks. BOClAN checks. BlackTucker checks. unflinching bets (2.35) kissbert folds. interestedp folds. keeter8 calls (2.35) mrc547 folds. BOClAN folds. BlackTucker folds. ** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ] unflinching bets (7.80) keeter8 raises (31.20) to 31.20 unflinching raises (58.70) to 66.50 unflinching is all-In. keeter8 calls (35.30) Creating Main Pot with $138.20 with unflinching ** Summary ** Main Pot: $138.20 | | Rake: $3 Board: [ 9c 8c 7c 4h 4s ] BlackTucker balance $16.75, lost $0.50 (folded) unflinching balance $0, lost $69.35 [ 7h 9d 9s 4d ] [ a full house, Nines full of fours -- 9d,9s,9c,4h,4s ] kissbert balance $86.07, lost $0.50 (folded) interestedp balance $58.45, lost $0.50 (folded) keeter8 balance $211.03, bet $69.35, collected $138.20, net +$68.85 [ Kc 6c 6s 5c ] [ a straight flush, nine high -- 9c,8c,7c,6c,5c ] mrc547 balance $47.20, lost $0.50 (folded) BOClAN balance $91.86, lost $0.50 (folded)"

9/18/2006 5:47:12 AM

What a retard. He had the 5th best possible hand.

9/18/2006 7:45:13 AM

4th best possible hand? only 3 combinations of straight flush could beat nut boat, no quad quads possible. would've been tough laydown anyhow.

9/18/2006 4:11:00 PM

Quote :

"What a retard. He had the 5th best possible hand."

but in plo hi,

youre still going broke there.

nut peddler

9/18/2006 4:14:32 PM

I was playing with 4 buddies a couple of months ago and I had a pair of 7s. I kept raising the pot so I could get out and go home. 3 of the others folded and then the last one folded. I won with a pair of 7s while the last guy who folded had 3 Aces and 2 kings.

9/18/2006 4:15:14 PM

riiiiiiight

9/18/2006 4:17:22 PM

Quote :

"4th best possible hand"

Oh, like that's any better. It's like calling with a J high flush on a non paired board.

9/18/2006 5:42:06 PM

^you would have laid down the nut full house? concede that your opponent has a straight flush?

9/18/2006 5:58:09 PM

No, but I would have saved myself half my stack by just calling the reraise.

9/18/2006 6:13:43 PM

and you would be missing out on value in the long run, a worse full house will call you more often than a straight flush or quads

9/18/2006 9:25:33 PM

of course someone's going to slowplay a mega monster hand on flop. i see this all the time when the flop trips and i have AA. multi-handed, the majority of the time, someone's hit quads. i bet the flop to see who calls, and play accordingly.

when you hit top set with mid pair on flop, and then river second set, it's hard not to get excited about your hand. i'm not saying it was a good play, nor a bad play, but that's just the mindset i think the losing player was going thru. you just get caught up in the moment until reality bites you in the ass. happens all the time with quads vs straight flush.

for the record, i suck at poker, so i don't mean to act like the stuart ungar of poker. just thought i could contribute.

9/18/2006 11:56:16 PM

Quote :

"but in plo hi, youre still going broke there. "

Quote :

"and you would be missing out on value in the long run, a worse full house will call you more often than a straight flush or quads "

and for the assist...

9/19/2006 6:57:15 AM

I forget, who got first in the tww omaha tournament?

9/19/2006 7:15:42 AM

small sample size.


but plo by nature is one of the highest variance games in poker. oddly enough, even moreso than stud.

by not taking advantage of the hands that will pay you off here, you are losing value.

playing this way increases your sigma dramatically, but, creates higher win rates for those that do.


you can nut peddle and make 3bb/100, or push marginal edges and make 15bb/100.

sure you could play higher with a sustained rate of 4bb/100 due to a lower br requirement on a smaler variance game style, but you could actually play lower and still have a higher $/hr with the higher bb/100 ratio, obv.


the higher you play, the less likely that nut peddling is going to garner a win rate anyways.

9/19/2006 8:08:16 AM

do any sites accept cash in the mail?

9/19/2006 8:18:30 AM

Is the same standard of profit, "bb/100", used for nl as well?

9/19/2006 8:18:37 AM

yes. in limit your true win rate is established by a big bets / 100 hands scenario, where as in NL its actually big blinds..

its just a means of attempting to figure your flat line earnings potential after you have completed a very large sample size of play.

for LHE, its like 50,000 recorded hands. nlhe may be 40k.

plo, probably 60k and plo8 probably 25k. each game has a different standard deviation, hence needing different levels of statistical data in order to feel comfortable with your outcome.


now, many argue that a true win rate cant be established with less than ~120k hands docutmented in pokertracker or some other proprietary db collection piece, but thats just for a higher degree of confidence in your outcome.

i kinda feel like if you play that many hands than your game has progressed as you have played and your true rate is the rate youd get at the last 40k or so... but thats neither here nor there..




(and obv, bb/100 can be transcribed into $/hr, but the math is pretty simple)

[Edited on September 19, 2006 at 8:29 AM. Reason : e]

9/19/2006 8:28:13 AM

Yeah, I prefer the $/hr. Not too impressive if you are making $15bb/hour if you are playing nickel dime games...

9/19/2006 9:01:25 AM

realisticaly, if you are only about playing well,

the bb/100 should be the only thing you care about.

$/hr rates only get you into a short term results oriented mindset.

9/19/2006 9:10:12 AM

I would rather make money than play well.

Not sure what you meant by your second comment.

9/19/2006 9:36:16 AM

theoretical question then,

would you rather stick your stack in getting 1.3:1 on a 75% lock

or

getting 5:1 on a 25% lock?


what youre saying is taht youd rather do the 1.3:1 since you are more concerned about $/hr than maximizing value. varaince is lower, much higher chance of actually winning.

which one is actually playing well?

9/19/2006 11:03:04 AM

Quote :

"the bb/100 should be the only thing you care about. $/hr rates only get you into a short term results oriented mindset."

but earlier you said

Quote :

"and obv, bb/100 can be transcribed into $/hr"

So if that's the case then what's wrong with tracking $/hr vs bb?

9/19/2006 11:13:41 AM